United Conservative Party wins Alberta provincial election

[sybian]

i watched visits to talk to people in the rural areas on cbc news... i was literally shocked. talk about inbred hillbillys! not much "book learnin" i suspect. one saloon had a US and Confederate flag hanging over the bar. people were wearing MAGA baseball caps. i was truly shocked that places like this existed in Canada. guess its the influence of foreign owned oil companies and Fox "News".

i'd be happy to leave you alone if you just stopped voting! i mean, if you can't simply use logic instead of knee jerk gut reaction like Pavalovs dog after decades of plutocrat and global cabal indoctrination. ever wonder why Albertans are somehow the "different" Canadians? Alberta the center of "conservatism" (again, what the fuck does that mean)? do you think it would ever be that way without... OIL? no chance. i proposed this enough in the past. Albertan oil should be NATIONALIZED. enough sending pennies on the dollar to international elite. why do you never ask foreign oil companies to "leave you alone"? again, look at Norway... they get their own oil out of the ground and now have a trillion dollars in the bank. one million per person. want the rest of Canada to support pipelines? when hordes of cash are pouring into public coffers that everyone can enjoy then watch those pipelines go up lickety split! for now its just... oh, Albertans are complaining again cause they want to shovel shit in our back yard for free. no, the knuckle dragers are drooling too much. Jasons got the dog whistle out. he's pumpin gas into his huge truck that he needs to fill up with cash from the oil lobby.

and that tough cowboy gunslinger "leave me alone" stuff is melodramatic bullshit. you want lonestar stuff then go to Afghanistan. the Taliban are tough cowboy gunslingers... no taxes support a paid army to protect you there. the kind of cowboy you're talking about wouldn't last ten seconds in that environment. i appreciate that people can have a beautiful lifestyle in rural communities... but they need to leave us alone when they have no fuckin idea how to vote rationally. don't want to pay taxes? then its Taliban time mofo, good luck with that!

I was there you entitled bag of air.......and I lasted more than ten seconds, and it had nothing to do with luck.
The most ridiculous part of your comment is your reference to the Taliban.....you obviously have no idea to whom your speaking too...and you have no idea how many of my " cowboy friends" died beside me.
The next time you attend a Remembrance Day Memorial take a look at the jarhead standing beside you, with all the tin pinned to his chest, and the scars on his fucking face....you very well may be standing next to me.

 

[jgg]

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He's a fucking troll and baiting you.

 

[sybian]

He's a fucking troll and baiting you.

Yup I know.....nobody talks to me like that about the Taliban...not at any cost.
But thank you my friend, I know your just looking out for me....as are the many here that PM'd me.

 

[storm rider]

Did not read a single post on this thread and I wont quote or respond to any of the negative leftist bullshit.I called a spade a spade 2 fucking years ago if not more.Notley and her ILK got Governance of Alberta in 2015 because of a vote split between the PC's and the Wildrose and the biggest thing was a protest vote gone WRONG.....when the late Jim Prentiss said the most ill advised words in Canadian Political history when he said "Albertan's need to look in the mirror".

The filthy Socialist NDP pulled out every trick in the bag this election and tried to get it down to Socialist issues and they LOST......and proper after 4 years of shitty governance as well as doubling if not more of the Provincial Debt and addiing 40,000+ jobs to the Public Sector whilst 100,000+ jobs have been slashed in the Private Sector......Rachel Notely vowed to "stay and keep fighting"......not much of a fight when you keep your seat to feed at the trough.....though she can no longer give crony patronage jobs to NDP insiders.

4 years of bad shitty Governance for Alberta.....4 years of piling up more debt.....4 years of pandering to Public Sector Unions.....and 4 years of both higher taxes as well as a Carbon Tax that the NDP did not run on as a campaign plank in 2015 but the brought it in as an aside telling Albertan's "we know what is best for you".

ONE AND DONE.....the NDP will never take hold of Government again in Alberta as Albertan's rose up and said "fuck you"....sadly British Columbia still has not gotten the message after ALL of the NDP scandals.Mike Harcourt/Moe Sihota/Glen Clark.Bingo-gate/hydro-gate/casino-gate and all of the rest......and BC residents still vote in the fucking filthy ball washing bastards that are the NDP who enrich themselves at the tax payers cost.

All told right now there are 6 Provinces that have elected Conservative Governments in the last 2 years including Quebec.That is a massive voice of change and I think it will be represented in the next Federal election and that ass clown Trudeau will LOSE.

 

[clu]

Notley and her ILK got Governance of Alberta in 2015 because of a vote split between the PC's and the Wildrose

Gotta love First Past the Post, right SR? eep:

 

[nightswhisper]

Gotta love First Past the Post, right SR? eep:

Nothing wrong with it.

The PCs lost support in large portions in the major cities. The loss was expected in the last election.

 

[appleomac]

Nothing wrong with it.

The PCs lost support in large portions in the major cities. The loss was expected in the last election.

The PC's and Wildrose combined received 52% of the popular vote in the 2015 Alberta election and that translated into 35% of the seats. FPTP sure does create some odd results.

 

[80watts]

Good luck to Kenny, he has a tough job to do in the next few years. Alberta fell into economic crisis when the price of world oil dropped. Until oil prices hit 70-80/barrel Alberta will still be hurting economically. He will be forced to bring in PST for Alberta, because the world price of oil will not increase drastically until the US stops fracking their oil fields.... or until they run dry (maybe another 20 years).

Most of the population lives in the big Cities (aprox 30 million /37 million). Alot of jobs depend on government contracts or direct government jobs. Most of the population is aged over 45 and will need health care at some point...

Conservatives will cut government jobs to save on taxes, providing less services. point in case Ontario, in health the Austism cut-back, in education - cut back on teachers (not yet done). The reason the Liberals got elected federally was because many people thought that Martin was cutting back too much.

Alot of weath made in Canada comes from natural resources (lumber, mineral resources ), banking and manufacturing (centered in Toronto/Ontario). Alot of the tax income was to come from the high price of world oil in the 2012. The oil market fell, Renvenue in tax dollars went down, The GST was lowered from 6 to 5 %.

The have provinces were Alberta (oil), BC (mining/hydroelectric), Ontario (manufacturing/ autopac). The transfer payments were to keep Canada's population stable, ie keep the quebecer in quebec, instead of having alot of transient workers.

So 20 years ago Ontario lost the auto-pac, loss of car manufacturing and related industries. So for the past 20 years their economy sucked.....

2014 oil prices slumped, and Alberta lost alot of it income by oil... So for the past few years their economy sucked....

BC spent its time doing the yo-yo thing, but the worst thing was the Liberal and NDP, wanting to get elected, promising tax cuts, the people of BC bought into it; electing the government that promised the most tax cuts from around 2000, with the resulting back and forth government and lowering of taxes every time. So BC economy was in the shits, especially everytime a NDP government was elected...

Oh and the main part of the economy (the retail store) was suckered punched 20 years ago with the likes of ebay, and amazon and big box stores like Walmart.

So an aging population (who need health care, with hardly enough doctors and nurses), now comes into affect with every election. The social welfare of the aging.... comes into effect every year as the babyboomers retire.

Pension plans are paid off current taxes, where they used to be built-up funds (contribution by member and government) the government had for a rainy day; and then there is the CPP and old age pension.
The bad thing to do as a government is to raise taxes and/or slash government jobs (negative media).

So in the future you have to look forward to is a raise in GST, PST, carbon fuel tax and more government fees (which used to be free), and an increase in mineral taxation for mining/oil companies. hwy tolls maybe.

One of the worst thing about a government or company when they want to save money, they cut back on building maintenance, cleaning services etc. The AC in your hotel doesn't work, the hospital walls are dirty, the air smells bad in the parliament buildings, the floors in your apartment building are very old and dusty.....

 

[Sifupoon]

Did not read a single post on this thread and I wont quote or respond to any of the negative leftist bullshit.I called a spade a spade 2 fucking years ago if not more.Notley and her ILK got Governance of Alberta in 2015 because of a vote split between the PC's and the Wildrose and the biggest thing was a protest vote gone WRONG.....when the late Jim Prentiss said the most ill advised words in Canadian Political history when he said "Albertan's need to look in the mirror".

The filthy Socialist NDP pulled out every trick in the bag this election and tried to get it down to Socialist issues and they LOST......and proper after 4 years of shitty governance as well as doubling if not more of the Provincial Debt and addiing 40,000+ jobs to the Public Sector whilst 100,000+ jobs have been slashed in the Private Sector......Rachel Notely vowed to "stay and keep fighting"......not much of a fight when you keep your seat to feed at the trough.....though she can no longer give crony patronage jobs to NDP insiders.

4 years of bad shitty Governance for Alberta.....4 years of piling up more debt.....4 years of pandering to Public Sector Unions.....and 4 years of both higher taxes as well as a Carbon Tax that the NDP did not run on as a campaign plank in 2015 but the brought it in as an aside telling Albertan's "we know what is best for you".

ONE AND DONE.....the NDP will never take hold of Government again in Alberta as Albertan's rose up and said "fuck you"....sadly British Columbia still has not gotten the message after ALL of the NDP scandals.Mike Harcourt/Moe Sihota/Glen Clark.Bingo-gate/hydro-gate/casino-gate and all of the rest......and BC residents still vote in the fucking filthy ball washing bastards that are the NDP who enrich themselves at the tax payers cost.

All told right now there are 6 Provinces that have elected Conservative Governments in the last 2 years including Quebec.That is a massive voice of change and I think it will be represented in the next Federal election and that ass clown Trudeau will LOSE.

You constantly complain about the filthy socialist ndp in your province. Wait till Kenny employs double to you what
the ndp did. mark my words he'll have no choice as he is already doing a knee jerk proposal of holding out
the carrot to the BC business community offereing them tax cuts to come set up biz in Alberta.
Who do you think he'll go after to make up the short fall? Oil certainly isn't going to do it.
Then we'll see how much you sing against the ndp. i feel sorry for Kenny personally as his job is going to
be a nightmare to figure out. Any suggestions from you or your fellow albertans on how to complete that task?

It might be a good idea to submit ideas before he comes up with "we know what is best for Alberta" except
he will have to ad one word. Sorry!! I had no choice.

Since you sing his praises it might be an idea to stand up and offer him some help. He's going to need
it in spades cuz their will be nothing for him to do except do the same thing you said the ndp did there
will be to enrich himself with yours and every other albertans tax payer dollars.

Lets see what Kenny decides is best for you? Good luck.

 

[masterblaster]

modern societies are complex organizations with complex problems that require complex solutions... the electorate need to be highly cognizant of that and ready to take on the responsibility of learning about it. politicians need to inform people of those complexities and not just do the "those DOG WHISTLE NAME HERE people are coming for us!". people have to understand that they are being CONTROLLED. yeah, greenpeace does it to. it'll go on forever i guess.

i saw people on this program say that "conservative" means that they just want to be left alone. well, go live in the woods then! they got no problem using our "socialist" democracy, electricity, pluming, EI, medical, education etc etc... its hilarious. i saw a great british documentary recently about "survivalists" living in Utah or some god forsaken place. listened to freaky conservative survivalist radio all day, spent $900 a month on vitamins... "survived" on social security payments! socialists!

and yeah, Alberta takes a step in the direction of diversifying their economy, thinking like educated "city folk" instead of believing that we're not heating up the atmosphere or that Hillary Clinton maybe wasn't selling childrens body parts from a pizza parlor in Brooklyn... but no. they don't like change.

its just a rant... its not going to change. its the human condition. its always a fight to keep demagogues out of office. think Albertan hillbillies know what that means?! not a library for miles....

Utah has beautiful scenery, if you never been there you shouldn’t knock it.

 

[jgg]

...The reason the Liberals got elected federally was because many people thought that Martin was cutting back too much...

I'm confused, Martin was a Liberal.

 

[jgg]

...the air smells bad in the parliament buildings...

That would be all the bullshit.

 

[marsvolta]

Yup I know.....nobody talks to me like that about the Taliban...not at any cost.
But thank you my friend, I know your just looking out for me....as are the many here that PM'd me.

you, of all people then sybian, should KNOW what it looks like when collective tools don't exist in a society. we have a mix of socialism and free enterprise in the most successful and great to live in countries in the world. its a fat cake of socialism with a rich icing of free enterprise that builds on it. as i've constantly noted and that "conservatives" don't get... someone doesn't get rich by themselves. that which we have built collectively as a society are absolutely necessary in order to build wealth. power, water, sewage, roads, railways, labor that can read, right and do arithmetic, medical, the rule of law and a paid military to protect us from ravaging hordes etc etc.

you sybian, were in Afghanistan, and saw with your own eyes what a world looks like when you don't have the rule of law, when you don't have health care, or a paid army and all of those things. the Taliban ARE the ravaging hordes.

and i don't doubt for a second that you can take care of yourself in such situations... but you wouldn't last ten seconds there without that paid army, modern instruments of warfare and full air support. not unless you could instantly grow a beard and create instant bro's with the other old guys who are trading their 10 year old daughters and sending their sons to a jihad death while selling opiates.

but aside none of you make any clear argument of why the fuck it is that you continue to vote for bullshit doughboys who use the same old dog whistles calling for the same old status quo. i hope you guys realize how utterly dumb you sound when you use those dog whistles in your posts. i challenge you... what does "conservative" mean, what does "socialism" or "liberal" mean. you have NO common definition. its some kind of cruel label for shit you don't understand and never will. its your need to hate. its your gut. your brains are useless.

 

[storm rider]

You constantly complain about the filthy socialist ndp in your province. Wait till Kenny employs double to you what
the ndp did. mark my words he'll have no choice as he is already doing a knee jerk proposal of holding out
the carrot to the BC business community offereing them tax cuts to come set up biz in Alberta.
Who do you think he'll go after to make up the short fall? Oil certainly isn't going to do it.
Then we'll see how much you sing against the ndp. i feel sorry for Kenny personally as his job is going to
be a nightmare to figure out. Any suggestions from you or your fellow albertans on how to complete that task?

It might be a good idea to submit ideas before he comes up with "we know what is best for Alberta" except
he will have to ad one word. Sorry!! I had no choice.

Since you sing his praises it might be an idea to stand up and offer him some help. He's going to need
it in spades cuz their will be nothing for him to do except do the same thing you said the ndp did there
will be to enrich himself with yours and every other albertans tax payer dollars.

Lets see what Kenny decides is best for you? Good luck.

I sure as hell wont EVER in my life praise the NDP.In every Province the have Governed over they have run into the ground whilst enriching themselves.Every single Cabinet member under Notley got an NDP chief of staff from Toronto....an NDP crony toady insider and the former Energy Minister got sandbagged by a question in a press scrum about it.

I trust that Jason Kenny is going to trim the proverbial fat from government and run it like a business that has the purpose of being efficient.At the same time I truly hopes he goes hard on the costs of the public sector.Wage roll backs and the like.....no fucking way a nurse working a "super stat" on a public holiday should be getting paid $280 an hour.....and YES that is the case as a friend of mine...his wife is a nurse and that is what she got paid.

In short....trim the fat big time....cut the waste as well as the dog fucking union workers who think they cant be fired.....put it into the mindest of the public sector union workers that tax payers are not there to provide them with privilege BUT they are there to provide what is needed for tax payers.

Alberta does not have a revenue problem as a government.....it has a spending problem and that problem arose after Ralph Klein quit.

As for a Sales Tax that the Red Tories propose.....the ones that want to tax and spend more.Try to implement it and it has to pass a referendum by LAW.....losing proposition.Change the LAW and force it upon Albertan's.....good luck getting elected again.

SR

 

[appleomac]

you, of all people then sybian, should KNOW what it looks like when collective tools don't exist in a society. we have a mix of socialism and free enterprise in the most successful and great to live in countries in the world. its a fat cake of socialism with a rich icing of free enterprise that builds on it. as i've constantly noted and that "conservatives" don't get... someone doesn't get rich by themselves. that which we have built collectively as a society are absolutely necessary in order to build wealth. power, water, sewage, roads, railways, labor that can read, right and do arithmetic, medical, the rule of law and a paid military to protect us from ravaging hordes etc etc.

you sybian, were in Afghanistan, and saw with your own eyes what a world looks like when you don't have the rule of law, when you don't have health care, or a paid army and all of those things. the Taliban ARE the ravaging hordes.

and i don't doubt for a second that you can take care of yourself in such situations... but you wouldn't last ten seconds there without that paid army, modern instruments of warfare and full air support. not unless you could instantly grow a beard and create instant bro's with the other old guys who are trading their 10 year old daughters and sending their sons to a jihad death while selling opiates.

but aside none of you make any clear argument of why the fuck it is that you continue to vote for bullshit doughboys who use the same old dog whistles calling for the same old status quo. i hope you guys realize how utterly dumb you sound when you use those dog whistles in your posts. i challenge you... what does "conservative" mean, what does "socialism" or "liberal" mean. you have NO common definition. its some kind of cruel label for shit you don't understand and never will. its your need to hate. its your gut. your brains are useless.

You do understand that individuals do not owe you any explanation as to why they vote for one candidate or another right? Why do you continually rant about the voting choice of others? Why do you continually rant and demonstrate that you seem to not understand basic democracy? In a democracy, you get a vote, that's it. You are not entitled to your preferred outcome.

 

[marsvolta]

You do understand that individuals do not owe you any explanation as to why they vote for one candidate or another right? Why do you continually rant about the voting choice of others? Why do you continually rant and demonstrate that you seem to not understand basic democracy? In a democracy, you get a vote, that's it. You are not entitled to your preferred outcome.

nobody owes me an explanation. they owe themselves an explanation. and since they can't come up with a logical one as to why they consistently vote in a direction that does them no good then there will be people like me trying to educate them. because when you vote in a way that doesn't do you a favor then it doesn't do me a favor either. those rural yahoos who vote conservative but can't logically explain why or how its going to improve their situation are great fodder for demgogues at best, dictators at worst. trump, obviously, doesn't give a shit about rural americans. sheer and jason just suckle on big oil lobby money in the tradition of all Albertan conservative leaders. while we're at it, learn what a demgogue is:

"a political leader who seeks support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people rather than by using rational argument."

sound like someone you know? its possibly everyone you've ever voted for. give those people, be it conservative, liberal, ndp or whatever, the shove. point to real problems and expect constructive and well thought out plans and answers.

 

[appleomac]

nobody owes me an explanation. they owe themselves an explanation. and since they can't come up with a logical one as to why they consistently vote in a direction that does them no good then there will be people like me trying to educate them. because when you vote in a way that doesn't do you a favor then it doesn't do me a favor either. those rural yahoos who vote conservative but can't logically explain why or how its going to improve their situation are great fodder for demgogues at best, dictators at worst. trump, obviously, doesn't give a shit about rural americans. sheer and jason just suckle on big oil lobby money in the tradition of all Albertan conservative leaders. while we're at it, learn what a demgogue is:

"a political leader who seeks support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people rather than by using rational argument."

sound like someone you know? its possibly everyone you've ever voted for. give those people, be it conservative, liberal, ndp or whatever, the shove. point the real problems and expect constructive and well thought out plans and answers.

People vote the way they want to vote. Perhaps you need to learn to accept that. Although I cannot speak for the entire electorate, but I'm pretty sure everyone who voted were perfectly comfortable with who they voted for.

 

[marsvolta]

People vote the way they want to vote. Perhaps you need to learn to accept that. Although I cannot speak for the entire electorate, but I'm pretty sure everyone who voted were perfectly comfortable with who they voted for.

nothing there. empty. the crickets are singing. another post i'm participating in where the yahoos are quiet. because they have no logical argument.

i feel pretty comfortable after 12 beer. doesn't mean its safe for me to drive.

 

[appleomac]

nothing there. empty. the crickets are singing. another post i'm participating in where the yahoos are quiet. because they have no logical argument.

i feel pretty comfortable after 12 beer. doesn't mean its safe for me to drive.

And I believe therein lies the problem: you're simply looking for an argument. You claim certain voters owe themselves an explanation; yet for some reason, your own logic cannot comprehend that those certain voters have all the explanation/reasons for voting the way they did: there is no need or requirement to explain it to you, me or anyone else.

 

[jgg]

...i feel pretty comfortable after 12 beer...

Have a few more.