Long article but worth a read
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/08/yes-it-could-happen-again/373465/
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/08/yes-it-could-happen-again/373465/
World War III.....
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don't really think so
not because people don't want to kill each other, they do, in fact,
but because of technology the level of destruction would be so great,
the question would be, was it worth it, will any one survive,
can we actually be so stupid to destroy most of the planet,
and the answer is yes,
but lets not do it in my life time thankyou very much
not because people don't want to kill each other, they do, in fact,
but because of technology the level of destruction would be so great,
the question would be, was it worth it, will any one survive,
can we actually be so stupid to destroy most of the planet,
and the answer is yes,
but lets not do it in my life time thankyou very much
There will be no direct war by great powers confronting each other. It'll be at worst a proxy war with limited nukes. It'll probably take the devastation of a smaller nation - like the Ukraine or N.Korea or Japan, to stop the escalation - and that's what everyone will expect to do if war was under way.
What has happened in the last 20 years though, is when there is war causing threat of economic collapse, foreign governments rush to buy US financial instruments. That is why war is good for the United States, bad for everyone else.
What has happened in the last 20 years though, is when there is war causing threat of economic collapse, foreign governments rush to buy US financial instruments. That is why war is good for the United States, bad for everyone else.
I believe what 7of9 was referring to was an all-out nuclear war, which for all (our) intents and purposes, would destroy most multi-cellular life on the planet. Certainly though we are a long ways from a planet-buster device!
we don't have enough nuclear arsenal to destroy the planet any more??/ news to me,
would you really want to live in Canada if the Russians decided to throw everything they had at the states.
I don't know I think we could fuck up the world pretty bad,
you know they are beginning to wonder why haven't they found any intelligent live out there, in the universe, they feel they should have by now.
one school of thought says, technology out raced there social skills and they destroyed themselves in some sort of nuclear Armageddon
would you really want to live in Canada if the Russians decided to throw everything they had at the states.
I don't know I think we could fuck up the world pretty bad,
you know they are beginning to wonder why haven't they found any intelligent live out there, in the universe, they feel they should have by now.
one school of thought says, technology out raced there social skills and they destroyed themselves in some sort of nuclear Armageddon
a google search on the amount of nuclear warheads out there,
23 k as in thousand warheads, 95 percent in the hands of the usa and Russians.
and there are a few thousand laying around that don't fall into a group that is counted such as tactical nuclear weapons, and others held in reserve just in case.
yeah I think that is enough.
and half life is usually in the hundered or thousands of years, so im sure they will make a bang,
23 k as in thousand warheads, 95 percent in the hands of the usa and Russians.
and there are a few thousand laying around that don't fall into a group that is counted such as tactical nuclear weapons, and others held in reserve just in case.
yeah I think that is enough.
and half life is usually in the hundered or thousands of years, so im sure they will make a bang,
How do you think it started? The article's description is consistent with most I've heard. Margaret McMillan's "The War That Ended Peace" is a good primer. Austria-Hungarian annexation, Russian opposition, Germany backs Austria-Hungary as per treaty, France and GB back Russia as per treaty, and away we go. A bit simplified but what is your version?
Maybe Putin is posturing for his home audience. Russian nationalism is pretty high right now. There is lots of (questionable) longing for the good old days when "everyone respected us".
China has so much money tied up in the USA that war would hurt them as much or more than the Americans.
WW3 is already going on and we are losing badly. It is between militant Islam and everyone else.
Our short attention span media outlets have stopped reporting on the progress of ISIS. But ISIS is now not only conquering but governing large swaths of territory. As well as recruiting fighters they are trying to recruit civil engineers, utilities workers , health care workers and other civil service type people.
Woe betide Israel if ISIS continues their expansion. Battling the Gazans is easy. Battling a well trained and well equipped army like ISIS will be very difficult and I don't expect Israel to win unless there is massive American intervention.
Many ISIS fighters return to their homeland to get care for combat injuries. Some go back to fight again, others stay behind. These veterans are often very well trained and highly motivated. They have no problem dying for their cause. If they decide to commit a terrorist act they will not be deterred by prison or execution.
I watched a couple of documentaries on Israel last night on netfixs \
The Gate Keepers, and Israel the Just Cause or something or other,
Not what you would think, especially The Gate Keepers, the story of the people leading intelligence agencies in Israel, interesting thoughts from people on the ground and doing the fighting, and went through it all.
I remember a thought from a peace negotiator, he said sometimes you simply have to walk away, until the people are
sick of their own blood on the ground and taking someone else's life
There can be no peace until the two sides have ended their blood lust.
One of the things from the documentaries' there is no victory until the political reality is changed on the ground.
We have won all the battles but we are loosing the war.
And from the Israelis' themselves, we have become hard and cruel like the Nazi's
It is a sad world that we live in it really is.
Andre Sakharov I can't remember what he said, but he thought the radiation fallout would eventually kill, thousands of people, simple from nuclear testing alone, for generations to come. Yes Hiroshima is ok, but Bikini atoll is not, They horrible miscalculated the effects of radiation.
I watched a documentary on Somalia a failed state, terrible horrific, just one country small country in Africa, what do you think a failed planet would be like,
yeah life would be there it is actually hard to sterilize things, so even though people have tried genocide since the beginning of time, it hasn't really come about, but the results none the less are horrific,
The Gate Keepers, and Israel the Just Cause or something or other,
Not what you would think, especially The Gate Keepers, the story of the people leading intelligence agencies in Israel, interesting thoughts from people on the ground and doing the fighting, and went through it all.
I remember a thought from a peace negotiator, he said sometimes you simply have to walk away, until the people are
sick of their own blood on the ground and taking someone else's life
There can be no peace until the two sides have ended their blood lust.
One of the things from the documentaries' there is no victory until the political reality is changed on the ground.
We have won all the battles but we are loosing the war.
And from the Israelis' themselves, we have become hard and cruel like the Nazi's
It is a sad world that we live in it really is.
Andre Sakharov I can't remember what he said, but he thought the radiation fallout would eventually kill, thousands of people, simple from nuclear testing alone, for generations to come. Yes Hiroshima is ok, but Bikini atoll is not, They horrible miscalculated the effects of radiation.
I watched a documentary on Somalia a failed state, terrible horrific, just one country small country in Africa, what do you think a failed planet would be like,
yeah life would be there it is actually hard to sterilize things, so even though people have tried genocide since the beginning of time, it hasn't really come about, but the results none the less are horrific,
Not even close. This is the spectre raised by right-wing media. Of course they will be a problem -- for people trying to live normal lives in the areas they are active; more refugees, more pain for all. Are they worse than the other militias and governments in the area? Probably not. What they are, however, is a convenient boogie man for the West. They are simply the latest means of distracting us from our own problems and the greed of our own overlords. Pretty much like the predictions of constant war in "1984" (and more hilariously, in Terry Gilliam's "Brazil"). Islam is plotting to take over the world! Well, they are too late. Global corporations have beat them to it, and will keep finding ways to profit from tragedy.
actually, i read that forced conversions is what the prophet mohammed did for a good part of his life - by threat of beheading :fear:
keep it real,
its not my quote its what Israel's are feeling about themselves,
They have become in some ways like the enemies they have feared and fought,
sad I don't really understand war or this conflict, who is right or wrong in this between Gaza and Israel,
In some ways, who ever is right is the winner, because they will right the history books.
I think the U.S.A has a lot to answer for, installing there governments all over the world,,
I remember a documentary, where it said big business big corporations pretty much run the world. They buy politicians government's and if they can't they replace them, That is why they went to war in Iraq, Hussein couldn't be bought, or bribed, he needed to be taken out. He was bad for business.
In some ways you know what I fear, a war might happen, it will be good for the economy, so many countries are in an economic disaster or near one, war will take peoples mind of things give goverenments excuses to raise taxes or simple take what they want.
Its like the slight of hand of a magician give the people a war to take their minds of the real issues.
its not my quote its what Israel's are feeling about themselves,
They have become in some ways like the enemies they have feared and fought,
sad I don't really understand war or this conflict, who is right or wrong in this between Gaza and Israel,
In some ways, who ever is right is the winner, because they will right the history books.
I think the U.S.A has a lot to answer for, installing there governments all over the world,,
I remember a documentary, where it said big business big corporations pretty much run the world. They buy politicians government's and if they can't they replace them, That is why they went to war in Iraq, Hussein couldn't be bought, or bribed, he needed to be taken out. He was bad for business.
In some ways you know what I fear, a war might happen, it will be good for the economy, so many countries are in an economic disaster or near one, war will take peoples mind of things give goverenments excuses to raise taxes or simple take what they want.
Its like the slight of hand of a magician give the people a war to take their minds of the real issues.
Governing is never about what is good for the real economy. It is about what is good for those who control the economy. War is absolutelyfriggengreat for making money for certain people.
soooooo...... Russia is officially rolling troops into the Ukraine now.... at least these ones have military patches showing their actual allegiance.
