Deposits & E-Transfers

[Equity Market investor]

What you wrote below, many of us guys here are very well aware of. Over the years I've read many providers say the exact same thing as you. Different statements...just from different past faces. Its a revolving circle.

My comment was stating the obvious --- hence my the last comment. Not EVERY guy ( meaning 100% ) , just plenty of guys. Many of us don't want to be painted by the same brush. Just saying.

Again....I understand that's its a " hair pulling, throw the tv at the wall " situation when they bail on you ladies. It sucks and a major cost blow for the ladies. And NO....its not wrong to ask for a deposit. Your business, your decision. I was stating something in general.

Please don't "Not all men..."
We know that. We appreciate that. Really.

What all the providers here are trying to get across is that it is a HUGE problem here in Vancouver. It is at epidemic levels. It can happen multiple times in a day! There is nothing more infuriating than being asked to arrange for a hotel room in Vancouver for an out of town client during cruise ship season, paying $400 a night, & getting a "so sorry but..." message from that erstwhile "good client" at 6 am the day of the booking. Is it unreasonable to ask that if you want to book a $300 appointment in a $400/night hotel that you send a $50 deposit? I don't think so.

 

[badbadboy]

I would venture to guess the majority of guys posting in this thread are familiar with and are supportive of deposits.

The problem as I understand it is - Cancellations. I've heard this from numerous sources that it is rampant and the worst in recent history. It can certainly put a dent in required income if several dates are cancelled without much notice.

I can't see SP's requesting deposits from regulars but certainly would understand deposits may be necessary if someone new popped up without suitable references.

I usually provide deposits to visiting SP's for multi hour dates. It just makes financial sense to the SP and it allows me to carry a lot less cash.

 

[Equity Market investor]

Well said layball:

I would venture to guess the majority of guys posting in this thread are familiar with and are supportive of deposits.

The problem as I understand it is - Cancellations. I've heard this from numerous sources that it is rampant and the worst in recent history. It can certainly put a dent in required income if several dates are cancelled without much notice.

I can't see SP's requesting deposits from regulars but certainly would understand deposits may be necessary if someone new popped up without suitable references.

I usually provide deposits to visiting SP's for multi hour dates. It just makes financial sense to the SP and it allows me to carry a lot less cash.

 

[westwoody]

it is rampant and the worst in recent history.

I already posted about a great lady who won't visit Winnipeg anymore after having five no call/no shows in one day.
Another told me how a local girl chatted with her, asked about her hotel etc. An hour later she got kicked out and banned from the hotel. Heard exact same story from a different lady. Sadly an increasing number of subsistence workers see others as rivals. They legitimise this as defending their turf.

I have no issue with deposits for well regarded ladies with a "brand".
No way I would pay a deposit for an unknown off leo's, that is common sense.
For ladies I know and trust, paying in advance avoids the awkward cash transaction and enhances the illusion of dating.
It doesn't always work out perfect but any problems have always worked out eventually.

 

[spongemike]

Is like in the construction/renovation industry. You want some work done you are going to pay the deposit. Once the work is done and everything is good then you pay the rest.
Happens with pre-sale housing as well.

 

[overdone]

And for those who say “Well escorts cancel too!!!”, I think it’s pretty clear that these two things are not even remotely similar. If a gent gets cancelled on, he walks away with his pocket full of money

I've been cancelled on at the door, while I'm parking, while I'm driving to the location, an hour before, been ghosted when booking weeks in advance, days in advanced, booked ahead day or so, multiple times, then never given a location to go to, lol

so, doesn't affect us?

if I gave deposits to all these women, you think I would have gotten my money back? lol

cause I don't

just like I can't count how many times I've been told

I'll make it up to you, when I do get shafted, the count it's still 0 :yawn:

the ones who did, didn't say they would, they just did :amen:

and these were all "so called" reliable ladies who adv't on boards

my time is worth nothing, my gas, vehicle wear, lol

and by the way, I couldn't care less about getting cancelled on, even at the door, you just roll with it

and the guy who says construction takes deposits, yeah and the industry is full of shysters, or have you never seen a Holmes show? lol

my dentist doesn't ask for a deposit, plenty of businesses don't

hardly any do

I think references, a handle, should be enough

last min cancellations, sure, then ask for a cancellation fee if he wants to try to book again, otherwise punt him

 

[Vpete]

I have no issue with being asked for a deposit. That being said there are arguments for both sides. Fact is the market will decide just like rates. If people want to play, they will pay if that’s what’s required.

 

[felixthecat]

The client will just reset his anonymous texting app and keep doing it to us over and over again.

And that's exactly why many SPs won't accept a contact from an app number. A very reasonable restriction, I think.

Booking by email poses a similar challenge. It could help to require a (non-app) phone number for a confirmation after booking by email.

my dentist doesn't ask for a deposit, plenty of businesses don't

hardly any do

I think references, a handle, should be enough

last min cancellations, sure, then ask for a cancellation fee if he wants to try to book again, otherwise punt him

A dentist is a great analogy. However, the key difference is that a dentist would charge a $100 or so cancellation fee wether the client comes again or not; then the dentist can send a bill, reminders, and send the debt to collectors.

It's not fair for SPs to only get compensation if the client rebooks, it also creates a risk of a reoffence and an incentive for clients not to rebook after missing an appointment.

Screening (references/handle) does not prevent late cancellations, though creates an ID for a followup.

Keeping the clients responsible after the fact would really help, for example:

• state in advance when a late cancellation fee would apply;
• prefer to get the cancellation fee before rebooking;
• actively share WOT lists with other SPs (unless the client pays the cancellation fee on time). Independent SPs are playing catchup here with agencies, which already keep WOT lists for multiple SPs without bothering clients.

There's a choice of methods really other than a deposit. Including, work on retaining reliable repeat/regular customers. It may sound obvious, but occasionally some SPs seem to miss it and cause themselves extra stress from unknowns.

For certain scenarios, like travelling SPs, deposits may be the most reasonable choice.

 

[427]

The Amazon gift card seems like the easiest & most discreet in my opinion .This Review reminded me of this post .
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?262865-SP-Reviews
Seems like an issue in Vancouver ?

 

[Denzel1]

Iv sent the whole amount to girls I trust..Not an issue after meeting the person one time..

 

[andyjones777]

Client here:

I'm sorry, but, I think it is perfectly reasonable for SPs to request deposits. In fact, I think it is good business practice. As others have mentioned, many other businesses require deposits, or have cancellation fees, etc.

"But how do I do it discreetly?"
Actually, it's very easy, and I do it often. Go to ANY store, buy a prepaid visa, take pictures of the card, and send it to the lady. Yes you pay a $6 service fee, but if you can't afford $6, get out of the hobby. I'm sorry.

Bank e-transfers, on the other hand, I would never do. They leave a trail and reveal some of your information. Whether you have an SO or not, still, if something comes up in the future, that trail may bite you in the ass.

I have sent ladies Amazon and Air Canada (and other) gift cards as well. I ALWAYS do it to an unlisted email address, not the one on their website. Plus, this only shows up as a gift card purchase on your bank statement, nothing suspicious whatsoever.

Emmy, good on you for taking deposits, and Priya, I encourage you to do the same. If a client won't see you because of a deposit, good, he doesn't deserve to see you anyways. Do you really want to be seeing that kind of client?

I should say that everything I have said above applies only to reputable independents. I would never send a deposit to some random I found on leolist. But, I don't do that anyways. I only see independents that have an active social media presence, their own professional website, come to perb, etc.

I should also mention that in my "civvie" life, I run my own business, so perhaps that's why I feel pretty strongly about this. Obviously people can (and will) disagree with me.

 

[johnnydepth]

I guess the issue is one of trust, and making smart decisions. For most ladies I would never give a deposit. Why? Take a look through L.L. and you have your answer. That said, most ladies I wouldn't waste my time booking an appointment. Now reputable ladies, well reviewed, that have been around for a while I don't see an issue. In this hobby you can't paint all the ladies with the same brush. If you are out there basement shopping for a bargain to try and save $50 or $100 and you get burned on a deposit, well no one to blame but yourself. If you can't figure out a legit ad from a fake one, move on to a new hobby or quit complaining about your poor experience.

 

[80watts]

Sorry but any type of system where you leave personal information about yourself is bad; in both the US and Canada. In the US, prostitution is mostly illegal. IN Canada its illegal for the man. Having a databank for pooners is a bad idea.
Vs security of the sex worker.
Big Brother is always watching, and so is his other Big Brother....

 

[Correct]

Sorry but any type of system where you leave personal information about yourself is bad; in both the US and Canada. In the US, prostitution is mostly illegal. IN Canada its illegal for the man. Having a databank for pooners is a bad idea.
Vs security of the sex worker.
Big Brother is always watching, and so is his other Big Brother....

Unfortunately some men either do not know this, or they have the mindset that it only happens to other people. By the time they learn the hard way, it's too late, they've already been caught. Sometimes sadly people don't use common sense and logic, they have to learn the hard way.
If you must send a deposit, buy a thank you card, put $50 cash in it, and send it by mail. Worst case scenario it gets lost, and you're only out $50, which is nothing compared to destroying your life.

 

[Mr Quim]

Sounds like Amazon Gift cards, are the easiest, and the most discreet options ?
Really isn't such a big Deal ?

Cheers

 

[pleasureprinciple]

Requesting an e transfer is too one sided for me. Just move on to someone who can treat me as at an equal risk to them. Not interested in anyone who puts their interests head and shoulders above the other person.

 

[Shanghai]

People can charge whatever they want and make their own rules, so opinions on the matter are a non-issue. Sure you can issue warnings on the ladies that scam guys, and they change their name and number and put up fake photos and life goes on. That’s part of the entertainment, the bumpy ride.

That said, as a customer who has lost count of the number of times “deposits” have been absconded with, ladies that looked and seemed trustworthy have helped themselves to household and car souvenirs, repeat visits that have earned trust but later betrayed it, that I view simply as the cost of doing business. It’s a case by case deal trying to estimate and mitigate risk on both sides of the fence.

Anyhoo... this thread of 7 pages, it’s good marketing. Kudos to “Hygge-sexual” Emmy St. Claire (Love the belly button) and Pretty Priya for that.