The tax rate in Canada is already way too high. The other option for the government is to cut spending.
Where should those cuts be?
Where should those cuts be?
The Canadian Government needs to cut spending. Now where to start?
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https://www.thepostmillennial.com/t...lion-of-frivolous-items-with-taxpayers-money/
To start...
Elected officials need at least a 25% pay cut.
To start...
Elected officials need at least a 25% pay cut.
how about we stop giving welfare to people already making the median or above income
he is increasing the bribes by 3+Billion this yr alone, that doesn't include what he added in the last 4
and just like all other addicts, once someone gets a taste, they don't want to give it up
add up the bribes to old people welfare, OAS, then the one for being able to reproduce
$52.2 billion: Projected old age security spending this year, this is from 3 yrs ago, National Post article
That's because virtually every Canadian aged 65 and older is entitled to a pension payment that currently amounts to nearly $584 a month. Only those with an individual annual income over $121,279 aren't eligible to receive OAS
The program is expected to cost the government $22.4 billion next year — its first full year. The value of the benefit drops as incomes grow, phasing out entirely around $189,000, according to the government's online benefits calculator, this is from that right wing nut job the CBC 4yrs ago, when it was proposed
and that doesn't include all the corporate welfare, waste, overpaid public sector workers, benefits the rest of the public can't dream of
not to mention all the billions he's announce to give to the 3rd world trying to secure a security council seat, make himself look woke, ect....
let's get back all the money from the MP's pensions they didn't actually contribute to over the last 40yrs
cut the EI premiums, quit giving EI to the same repeat rats who go on it seasonally
more you use, less you get till you get nothing, then stop the current gov't using it as a slush fund
yeah, no fat to cut, Michael Wernick, remember, that was the cream of the crop in the public service, the guy who didn't wear a wire to work :whoo:
he is increasing the bribes by 3+Billion this yr alone, that doesn't include what he added in the last 4
and just like all other addicts, once someone gets a taste, they don't want to give it up
add up the bribes to old people welfare, OAS, then the one for being able to reproduce
$52.2 billion: Projected old age security spending this year, this is from 3 yrs ago, National Post article
That's because virtually every Canadian aged 65 and older is entitled to a pension payment that currently amounts to nearly $584 a month. Only those with an individual annual income over $121,279 aren't eligible to receive OAS
The program is expected to cost the government $22.4 billion next year — its first full year. The value of the benefit drops as incomes grow, phasing out entirely around $189,000, according to the government's online benefits calculator, this is from that right wing nut job the CBC 4yrs ago, when it was proposed
and that doesn't include all the corporate welfare, waste, overpaid public sector workers, benefits the rest of the public can't dream of
not to mention all the billions he's announce to give to the 3rd world trying to secure a security council seat, make himself look woke, ect....
let's get back all the money from the MP's pensions they didn't actually contribute to over the last 40yrs
cut the EI premiums, quit giving EI to the same repeat rats who go on it seasonally
more you use, less you get till you get nothing, then stop the current gov't using it as a slush fund
yeah, no fat to cut, Michael Wernick, remember, that was the cream of the crop in the public service, the guy who didn't wear a wire to work :whoo:
Quantify "way too high" - compared to what? And which one - corporate or personal?
OECD average tax rate runs @ 25.5% and Canada is actually below that @ around 23%. (see page 10 of OECD 2019 tax study below)
https://www.oecd.org/tax/tax-policy/taxing-wages-brochure.pdf
US comes in a few ticks higher, BUT their medical system is not free. 67% of personal bankruptcies in America are tied to medical debt.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/10/ame...dical-debt-what-to-know-if-you-need-help.html
OECD average tax rate runs @ 25.5% and Canada is actually below that @ around 23%. (see page 10 of OECD 2019 tax study below)
https://www.oecd.org/tax/tax-policy/taxing-wages-brochure.pdf
US comes in a few ticks higher, BUT their medical system is not free. 67% of personal bankruptcies in America are tied to medical debt.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/10/ame...dical-debt-what-to-know-if-you-need-help.html
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Personally I pay high 30s just in income tax, plus the full CPP and EI amounts, plus another what, 12% in sales taxes, and over $6K a year to the city for local taxes and services. For that I get ... nothing other than roads and, theoretically, police and fire protection, which mostly or all come out of the municipal taxes. I find that to be way too much for very little in return.
Canadian government needs Right to Work legislation that can allow Canadian labour to compete internationally and create real talent through out the Canadian labour force. Jobs that produce the wealth that Canadians currently consume.
Think about it. If folks aren't producing what is consumed, tell me what is giving the Canadian dollar any value to buy all the imported products that Canadian consume. Resources of the land and sea have to be strip mined. Real estate has to be sold to oligarchs who have grown rich off the toil of virtual slave labour elsewhere. In virtually every job a Canadian does, the Canadian is a selling agent for a foreign corporation. If you want more pay, you're bilking the employer that has been producing the products that you consume and the price of products go up. Taxes are a fantasy. Everybody is on welfare, paid by a government that condones exploiting environment and morality to give the Canadian dollar any value for Canadians to buy imports. Canadians have to recover an export manufacturing economy. Right to Work is place to start.
Think about it. If folks aren't producing what is consumed, tell me what is giving the Canadian dollar any value to buy all the imported products that Canadian consume. Resources of the land and sea have to be strip mined. Real estate has to be sold to oligarchs who have grown rich off the toil of virtual slave labour elsewhere. In virtually every job a Canadian does, the Canadian is a selling agent for a foreign corporation. If you want more pay, you're bilking the employer that has been producing the products that you consume and the price of products go up. Taxes are a fantasy. Everybody is on welfare, paid by a government that condones exploiting environment and morality to give the Canadian dollar any value for Canadians to buy imports. Canadians have to recover an export manufacturing economy. Right to Work is place to start.
I wont even get into details as I would just get myself worked up and pissed off.
Best path forward.....TRIM THE FAT....wont happen though as the Lieberals just plain love a bloated bureaucracy type of government.How may Government jobs got created to administer the Carbon Tax....fuck I dont want to even think about that one...kind of like how many cushy union Civic jobs got added to take care of the bike lanes.Pigs feeding at the trough and nothing more whilst none of them do a hard days work.
This is the mantra of the Fred Birch Society that I speak...I guess until we all show up with blazing torches and pitch forks in outright rebellion we wont get any tangible results.
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Best path forward.....TRIM THE FAT....wont happen though as the Lieberals just plain love a bloated bureaucracy type of government.How may Government jobs got created to administer the Carbon Tax....fuck I dont want to even think about that one...kind of like how many cushy union Civic jobs got added to take care of the bike lanes.Pigs feeding at the trough and nothing more whilst none of them do a hard days work.
This is the mantra of the Fred Birch Society that I speak...I guess until we all show up with blazing torches and pitch forks in outright rebellion we wont get any tangible results.
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Yeah you are just clueless and dont pay attention.I could pick apart your statement 6 ways from Sunday but I wont be bothered to to so.Hey for shits and giggles do you think the purchase of 3 mothballed submarines from the British Navy that sat dockside for 3+ years was a good "smart" purchase?That "deal" happened under a Lieberal Government....hey how about the Lieberal Government action of replacing the Sea King fleet of helicopters....fuck that took 10+ years with no results.
Just giving my $2 worth of say as .02 dont buy you jack shit these days.
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you're wrong about the replacement of the sea king. it was a 50 year-old workhorse that was replaced by the sikorsky cyclone, a fully glass cockpit with capabilities that the venerable sea king could only dream of. the government had to rebuild the entire hangars with the workshops and machining facilities from scratch. the new generation of maritime helo pilots will tell you that they're finally flying something modern for a change.
it was also the liberals that reversed the military spending cuts to launch the new fighter aircraft project, which brought the hornets to our country.
when it comes to military spending, i'd go with the liberals. as for everything else, it doesn't matter because all of these parties are shit
it was also the liberals that reversed the military spending cuts to launch the new fighter aircraft project, which brought the hornets to our country.
when it comes to military spending, i'd go with the liberals. as for everything else, it doesn't matter because all of these parties are shit
I really don't care if it is Liberal or Conservative government who did it. That is clearly your problem only. And that is why you are the one who don't see things clearly through your hate coloured glasses.
Anyway, all I am saying is, if we are in trouble and need to cut spending as OP says, cut the military spending before you start cutting the Old Age Security and EI.
The solution can't always be to cut services to most vulnerable people in the society first, while keep wasting money on unnecessary things like F35s or deploying troops overseas. Or rusty submarines or new helicopters, ... Or bloated MP salaries and government bureaucracy. I agree there of course.
Just giving my $2 worth of say as .02 don't buy you jack shit these days. :shrug:
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I don't think you realize how much Canada already underspends on military expenditures compared to other first world countries, or how dangerous the world is.
Canada needs new ships. The last ships purchased for the Navy were 35 years ago. Do you realize that China is trying to claim almost the entire China sea as their ocean? The only thing keeping international shipping lanes open in that area, which is vital for WORLDWIDE trade, which INCLUDES Canada, is a military presence in the international waters. By the time the Type 26 frigates come online, the City Class frigates will be approaching 45 years old.
Canada has finally decided to upgrade its icebreakers because the Northwest Passage is opening up, and we don't have any ships that can monitor or patrol the passage the way the Russians can, who by the way have the most capable icebreakers in the world.
Last year, the Russians started successfully fielding stealth aircraft. An American Hercules in international airspace was shadowed by one and was only picked up visually by the Hercules copilot. That's why the requirement for 65 F35's has increased to 88 for Canada.
The world stage is no different than a school playground with no teachers. The weak get picked on. If Canada doesn't show it has some military capability that can contribute to it's allies, we will be walked over.
The fact is, military equipment needs to be replaced because of old age. You seem to have forgotten how the Liberal fiasco with the delay in replacing the Search and Rescue Labradors resulted in the loss of life of an entire crew because of it's age. That's what finally spurred the Cormorant program to move ahead again. The only time all the Labradors in Trenton were all airworthy was on their retirement day. Even then, all 5 couldn't stay up for the scheduled final flypast time and it was cut short.
The Buffalos will be 50 years old by the time they are replaced by the C295 fixed wing Search and Rescue aircraft. 50 years is a long time for an airframe that's mission is low altitude flying in the mountain terrain of British Columbia or the stormy weather over the Atlantic.
Open your eyes.
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To respond DIRECTLY about a point/topic he specified and that being EI.Employment Insurance is not a "Social Benefit".EI is a line item tax deduction of the average Canadian's pay check.When you get paid you get stuck with paying for EI or UI as it used to be called.Collecting EI is a whole different matter....if you got fired good fucking luck....same goes if you quit your job because it sucked or you were not happy.....fuck you would be better off coming up with a fantasy of saying you are a hetrosexual male who identifies as a female and who likes to have sex with other females and launching a human rights tribunal case because that just how fucked up our society is these days.
EI is nothing but a line item tax on what you get paid.....damn glad I have not been saddled with that for the last 20 years.Keep it up buttercup....keep paying into the system and being fucked over....damn glad I got to skip out on that....and jury duty as well if it were imposed upon me.
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EI is nothing but a line item tax on what you get paid.....damn glad I have not been saddled with that for the last 20 years.Keep it up buttercup....keep paying into the system and being fucked over....damn glad I got to skip out on that....and jury duty as well if it were imposed upon me.
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The bolded statement is simply not true. Just like the rest of the post, actually.
Anyway, scare tactics to boost military spending is nothing new. Sadly it works on many people.
If we are in fact in trouble, don't have enough money and have to cut spending, like the OP claims, than we can't afford the unnecessary extravagant and fancy military. All there is to it.
At least bring our troops home.
Rhetoric like this one, are the reason why conservatives lose election after election and than constantly whine and cry about it. Open your eyes, to quote your friend.
You're right.
It was 37 years ago when the first City Class frigates, the only bluewater capable Navy ships we have, were purchased. Not 35 years ago. Contract was signed in 1983. Ships, aircraft and military vehicles are long lead items. You don't just hand out a contract and then expect delivery the next month. It takes years before anything will be delivered. The Type 26 which Canada has committed to has no projected date of delivery. The City Class frigates will likely serve close to 45 years before they are paid off.
Educate yourself. Canada had the highest time PT6 engine in the WORLD on a Hercules aircraft until it was finally replaced by the new J series Hercules.
The HMCS Regina needed to buy a commercial generator in Japan to make it back to Canada because they couldn't repair the one on the ship.
Our sole interim supply ship, the Asterix (which is being leased by the Navy and thus not titled HMCS), isn't allowed in combat zones because it's a commercial ship conversion and not up to military damage control standards.
The Canadian Army had to borrow Leopard 2 tanks from the Germans during Afghanistan to provide adequate support.
Canada has an extravagant and fancy military? Get real. We have a military that's operating on a shoe string budget and have no sophisticated cyber warfare or intelligence capability. We have only a few domestic technological pioneers. Almost all the military technology is the result of transfer of knowledge from purchase agreements. We are far behind in spending and capability compared to our NATO partners.
You need to open your mind and find out what's happening in the world. Britain has decided it is necessary to field two new carriers, the Queen Elizabeth and the Prince of Whales. The largest Gurhka intake in 30 years happened in 2020 in Britain. All countries are ramping up on spending because countries like Russia have decided to annex the Crimea from the Ukraine, and because China wants to claim international waters as territorial waters. Let's not forget about North Korea firing missiles near Japan.
Japan by the way, will soon have two ships capable of carrying F35 fighters shortly in an effort to deal with China's expansion. The first fixed wing capable ships since WWII.
If Canada doesn't want to appear any weaker than it already is. The country needs to have the equipment to help with international efforts to combat pirates in the Gulf, patrol the South China Sea and show solidarity with our European partners by fielding combat capable troops, and that means sending them overseas to integrate and fight with our allies.
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Nope it was 1992 to 1996 when cpf s are delivered. That is 24 to 27 years. That is not unreasonable. You dont buy high tech fullynloaded battle ships every day. So you were trying to deceive us with false incorrect numbers. Also not sure they were the last ships purchased. British submarines were certainly later than that.
And stop with silly fearmongering. It does not work. We spend too much on military we dont need and cant afford. If we need to cut the spending that is where it should be done before anything else. End of story.
And stop with silly fearmongering. It does not work. We spend too much on military we dont need and cant afford. If we need to cut the spending that is where it should be done before anything else. End of story.
I stand by my statement. The last SHIPS were PURCHASED in 1983. Their hulls were in the water starting in 1987.
The Upholder class submarines, known as BOATS in the Navy were purchased, commissioned and decommissioned by the British BEFORE all the City Class Frigates were all Commissioned. They're just as old or older than the frigates!
I'm also not fearmongering.
It wasn't me that decided 6 Harry DeWolfe, icebreaker capable ships to patrol the Northwest Passage were needed by the RCN in addition to the 15 Type 26 Frigates. I didn't authorize the increase in the number of fighters to 88 either.
I'm stating facts. Facts like the Canadian Forces are in no way an extravagant and fancy military.
If you stepped foot on a Canadian military base, which you can do as long as you don't go into the operational areas, it would be readily apparent to you they are underfunded.
