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Trump for President. Who's hopping on the bandwagon? Who's digging a bunker?

InTheBum

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Here's a very simple thing I don't understand about Trump's supporters: why do they think he's on their side? He's never given a damn about the "common people" in his life. He's never even pretended to. He's even stiffed his workers and customers out of their due if it suits him. Completely forgetting the crassness, this is their champion?!?

Now the usual retort is that Hillary is no better/is worse, etc. So let's say for argument's sake she doesn't give a damn about the common people either. Let's say they're both crooks. That notwithstanding, he's a business man with no experience in the kind of stuff politicians deal with, whose attitude appears to be "how hard can it be?" or something of that sort. His plans, to the extent they are plans at all, have all the sophistication of an elementary school student's. Of all of us here who have developed skills in our chosen profession, how would we react to some armchair critic with no demonstrable understanding of our day to day coming along and saying "I could do this so much better"? Why trust this guy is any different?

IMHO there is simply no reliable way to judge him the best choice. I understand the frustration a lot of people feel with "the system" but this guy is a blustering bullshit artist (and typical all-promises pre-deal businessman) who will not have the answers. If anything he is of the very self-serving ilk whose corporate greed got the US in the economic situation it's in.

Actually, if you listen to Trump he says he wants to give back to America, since it provided him with an amazing life!!! Not to mention, he is disgusted by how poorly run the USA is and anyone with half a brain can see, the system DOESN'T WORK. Only a fool or a complete IDIOT would vote for Hilary! The Clintons are the epicenter of Political corruption, deceit, and self-serving assholeness!!!!!!! The Clinton's have never ran a business or created ANYTHING!!! Yet, they make millions and millions per year!!! The Clinton Foundation is a joke, a criminal enterprise, and a shell of a real charity. WAKE UP!!!!!!!


On another note, PM Trudeau who is clearly a certified IDIOT with ZERO political knowledge, a pretty basic level of education (high school teacher...really???), and ZERO business skills is running Canada!!! The media and most citizens think he's great...go figure...
 

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Actually, if you listen to Trump he says he wants to give back to America, since it provided him with an amazing life!!! Not to mention, he is disgusted by how poorly run the USA is and anyone with half a brain can see, the system DOESN'T WORK. Only a fool or a complete IDIOT would vote for Hilary! The Clintons are the epicenter of Political corruption, deceit, and self-serving assholeness!!!!!!! The Clinton's have never ran a business or created ANYTHING!!! Yet, they make millions and millions per year!!! The Clinton Foundation is a joke, a criminal enterprise, and a shell of a real charity. WAKE UP!!!!!!!


On another note, PM Trudeau who is clearly a certified IDIOT with ZERO political knowledge, a pretty basic level of education (high school teacher...really???), and ZERO business skills is running Canada!!! The media and most citizens think he's great...go figure...
That is not true. Bill Clinton served 5 terms as Governor of Arkansas and two terms as POTUS. He has plenty of executive experience running things. Hilary Clinton Served twice as a Senator, and 4 years as Secretary of State, which is also an executive position. A government executive position is no different from a private executive position in terms of experience. They both deal with the same sorts of management issues, just on different topics.

Trump may be wealthy, but his wealth is mostly made by gaming the system and trading off his name. He is essentially a used car salesman on a gigantic scale. If you think that sort of person is suitable for running a country then you seriously mistaken. He may be good for bringing in the suckers and schmucks, but he is still selling them a piece of junk, and when they leave the lot and realize this, he will laugh at them for being so stupid. He will do that to the American voters as well if they are stupid and gullible enough to fall for his BS.

Trudeau does not have "zero political knowledge". He grew up as the son of a prime minister for heaven sakes, he would have been imbued by that world from birth. He has been involved in politics since high school. He also served as an MP for 7 years prior to becoming prime minister. How long does it take to have more than "zero political knowledge" in your world? Trump has a hell of a lot less than Trudeau, and you think he is great. Why the difference in attitude?

Also, Trudeau does not have a "pretty basic level of education". In fact he has two university degrees, one from McGill and one from UBC. He also studied engineering in Montreal and had started a masters at McGill before dropping that to run for office. His level of education is comparable to Stephen Harpers. He is better educated than most Canadians. How many degrees do you have?
 

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I tend to think of Trump supporters for the most part as modern day hill billies who think that America was made by them and for them, when actually they are just the waste droppings that fell to the side when other people built America. Now that reality is setting in, they refuse to accept it, so when some snake oil salesman like Trump comes along and tells them a lot of nonsense that sounds like something they might want to hear, they swallow it hook line and sinker. The critical point Trump makes is it was not their fault, all the woes of their lives are really someone else's doing. Those sorts of people just lap that sort of stuff up, because it excuses them from personal responsibility for their shitty lives.

I think Michael Moore is a pretentious idiot, who trades off the same things Trump does, but just from a different ideological direction. So of course he sees a parallel between his appeal and Trumps appeal. In a way for him it is sort of a personal validation.

I saw him on TV tonight....is it just me or is he channeling Jabba the Hut these days? Lol.
 

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That is not true. Bill Clinton served 5 terms as Governor of Arkansas and two terms as POTUS. He has plenty of executive experience running things. Hilary Clinton Served twice as a Senator, and 4 years as Secretary of State, which is also an executive position. A government executive position is no different from a private executive position in terms of experience. They both deal with the same sorts of management issues, just on different topics.

Trump may be wealthy, but his wealth is mostly made by gaming the system and trading off his name. He is essentially a used car salesman on a gigantic scale. If you think that sort of person is suitable for running a country then you seriously mistaken. He may be good for bringing in the suckers and schmucks, but he is still selling them a piece of junk, and when they leave the lot and realize this, he will laugh at them for being so stupid. He will do that to the American voters as well if they are stupid and gullible enough to fall for his BS.

Trudeau does not have "zero political knowledge". He grew up as the son of a prime minister for heaven sakes, he would have been imbued by that world from birth. He has been involved in politics since high school. He also served as an MP for 7 years prior to becoming prime minister. How long does it take to have more than "zero political knowledge" in your world? Trump has a hell of a lot less than Trudeau, and you think he is great. Why the difference in attitude?

Also, Trudeau does not have a "pretty basic level of education". In fact he has two university degrees, one from McGill and one from UBC. He also studied engineering in Montreal and had started a masters at McGill before dropping that to run for office. His level of education is comparable to Stephen Harpers. He is better educated than most Canadians. How many degrees do you have?
You seriously need to wake up and smell the coffee!!!!

1. The Clintons have an estimated net worth of over $60 million USD. Since when do politicians make millions of dollars per year? It's called being corrupt and getting paid off...

2. Trump is an amazing developer and incredible business person. You don't become a billionaire by mistake and create amazing properties around the world by luck. (You sound jealous)

3. If you need to know, I have 1 university degree and 1 certification.

4. Trudeau has a bachelor of arts degree in literature from McGill University and a bachelor of education degree from the University of British Columbia. (This isn't a high level of education...sorry) And yes, he dropped out of a Masters degree because he couldn't handle it... Stephen Harper completed a MA (so not comparable)
 

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Moore agrees with putting a 30% tariff on Mexican made Ford's. That should put the price right around where they would be if manufactured in Detroit. There a reason they're being built in Mexico.
Moore has grown into quite a disgusting site. He's needs a trump win to be relevant again with his "documentaries" on evil conservatives.
 

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Actually, if you listen to Trump he says he wants to give back to America, since it provided him with an amazing life!!! Not to mention, he is disgusted by how poorly run the USA is and anyone with half a brain can see, the system DOESN'T WORK. Only a fool or a complete IDIOT would vote for Hilary! The Clintons are the epicenter of Political corruption, deceit, and self-serving assholeness!!!!!!! The Clinton's have never ran a business or created ANYTHING!!! Yet, they make millions and millions per year!!! The Clinton Foundation is a joke, a criminal enterprise, and a shell of a real charity. WAKE UP!!!!!!!


On another note, PM Trudeau who is clearly a certified IDIOT with ZERO political knowledge, a pretty basic level of education (high school teacher...really???), and ZERO business skills is running Canada!!! The media and most citizens think he's great...go figure...
It's like you weren't even reading the post you were replying to.
 

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You seriously need to wake up and smell the coffee!!!!

1. The Clintons have an estimated net worth of over $60 million USD. Since when do politicians make millions of dollars per year? It's called being corrupt and getting paid off...

2. Trump is an amazing developer and incredible business person. You don't become a billionaire by mistake and create amazing properties around the world by luck. (You sound jealous)
I'm no fan of Clinton either but regardless of whatever anyone says about Donald Trump's success (although a lot of that is in question as well), he is a genuinely bad, nasty person. He has absolutely no redeeming qualities and is a childish oaf.
Sure Clinton has skeleton's in her closet. You don't spend nearly 30 years in public office without having a few secrets pop up but Trump is just an asshole, plain and simple.
 

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I will just be gland when November 8 comes and the whole thing is over no matter who wins. I am pretty sick of hearing about Donald trump everywhere . It is really almost unreal how incredibly politically stupid trump is I stick to my original view on this That trump plans to lose the election and somehow use it to his advantage so he wont have to pay taxes etc.
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know its tin foil hat stuff but I am almost wondering if Clinton hired him to run against her to draw media attention away from a third candidate or something . It just seems he is acting way to stupid and I don't know much about us politics and I could understand him getting away with saying stuff that pretty much kills his chances of getting in,If he was running independently but as I understand it the republican party has been around for a long time why they are letting him get away with what looks to be political suicide makes me wonder .
 

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as I understand it the republican party has been around for a long time why they are letting him get away with what looks to be political suicide makes me wonder .
He snuck up on them and now they can't do anything about it. The Republican establishment took Trump's run as a joke, probably like most of America did. Trouble is, nobody seems to have had the pulse of the nation.... I doubt Trump did either, but he was a reality star, and the outrageous make for good TV. In this case it also made for good politics and he ran with it...before the GOP knew what hit them he was their man. To totally try to take him out as the candidate, which they could do would leave the US a one party state. If they took out Trump I doubt anybody down ballot would get elected.
 

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Since when do politicians make millions of dollars per year?
By becoming a senator or congressman. Then corporate America pays you millions to pass bills in their favor.
 

InTheBum

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By becoming a senator or congressman. Then corporate America pays you millions to pass bills in their favor.
Not all politicians are crooks. Many have morals, values, and believe in public service with the best interest of the country on all their decisions.
 

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Author, Dave Wong begins,

"I'm going to explain the Donald Trump phenomenon in three movies."
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/



Star Wars? Fuck no. If I were to pick 3 films in this vein, one of them would have to be Falling Down.


Not all politicians are crooks. Many have morals, values, and believe in public service with the best interest of the country on all their decisions.
Except Stephen Harper, who was a devious sociopath in the mold of Joseph Stalin.​
 

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I'm no fan of Clinton either but regardless of whatever anyone says about Donald Trump's success (although a lot of that is in question as well), he is a genuinely bad, nasty person. He has absolutely no redeeming qualities and is a childish oaf.
Sure Clinton has skeleton's in her closet. You don't spend nearly 30 years in public office without having a few secrets pop up but Trump is just an asshole, plain and simple.


Totally agree Jethro Bodine. Trump is a deplorable human being and completely and thoroughly unfit and unqualified for the office. Will be glad when this is over and Hillary takes office :) I think it will be a landslide and hopefully the Dems get a majority in the house as well…..bring it on.
 

blackcad

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You seriously need to wake up and smell the coffee!!!!

1. The Clintons have an estimated net worth of over $60 million USD. Since when do politicians make millions of dollars per year? It's called being corrupt and getting paid off...

2. Trump is an amazing developer and incredible business person. You don't become a billionaire by mistake and create amazing properties around the world by luck. (You sound jealous)

3. If you need to know, I have 1 university degree and 1 certification.

4. Trudeau has a bachelor of arts degree in literature from McGill University and a bachelor of education degree from the University of British Columbia. (This isn't a high level of education...sorry) And yes, he dropped out of a Masters degree because he couldn't handle it... Stephen Harper completed a MA (so not comparable)
Finally someone who actually has the balls to say the truth. This thread is a microcosm of Trump shaming that polarizes the self appointed entitled left to be everything they claim they're against. "They go low , we go high" is ridiculous when you hear it repeated by the corrupt democrats. Anyone who doesn't subscribe to their willfully blind outlook is a racist, misogynistic, xenophobic bigot...The Clinton's have no campaign. They are so corrupt that all they can do is use an inflammatory smear campaign against Trump and ramp it as loud as possible with their 'in the tank' media such that the public are not aware of all the enormous evidence of corruption that makes Watergate look like taking a pen home from work.
 

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Anyone who doesn't subscribe to their willfully blind outlook is a racist, misogynistic, xenophobic bigot...The Clinton's have no campaign. They are so corrupt that all they can do is use an inflammatory smear campaign against Trump
The Democrats have not had to do anything to "smear" Trump except just stand back and let him continue to spew his racist, misogynistic,xenophobic venom.
It is exactly like the SNL skits where Trump (Alec Baldwin) starts going off and the Clinton (Kate McKinnon) just sits back and enjoys the ensuing shit show.
 

blackcad

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The Democrats have not had to do anything to "smear" Trump except just stand back and let him continue to spew his racist, misogynistic,xenophobic venom
Oh really? Here's the tip of the iceberg of their illegal smear....remember the huge campaign issue they pushed...'Trump rallies incite violence'...so wrong that even the Clinton News Network has to report it..
https://youtu.be/MQ1qT-XtNk0
 
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