This is why I'm against the Death Penalty
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Research is your friend now go off and read the long arduous journey for Truscott, Morin and Milgaard. Then come back and post if you will. They were falsely accused, Police implicated them very soon in the investigation and were given a shit deal.
How would you like to be imprisoned unjustly with false evidence? Then again, you just said as much that if Police decide they are scum they no longer have the same rights to a fair trial.
Oh yah, the debate is if we had the Death Penalty; those three guys woul be dead already.
Edit: are you serious? You are ok with Police not reporting something or creating false evidence? Wow! You just can't fix stupid on the internet and that statement is probably the dumbest one on Perb in a very long time!
You are aware that if the police fabricate evidence to convict someone of murder. Even if the police know it wasn't him, but thought he was a scumbag. That does mean the real murderer gets away with it right.....the guy you so want to punish.
They weren't executed because some people care about justice and reject killing the first person at hand so that the case would be "solved". People fought hard to elect MPs that would finally abolish the Death Penalty. People fought hard to ensure that Truscott, Morin and Milgaard would finally be cleared.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Truscott
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Paul_Morin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Milgaard
So it's ok to blatantly troll a thread by throwing out some ridiculous nonsense about the Police being allowed to withhold evidence and manufacture it to ensure conviction of the scum as you see it. You have come up with zero good real life reasons why the Death Penalty would actually benefit society.
Real men can stand by their convictions in a fair and honest way without having a corrupt police state clean up society for their own convenience. You have been watching too many B or C grade vigilante TV shows or movies as apparent by your perception of your manliness.
What kind of "liberal bleeding heart nonsense" is this? All opinions are equally valid? There is no right and wrong? Nothing matters? Every kid in school gets the same marks for their efforts? Every kid at the competition gets the same medal for participation? This will lead us down that rabbit hole of political correctness, you know.
I empathize with the law to be applied equally and not have someone receive punishment for some manufactured illegal reason. I also want the law fully applied to the maximum extent for those who are guilty off all crimes. One can only hope that you have nothing to do with the AG's Dept or any LEO because you would be one bad apple that would need to be tossed.
By saying I am empathetic with criminals, murderers and rapists just so far off base that its not even worth a retort. Yah, you are in fact a Troll and you are trying to goad me into an argument that is baseless of which a banning infraction on Perb is not worthy of my response.
So if another male has an opinion opposite to yours you pull the "feminine" card? Keep believing it, go take another look in the mirror and flex them biceps cause you are the man!
Nice derailment of what was an intelligent adult discussion.
You have no empathy or feelings towards people you don't know personally? Interesting. Could you explain to me exactly why you think this makes an individual 'feminine', or why you would define this as a 'feminine' characteristic? I'm curious.
You might want to read what he wrote........again and then try your question again.
I would guess that apparently "real men" have no feelings or emotions beyond huntin' and protectin' the kids and women-folk (or maybe loyalty to friends?). If this is true, I guess we will have to pass legislation that only women can be in positions of power from now on.
I have read it, several times over. I believe that both my decoding skills (the ability to make sense of written symbols as words) and my reading comprehension skills (the ability to derive meaning from the written word) to be slightly better than the average bear's. The poster said "I don't have to look in the mirror to know that having feelings and empathy for someone I have never met or ever will meet, is feminine.
I am not attacking, defending, supporting or vilifying his opinion. Instead, I am asking him to explain that statement for me. I read, it, I can decode it, but I cannot derive from that simple statement WHY HE FEELS THAT WAY. I would like him to explain it to me, because the statement piqued my interest.
I am not attacking, defending, supporting or vilifying his opinion. Instead, I am asking him to explain that statement for me. I read, it, I can decode it, but I cannot derive from that simple statement WHY HE FEELS THAT WAY. I would like him to explain it to me, because the statement piqued my interest.
Really Ms Erica........where does say he has no feelings or empathy for people he doesn't know ?
He is implying that since he sees a man when he looks in the mirror, he knows that having feelings for those he has not met is feminine. He is masculine. Therefore, he has no feelings or empathy of those he has not met, according to his OWN PREMISE that this is solely a feminine experience. I inferred it from his statement. I am really not looking to participate in or start any pissing contests. I am asking him to tell me more about why he thinks this is..
Maybe he himself could straighten me out if I'm wrong about what he meant, rather than your continuing to berate me for what it is you're inferring from my posts, hmmmm? Otherwise, I suggest we put this horse down.
Maybe he himself could straighten me out if I'm wrong about what he meant, rather than your continuing to berate me for what it is you're inferring from my posts, hmmmm? Otherwise, I suggest we put this horse down.
Heh.....he obviously doesn't know what the word "empathy" means
What he is saying, is that as a man, if he sees a child drowning, and he doesn't know that child, he would walk on by whistling cheerfully to mask the cries, because he is not a woman. A woman on the other hand, would dive in and save that child. You, know, because empathy for strangers is women's work, and he would not want to be confused with a woman in any way
That is absolute nonsense. Most men are empathic. There is a sizable minority who are sociopaths who see themselves as "real men", but they are not, they are just sociopaths. Most men are not like that. The man who lacks empathy is the outlier, not the median.
There are just as many women who lack empathy as men, but the arena and manner they express that in is different because men and women usually occupy different roles in society. They are commonly known as "bitches". No doubt they see themselves as "real women" too, but again, they are just a sizable minority who are not representative. How many women do you know who are like that? Plenty, I'm sure.
What confuses people are the general social roles occupied by men and women, and the traditional (in other words, 40s or 50s attitudes) "proper" behaviour in those roles. Men are expected to be mindless thugs and women are expected to be mindless nurturing mothers. Some are like that and see themselves as "typical", but they are not. Most people, both men and women, don't exhibit "proper" behaviour in their traditional role, or even when outside their traditional role.
You don't need to lack empathy to dominate in business or to fight wars or to compete. The objective for success in business, competition, or war for that matter, is not to hurt people, it is to build. People who resort to criminality in behaviour may have moderate success for some time through intimidation or trickery, but invariably they fail precisely because they lack empathy. Eventually their peers get sick of their behaviour and boot their ass. Sociopathic behaviour is not a prerequisite for success, and most sociopaths are not particularly successful - they usually end up near the bottom of the social ladder. The primary prerequisite for success is vision, and the ability to persuade your peers to see that vision (otherwise known as charisma).
Haven't read the entire thread but here's why I'm in favor of it.
And in cases like this the slower and more painful the better.
http://www.winnipegsun.com/2014/04/...-could-enhance-risk-for-violence-psych-report
And in cases like this the slower and more painful the better.
http://www.winnipegsun.com/2014/04/...-could-enhance-risk-for-violence-psych-report
