Organizing the Trade against Harper

newatit

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After bill C36 I can't believe any poorer or SP would vote Harper. So are the SP trade organizing to get members a voting card and to the polls. Pooners could offer help
 

sdw

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After bill C36 I can't believe any poorer or SP would vote Harper. So are the SP trade organizing to get members a voting card and to the polls. Pooners could offer help
I hope you remember that the Liberals and the NDP fully supported making prostitution illegal for both men and women.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/chris-selley-it-aint-easy-being-the-change-candidate
Mr. Trudeau has in the past referred to “prostitution itself” as “a form of violence against women,” and said his party wasn’t closed-minded towards the Nordic model on which C-36 is loosely (some say badly) based. But the Liberals are voting against the bill. Mr. Trudeau says it doesn’t do enough to protect prostitutes from violence, which was the Supreme Court’s primary concern.

So what would he do differently? “We’re looking forward to debating and trying to push this government into improving [the bill] according to what research and what citizen and advocacy groups across the spectrum have talked about,” he said recently. NDP leader Thomas Mulcair has struck a similar note, urging the Conservatives to send C-36 straight to the Supreme Court, so “we can all know whether we’re on solid ground.” But what if the Supreme Court said it was constitutional? Would all the bill’s impassioned, placard-wielding critics just shrug and go for coffee?
You won't find any politicians in Canada that openly support anything other than the "Nordic Model", they may spend their lunch hour at the local AMP - but they will never vote to allow someone's daughter to prostitute herself.
 

ignatiusriley

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I hope you remember that the Liberals and the NDP fully supported making prostitution illegal for both men and women.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/chris-selley-it-aint-easy-being-the-change-candidate


You won't find any politicians in Canada that openly support anything other than the "Nordic Model", they may spend their lunch hour at the local AMP - but they will never vote to allow someone's daughter to prostitute herself.
My personal opinion is that neither the Liberals nor the NDP would attempt to craft a law that in substance may respect the decision of the SCC, but in spirit will soon be overturned. Harper constantly panders to his base. Who other than his base really thinks prostitution is an issue worthy of criminalization?
 

newatit

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No I had not realized that the other parties held this view and in fact the tone on the Ndp opposition to bill C36 seemed to be quite the opposite last September. Politically yes I can see the situation but legally if the bill is overturned then it might just turn into a leave it alone deal
 

sdw

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No I had not realized that the other parties held this view and in fact the tone on the Ndp opposition to bill C36 seemed to be quite the opposite last September. Politically yes I can see the situation but legally if the bill is overturned then it might just turn into a leave it alone deal
What the NDP wanted was more money for transition houses. Their "Plan" (according to Hansard) was that once a Woman or Girl had been "rescued", it would be illegal for her to re-enter the sex trade. So, the "Transition Houses" would, in reality, be female prisons for Women and Girls that had never had a day in court and had never been found guilty (by a Court of Law) of anything.

The Liberals believe that a Woman or Girl is brutalized by having sex. Therefore if a man dates a woman, buys dinner and a movie, and succeeds at getting the Woman into bed - he's a brutal sex offender.

I really think you should look at the "Star Chamber" that the Liberals and NDP set up when two male Liberal MPs tried to have sex with two female NDP MPs. Both men were found guilty by young Trudeau and kicked out of the Liberal caucus, the NDP fought bitterly to ensure that there was no trial. After all, they were Men - of course they are guilty.

There are many reasons to consider voting NDP instead of Conservative or Liberal in this Federal Election. Decriminalization of Prostitution is not one of them.

I dug up two TV reports on the 2 Liberal MPs. The Global report is early (day of Trudeau's announcement) The CBC report is after the "Star Chamber" had decided the 2 MPs fate.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1654831/l...-caucus-amid-personal-misconduct-allegations/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mas...liberal-caucus-for-good-sources-say-1.2999426

Note that no hearing was ever held with the 2 accused MPs in attendance, the 2 "victimized" MPs were never named, never questioned, never even had to say what happened.

Trials are so inefficient, why bother with them when we all know that Men are always guilty of being Brutal users of Women and Girls?
 
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Oldfart

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All right-thinking people want to jettison Harper.
The challenge is that with our current first past the post electoral system, the Liberals, NDP and Greens could split the non-conservative vote.
What's needed is a small 'L' liberal coalition, which is highly unlikely to happen.
 

sdw

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All right-thinking people want to jettison Harper.
The challenge is that with our current first past the post electoral system, the Liberals, NDP and Greens could split the non-conservative vote.
What's needed is a small 'L' liberal coalition, which is highly unlikely to happen.
The NDP has a much better chance of winning against Harper than the Liberals. People want Change - not - More of the Same
 

CJ Tylers

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All right-thinking people want to jettison Harper.
The challenge is that with our current first past the post electoral system, the Liberals, NDP and Greens could split the non-conservative vote.
What's needed is a small 'L' liberal coalition, which is highly unlikely to happen.
While I agree with you, saying "right thinking" is insulting to Conservative voters. Once you insult someone, it gets harder to change their mind.
 

AmethystAngel

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Trudeau is so pretty, why does he ruin it by talking?
Didn't P.E.Trudeau say the government has no place in the bedrooms of the nation? Some people's children.
 

westwoody

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"The Trade" is such a trivial minority it does not matter to any party. They will get a lot more votes pandering to the stereotypes that the mass electorate believes in.

Canadians are worried about losing their jobs, paying for school, health care, senior care, and a lot about pensions. Sex workers' rights are not on their radar. I bet 99% of Canadians would not know what C36 is. They have a lot more immediate priorities.
 

newatit

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A hear a lot of people wanting to vote green over the disenchanted feelings against the others. I have never considered it but u just never know. They could end up being part of a coalition and get their way on a few things. But no party is likely to get their way after this next election completely
 
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