Trade War

LalaniElectrica

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Most of these big companies that are American are conglomerates and owned by a few huge umbrella companies, usually located who knows where in the world...

Start with Nestle water which they steal from many natural water sources with little to no cost, and you can go all the way to Big Pharma... That's one way to really boycott the US... Imagine if us Canadians got really fit and cured the majority of ailments thru diet and excercise and got off all the dependency on medications and unhealthy processed American foods?? The US would be hit Hard if that happened... they are HUGE into pushing their pills for this and that, they also cause a whole host of other problems down the line... I just hope some folks out there do wake up and realize what they are being programmed... I know some medications are mandatory for heart diabetes and many other things, but popping a diazepam or other meds that are for a minor ache or pain... we can do better as a population if we really want to boycott American interests...

It will take a bit to boycott these business, but it IS possible if you eat mostly fruits and veggies and fresh meat... bread from the local baker... buy from your local small retailer rather than American chain stores.

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Start with Nestle
Nestle is a nasty outfit. They project a wholesome image but are cut throat capitalists.
That chart was posted years ago on imgur and shocked me.
It has been updated several times. More and more things are controlled by fewer and fewer people.

A really good example is Hugo Boss. People think they are buying high end luxury when really Boss is nothing but one product line in a vast conglomerate.

Food production controlled by a dozen companies is bad.The only way to fight these trends is supporting local independents.

bread from the local baker...
Make your own!
A girlfriend gave a breadmaker a few years ago. It is amazing, easy and cheap. And you know what is in it...no colours or preservatives.
Bonus: Baking bread makes your house smell good.
 
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We've had dialogue on this in the past and I agree.
I buy a lot of South Okanagan wines- Naramata, OK Falls, Oliver, Golden Mile, Osoyoos etc. There are a lot of really top quality and superior reds and certain Chards being produced.
But I still love Washington and California!
It's so damn difficult being a wino....what's a boy to do?
Great wines from all over the world. South Africa, France, Italy, Australia. Next time you go buy wine ask for something from McLaren Vale.
 

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Im all for supporting Canadian companies!! Since you are pointing out American companies such as Walmart. Why not include COSTCO in the mix? Its taking over the retail landscape and putting businesses out of businesses here. The masses are obsessed / manipulated with COSTCO.
 

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We need to threaten to blowup the US deathstar. Read to see how:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/secon...-drug-patents-intellectual-property-1.4708630

JD
Wow now that's a swift kick in the balls. Very interesting article and it made me recall FTA when our drug prices zoomed skyward. Now I know why.

I like how smaller countries didn't take kindly to the bully pushing them around and pushed the Patent button. Can you imagine if the G6 countries all pulled that with the US?

Better make that G5. I'm betting the U.K. will support the USA because of their pending exit from the EU.
 

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Wow now that's a swift kick in the balls. Very interesting article and it made me recall FTA when our drug prices zoomed skyward. Now I know why.

I like how smaller countries didn't take kindly to the bully pushing them around and pushed the Patent button. Can you imagine if the G6 countries all pulled that with the US?

Better make that G5. I'm betting the U.K. will support the USA because of their pending exit from the EU.
I would love to see Canada and any of the other G7 "push the Patent button" as you put BBB, though as hinted at in the article, it a button pushed when all other options have left the table and you no longer care what the USA thinks of you. Much like getting into a heated argument with your wife and telling her that you think she is fat! There is no returning to "normal" after that.

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I would love to see Canada and any of the other G7 "push the Patent button" as you put BBB, though as hinted at in the article, it a button pushed when all other options have left the table and you no longer care what the USA thinks of you. Much like getting into a heated argument with your wife and telling her that you think she is fat! There is no returning to "normal" after that.

JD
Quite true, especially the 'fat comment'. ;)

If I read it correctly, those countries merely threatened to terminate the US Patents in their respective countries. It was enough to make to US back off.

Knowing that Canada relies upon the US for many industries and the majority of our exports; it's critical to make the right move. Not doing anything could push us into a recession with Ontario's 49%, BC's 20% relying on good trade with the US.

The thing that is being ignored is #45's claims are either false or extremely exaggerated. It's like all of his cabinet live in fear of telling the Emperor is not wearing any clothes. They can't even get the trade deficit numbers correct even from their own data.
 

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It's key to remember that a good portion of the US does not support tariffs against allies. They're on our side. Our economies are too closely intertwined. What the government is choosing to do with sanctions against specific products in areas that Trumps' supporters are based in are the way to respond, not general boycotts of anything and everything American.
As someone that lives 10 minutes away from the border, I did stop going across the line to fill up gas. May cost me an extra $100/month, but I think I can manage that.
 

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Look left. Way left.
I've advocated producing more in this country for decades. We ship out raw materials and buy them back as finished products. This causes us to pay too much and lose out on jobs.
If the Yanks start really pissing us off.......ban electricity exports.....they will start kissing our asses when their ac doesn't work in the sweltering heat!!!!
 

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...they will start kissing our asses when their ac doesn't work in the sweltering heat!!!!
I suppose kissing our asses might be one option, but I don't think it's likely. Another option would be to send their army north. That, no doubt, is also unlikely, but we do live in dangerous times.
 

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Funny years ago someone told me Muslim countries did not have copy-write laws. So anyone could make an copy of a any consumer good, and sell it at a cheaper price. Maybe why America hates the middle east....
 

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listening to a few people far more expert in economics then me,
and there expert opinion is that trade and economies are so complicated, no one really understands it.

explain to me why soft wood lumber tariffs,
it just increases housing prices in the states.

um
a nail plant, they make nails issued lay offs in the states. they could shut there doors in two months, 500 people unemployed, thanks to trumps steel tariffs

I remember a john Wayne movie,
he was a rancher selling cattle to the Mexicans.

some soldier tried to stop him
saying your selling cattle to the Mexicans ahead of the U.S. government.

John Wayne replied, im selling my cattle at two dollars ahead as opposed to a dollar a head.

if it is good enough for John Wayne its good enough for me.
when it comes to sourcing out material or selling you go with the best price, when all other things being equal or not a factor.
 

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Most American Corporations make their products overseas (not in America), they bring the product back and make a killing on the difference between wages in America and the outsourced country. Hence they make big profits.

Logging off government lands in the US cost more because US government charges so much for the companies to log the land. In Canada it is way cheaper to log off government land. Our lumber for the same grade undersales the US companies. They think its unfair, in the past the world trade org has consistently said it is not so. So basically the American lumber companies are whiners. The tarif will raise the price of Cdn lumber and the American gov takes the tax money.

All Trump is doing is creating chaos in his own country. Don't know why, but after he leaves office, it will take 20 years or more for the states to recover from his bullshit short-sighted decisions.

You really want to hurt him, get all the G6 countries to not enforce American patent law. All those patents from the US, gortex, plastics, etc; we could now then make really cheap in our own countries.... Make knock offs.... at less than the inflated price asked of American patents.
 

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Personally, I have always looked at the country of origin before buying. Especially fruits and vegetables which cost a bit more but without supporting our own farms we get what we deserve from California or Mexico. Some products I really like from the USA that would be difficult to not buy because there is no Canadian equivalent.

NPR's take on Canadians now avoiding buying American made products. It's great to see Canada wide, people are buying Canadian first or at least not made in America.

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/28/623518328/canadians-are-livid-about-trump-and-are-hitting-back-by-boycotting-u-s-goods


In a large, brightly lit grocery store in Canada's capital Ottawa, Scott Chamberlain smoothly navigates his shopping cart through the produce section, looking for ingredients to make chili. He snaps up a bag of red peppers, clearly stamped "Product of Canada." But the only onions available are from the U.S. He reaches for Canadian-grown leeks instead.


Chamberlain says he began scouring labels shortly after the Group of 7 summit in Canada in early June, when President Trump called Prime Minister Justin Trudeau "meek and mild" and "dishonest & weak."

Trump Withdraws Endorsement Of G-7 Communique Over Trudeau Statements
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Trump Withdraws Endorsement Of G-7 Communique Over Trudeau Statements
Across Canada, people are increasingly shocked and angry about the way the country is being treated by the Trump administration. They've watched as the U.S. has slapped steep tariffs on Canadian products, listened to President Trump harangue Trudeau and discovered the U.S. now considers their country a national security threat.

Things began to go downhill in late May, when the U.S. imposed tariffs of 25 percent on Canadian steel and 10 percent on aluminum. Trudeau angrily rejected the U.S. rationale for the tariffs — that dependence on other countries' aluminum and steel posed a national security threat — as "insulting and unacceptable."

Trump then lashed out at Trudeau for holding a press conference critical of U.S. trade policies at the G-7. He warned that Trudeau's criticism "[is] going to cost a lot of money for the people of Canada." Trump's trade adviser, Peter Navarro, piled on, saying Trudeau had earned a "special place in hell." Navarro later apologized. But Canadians were outraged.

Now, from British Columbia to Newfoundland, they are protesting the Trump administration with their pocketbooks. The U.S. and Canada trade roughly $2 billion worth of goods and services every day. Chamberlain, a lawyer and father of four, is part of a fast-growing social media movement to buy only Canadian goods. Hashtags include #BuyCanadian, #BoycottUSA and #TrumpFree.

Chamberlain says if he can't find a Canadian product, he'll look for something from elsewhere — as long as it's not from the U.S. He points to a display of cherries in the supermarket.

"Bing cherries or Rainier cherries are probably going to be a product of the United States," Chamberlain says. He decides to buy Mexican grapes. "They're very similar," he says. "Actually, I'll probably end up spending less buying the grapes."

Chamberlain says he was proud of the way Canada supported Trudeau after the G-7 summit. Even Trudeau's political enemies vowed solidarity with the prime minister. And as a personal protest, he decided to boycott American goods.

"Maybe it was a spontaneous act of patriotism," he says.

Many Canadians are wondering how a once-strong relationship with the U.S. has deteriorated so quickly.

"Canadians are livid; the anger is across the country," says Roland Paris, a professor of international affairs at the University of Ottawa and a former foreign policy adviser to Trudeau.

He says Trump may be using tariffs and undignified language as leverage for trade deals, such as the ongoing North American Free Trade Agreement talks, but Canadians are shocked at being treated as an adversary.

"If President Trump's goal is to try to soften up his negotiating partner by issuing threats, it's having the opposite effect, because people are more resolved to stand up against this kind of bullying," he says.

The Canadian government says it will levy dollar-for-dollar retaliatory tariffs against the U.S. on July 1, Canada Day. These will include steel and aluminum, along with other products — such as bourbon from Kentucky — that will particularly hit states aligned with Trump.

Gary Howe, the president of the United Steelworkers Local 1005, in Hamilton, Ontario, says his members aren't panicking yet about a possible trade war with the U.S. The bigger concern is what's happening on the U.S.-Mexico border.

"You know, the kids that are separated from their parents — I mean, it really makes Trump look to be like quite a monster," he says. "I think that most Canadians would kind of view him as ... quite an evil person, you know, because that's the way that the [Canadian] media has been kind of presenting it."

Paris says many Canadians have relatives and friends in the U.S. and understand it is a big and complex country.

"Nevertheless," he says, "the chaos, the meanness, the brutality of American politics right now is something that is profoundly shocking to Canadians and I think many people feel that they do not recognize the U.S. anymore."

Gordon Ritchie, Canada's ambassador for trade negotiations in the 1980s and one of the principal negotiators of the original Canada-U.S. free trade agreement, says the tariffs and tough talk have created a breach of trust — but the relationship will survive.

"I think the Canadian-American relationship — in political and economic terms — is very, very close and it will outlast this president," he says.

In the meantime, he believes Canadians will continue to voice their disapproval with the Trump administration through the #BuyCanadian movement. He predicts that will extend to the tourism industry as well. Three of his neighbors who spend time in Florida every year are now looking for new vacation spots outside the U.S.






explain to me why soft wood lumber tariffs,
it just increases housing prices in the states.
US put tariffs on Canadian softwood lumber mainly because their lumber producers have always run inefficient operations. They haven't really invested in up to date operations in decades. Canadian operations are highly automated and can produce products at a lower price.

In FTA the Americans argued that Canada's foresting is done on Crown land while US operations have purchase the land. Problem is they didn't acknowledge that the US operations get land at a very good rate and also get tax incentives from States to use their forested lands. In the end, Canada still owns the Crown land with operations buying leases for X number of decades.

Harley Davidson is packing up for overseas because of this trade war.

Wish they'd settle for Canada, but the bikes are going to be made in the EU.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics/trump-harley-davidson/index.html
HD has always made products in places like Thailand, South America and other lower cost labour countries.

They are going to make some bikes in the EU mainly to satisfy the EU buyers and not have to price them out of the market by tariffs placed on them by the EU. Gotta remember EU has some premium bike makers in Italy, Germany and UK. As and aside, I always loved the sound of a Harley until I heard a Ducati pass me on the highway. That was a holy fuck moment.
 
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