Deposits & E-Transfers
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I actually just tweeted about this! https://twitter.com/EmmyStClaire/status/1041769967421538304
A few other thoughts on the matter:
When people say “well no-shows and cancellations are just the cost of doing business!” I think we are giving permission (to others AND to ourselves) to be flakey and disrespectful. We’re saying it’s acceptable for people to treat self-employed folks like some kind of personal toy that they can set aside for themselves and then use only if and when they feel like it. That’s an incredibly selfish and mean way of treating another human being, in my opinion. Especially when they know that person is turning down other PAID engagements to have reserved their time. It really blows my mind that people think it’s acceptable to do this and to not offer any compensation whatsoever.
Just last week I had to last-minute cancel an appt at a Medi-Spa because something important came up. I paid a 250 dollar cancellation fee for having preventing them from earning any income during that time. I have no problem with this! I was the one who reserved their time and I should take responsibility; that is just the right thing to do!
And for those who say “Well escorts cancel too!!!”, I think it’s pretty clear that these two things are not even remotely similar. If a gent gets cancelled on, he walks away with his pocket full of money, and a (Leo)list full of HUNDREDS of other options for entertainment. When a lady gets cancelled on, she loses her ability to earn income that she needs to survive. Oftentimes she not only loses the potential income, but has also had to pay for an incall rental, taxi fare, babysitter, etc. And then she often has to cancel her own personal/professional/family obligations in order to try and book someone else last-minute and attempt to re-coup the lost money.
A few other thoughts on the matter:
When people say “well no-shows and cancellations are just the cost of doing business!” I think we are giving permission (to others AND to ourselves) to be flakey and disrespectful. We’re saying it’s acceptable for people to treat self-employed folks like some kind of personal toy that they can set aside for themselves and then use only if and when they feel like it. That’s an incredibly selfish and mean way of treating another human being, in my opinion. Especially when they know that person is turning down other PAID engagements to have reserved their time. It really blows my mind that people think it’s acceptable to do this and to not offer any compensation whatsoever.
Just last week I had to last-minute cancel an appt at a Medi-Spa because something important came up. I paid a 250 dollar cancellation fee for having preventing them from earning any income during that time. I have no problem with this! I was the one who reserved their time and I should take responsibility; that is just the right thing to do!
And for those who say “Well escorts cancel too!!!”, I think it’s pretty clear that these two things are not even remotely similar. If a gent gets cancelled on, he walks away with his pocket full of money, and a (Leo)list full of HUNDREDS of other options for entertainment. When a lady gets cancelled on, she loses her ability to earn income that she needs to survive. Oftentimes she not only loses the potential income, but has also had to pay for an incall rental, taxi fare, babysitter, etc. And then she often has to cancel her own personal/professional/family obligations in order to try and book someone else last-minute and attempt to re-coup the lost money.
I agree it is incredibly rude to no show or cancel last minute etc. It is a problem and if a low volume SP books 3 - 4 dates a week and all four cancel, she is still up for the costs of incall etc. It is bad for her and the guy will end up on a black list deservedly so.
I do wish that SP would recognize that the pooner's time is also valuable.
I recall a summer 2 - 3 years ago, I had three cancelations in three weeks. Losing four hours of productive work time in three consecutive weeks does effect self employed people. It's next to impossible to find a suitable replacement last minute in my experience. So I end up booking a replacement the next day which doubles my non productivity.
The last minute "cat got sick", "Aunt Flo showed up", "My mom showed up unexpectedly" or worse just Ghosting us once outside the incall seem to be OK with some SP.
Mutual respect seems to be a one way process it seems.
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It might just come down to budgeting.
For example, in seasons outside of the summer most pool cleaners have budgeted money away in case of a slow season / dry spell of work.
I personally think that if an SP adds $40 (for example if you charge $300/hr, put $40 away. After ten successful dates, you’ll have $400) from every date into a safety fund, then that can minimize the risk of a no show with a bit of extra stipend on hand.
I can understand the no show rate being very high in a city youre not from but if you implement this strategy at home base it could very much help minimize the effects of a no show. I actually learned of this method / strategy from another SW that isn’t on this board.
For example, in seasons outside of the summer most pool cleaners have budgeted money away in case of a slow season / dry spell of work.
I personally think that if an SP adds $40 (for example if you charge $300/hr, put $40 away. After ten successful dates, you’ll have $400) from every date into a safety fund, then that can minimize the risk of a no show with a bit of extra stipend on hand.
I can understand the no show rate being very high in a city youre not from but if you implement this strategy at home base it could very much help minimize the effects of a no show. I actually learned of this method / strategy from another SW that isn’t on this board.
“now PayPal is banning people for life and holding individuals' funds, ignorant of the facts and marching lockstep to the tune of 8chan trolls enacting a campaign to punish "whores."”
Apples and oranges dude. Those people were selling premium snap chats and twitter porn. It had a big paper trail and you could find out what was going on woth just one visit to their twitter profile. Also those accounts were set up as goods and services. As I said before. DO NOT SET UP A BUSINESS PAYPAL!
“Capitalizing on entrenched and easily exploitable anti-sex policies by internet giant payment processors and a new internet sex panic ushered in by FOSTA, 8chan trolls have started a campaign to mass-report attractive women who make ASMR videos.”
Stay off 8chan Ladies!
Stay off 8chan Ladies!
I am self-employed too, so I value my time as much as you do. When I decide to spend time with a SP I pre-book and I know that is time that I will not be working on my business. I pre-book because I have my own personal/professional/family obligations that I have to deal with before a session. And yes, if I have a last minute cancelation it will have a financial impact on me even if I don't spend the money that I had for the session. The money used for other things that I had to take care before the session its not there anymore. Finding a different provider is not as simple as opening LL and choosing a new one. Like you said, it takes time to get ready, and for a client it might take time to go to a different location, time that we might not have anymore. Its not that simple.
I understand both sides and I do compensate the SP if I have a last minute cancelation, but generalizing the client side as if our time is not as valuable as yours is not fair.
With all due respect, booking ladies is a choice for you. A fun hobby that you can choose to do for your own entertainment. It's quite literally the exact opposite of what it is for providers (fun hobby vs. job to put food on the table) I'm not saying I think it's at all okay for ladies to bail on you with no excuse, but I really don't think that your situation here is remotely comparable to ours.
There are so many ladies out there who are super respectful (I give a significant discount if I have to cancel with less than 24 hours notice, for example), and you gents have the amazing resource of having literally THOUSANDS upon thousands of detailed reviews to help you make an informed choice. What's more, if a lady is unprofessional toward you, you can easily post a permanent online review that will let everyone know. Meanwhile us providers have little to no recourse when someone bails on us. The client will just reset his anonymous texting app and keep doing it to us over and over again.
I certainly don't mean to sound like I don't value client's time and I hope it doesn't sound like that (you can note on my website that I offer a HUGE discount in the event that I have to cancel. I really care about mutual respect for my clients) I definitely appreciate your situation, but I think the net result of both situations is very different, in the vast majority of cases. I can't imagine that most clients are turning down hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth of business to see an escort. Presumably most clients are booking escorts in their free time, and not blocking off a huge chunk of their day to take off without pay, PLUS incurring additional costs like incall rental and babysitting. If by chance he really is in such a position, he has the benefit of thousands of reviews to help him make an informed decision.
The other thing is, as I mentioned in my comment in the above thread, is that you don't have to be taking this gamble; it's a choice for you guys to be participating in this hobby. If it's a big risk to you to potentially lose a lot of money, you guys have the option to just spend your discretionary income on another hobby that you enjoy.
That is really awesome to hear and I wish everyone else could be as respectful as you :love_heart:
I thank you Emmy for your many very well spoken points.
I also do know many clients have SO and do leave during work hours..
I also do know many clients have SO and do leave during work hours..
Anyhow, I am glad to see that at least some gents are open to sending discreet deposits. I know there are so many wonderful men out there, and it’s great that they are eager to assure us beforehand that they are respectful and responsible.
It’s been so bad in Vancouver lately that I know ladies who are up to their neck in stress at finding alternate sources of wage earning to make up for all their lost income through no-shows.
(If you’re wondering why I have the time to write all this, it’s because I’m sitting at home after literally just being no-showed for what feels like the zillionth time in a row. Oof!)
Personally I’m really excited for the direction that deposits are taking, not just in the escort world, but in general. It’s terrible that anyone should have to feel like their ability to earn a living is a gamble. I’m seeing it more and more at salons, restaurants, medical offices, etc. etc. I think it’s a great step toward all being more respectful of one another
It’s been so bad in Vancouver lately that I know ladies who are up to their neck in stress at finding alternate sources of wage earning to make up for all their lost income through no-shows.
(If you’re wondering why I have the time to write all this, it’s because I’m sitting at home after literally just being no-showed for what feels like the zillionth time in a row. Oof!)
Personally I’m really excited for the direction that deposits are taking, not just in the escort world, but in general. It’s terrible that anyone should have to feel like their ability to earn a living is a gamble. I’m seeing it more and more at salons, restaurants, medical offices, etc. etc. I think it’s a great step toward all being more respectful of one another
It’s getting harder and harder to “get by” for everyone and now with ad scammers being a new career... sorry I ended that with sarcasm but it’s them, the whole reason we’re talking about this to begin with being mostly dishonest people. If people could only be real!
I saw your tweet today and I agree. I don't have any problem with a deposit as it secures my time and shows the lady I'm sincere and already comfortable with her. In my travels I've had to show picture ID as well to pass screening. It's never come back on me, and a provider that knows you will show is a more comfortable person, and usually a better time is had by all.
You and I have never met and for the record, I have visited many ladies in this industry over the years and I have NEVER - EVER cancelled, or bailed the last minute!!
I very much realize the work and effort you ladies put in for us, and I think It's spineless for ones who bail / cancel last minute. Infinite thumbs down for that.
Remember, there are plenty of trustworthy guys left who can still be trusted
I very much realize the work and effort you ladies put in for us, and I think It's spineless for ones who bail / cancel last minute. Infinite thumbs down for that.
Remember, there are plenty of trustworthy guys left who can still be trusted
To me it depends on how large the deposit and how's the S/P review here. I have given deposit before and it turn out bad. It was for a duo but when i arrive only for 5mins the S/O pretty said she he a family emergency and had to rebook. That never happen.
Please don't "Not all men..."
We know that. We appreciate that. Really.
What all the providers here are trying to get across is that it is a HUGE problem here in Vancouver. It is at epidemic levels. It can happen multiple times in a day! There is nothing more infuriating than being asked to arrange for a hotel room in Vancouver for an out of town client during cruise ship season, paying $400 a night, & getting a "so sorry but..." message from that erstwhile "good client" at 6 am the day of the booking. Is it unreasonable to ask that if you want to book a $300 appointment in a $400/night hotel that you send a $50 deposit? I don't think so.
