Finally the court got it right with Trudeau’s useless Carbon tax. It does nothing but punish the average citizen for trying to keep their house warm in winter and get themselves to work everyday. Good on Jason Kenney for standing up to Trudeau and getting it removed
Federal Carbon Tax Ruled Unconstitutional in Alberta
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Oh I understand that. BUT... 1) it can still be appealed, 2) they can tweak the law, 3) protests and blockades. What don't YOU understand about the way things work in Canada these days?
I'm sorry but I've become EXTREMELY cynical lately. One victory (e.g. by a pipeline) always seems to be met with more legal challenges and protests and etc., etc., etc. I'm amazed, for example, that ANYONE wants to build a pipeline in Canada any more. It's no wonder Tech Frontier withdrew their project. If the legal system fails to stop any oil/gas projects, protests and blockades will. Any significant project will either be stopped or be dragged through years and years of approval processes, legal problems, or negative public opinion. It seems hopeless sometimes.
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This court decision will be taken to the Supreme Court in short order.The decision was 4-1 in favor of Alberta.When it comes down to Brass Tacks the Carbon Tax is just another TAX.It does nothing with regards to reducing emissions it just TAXES all Canadians to heat their homes and drive their automobiles.It is not directed nor targets industry or the heavy polluters.It is a virtue signal and nothing more.It is a joke as Canada produces 2% of Global GHG emissions and at the same time the northern boreal forest cleans up 50% of worldwide GHG emissions.....those pesky invisible gasses that are CO2 that plants/trees/shrubs feed on and gain life from and ALL humans emit to LIVE whilst breathing in oxygen which all plant life gives off.
The 3rd rock from the sun has been around for BILLIONS of years and mankind had been on it for a couple of THOUSAND years and only partially industrialised for 100 years and I say partially as there are many places you can go where they have no fucking clue what electricity IS.The climate on this planet has changed over BILLIONS of years and it will continue to change....and change....and change....and no some celebrity who virtue signals will stop that.
Climate change will continue but now it no longer has anything to do with "science" it is now a political issue and that it is what is missing from the discussion especially when the mantra is being pushed and propagandized by the leftist MEDIA.The "science" is not "settled" and the debate and discussion should not be shut down or the like.
For all of the doom saying predictions over the last 30 years NONE of them have proven true or come to pass.The very idea that "mankind" for all it damages this planet will cause it's doom is utter bullshit.What was more real and more catastrophic was the idea of Nuclear War....thankfully smart people pointed out that it would lead to MAD...Mutually Assured Destruction.
According to the doomsaying idiots behind Extinction Revolution.....EVERY living thing on this world will be DEAD in exactly 12 years from now.....that filthy SOCIALIST mob of nutjobs has decreed it to be true....so skip your financial planning etc....dont even think about retirement after working for say 30 years and you have to work another 15....dont fucking bother to do so....just sell your home and go to Las Vegas in 11 years and 8 mothns and BLOW eberything because the WORLD is going to end and ALL life will be destroyed in the blink of an eye in exactly 12 years.
SR
The 3rd rock from the sun has been around for BILLIONS of years and mankind had been on it for a couple of THOUSAND years and only partially industrialised for 100 years and I say partially as there are many places you can go where they have no fucking clue what electricity IS.The climate on this planet has changed over BILLIONS of years and it will continue to change....and change....and change....and no some celebrity who virtue signals will stop that.
Climate change will continue but now it no longer has anything to do with "science" it is now a political issue and that it is what is missing from the discussion especially when the mantra is being pushed and propagandized by the leftist MEDIA.The "science" is not "settled" and the debate and discussion should not be shut down or the like.
For all of the doom saying predictions over the last 30 years NONE of them have proven true or come to pass.The very idea that "mankind" for all it damages this planet will cause it's doom is utter bullshit.What was more real and more catastrophic was the idea of Nuclear War....thankfully smart people pointed out that it would lead to MAD...Mutually Assured Destruction.
According to the doomsaying idiots behind Extinction Revolution.....EVERY living thing on this world will be DEAD in exactly 12 years from now.....that filthy SOCIALIST mob of nutjobs has decreed it to be true....so skip your financial planning etc....dont even think about retirement after working for say 30 years and you have to work another 15....dont fucking bother to do so....just sell your home and go to Las Vegas in 11 years and 8 mothns and BLOW eberything because the WORLD is going to end and ALL life will be destroyed in the blink of an eye in exactly 12 years.
SR
The federal carbon tax was ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court of one province. Supreme courts in two other provinces have ruled it constitutional. It can't be constitutional in one part of the country and unconstitutional in other parts, so the Supreme Court of Canada will have to rule, and in fact the case is already before that court.
Do yourself a favor and set their profiles on ignore so they can chat in their own private corner.
A good book to read about environmental disasters is Collapse by Jared Diamond. He talks about Polynesian culture and why it is the way it is. The separation of women and men to prevent overpopulation, the hunting of fish and animals only during certain seasons to ensure that the natural world is abundant in animal life. The treeless land of Easter Island. An pacific island that suffer severe environmental damage due to its lose of trees and overpopulation. And gold mining in Colorado, where mining companies from NY state (in 50 and 60's) came in and mined away, left toxic sludge pits and the money made disappeared under shell corporations. The state of Colorado had to pay for the removal of these toxic sludge pits.
The carbon tax is just a revenue grab. Apparently the promise is to return it at the end of the year to the families, its like saying I'm holding your money and making interest on it. Instead they should take the tax in invest it in Canadian projects that are good for the environment. Wind/Solar/Geothermal farms. An fully electric transportation system instead of diesel engines for trains. A national system for storing renewable energy produced. Super highway to be built the north to access northern resources.
A national recycling system, where everything can get recycled including plastic bags (which end up in the landfill here in Victoria, because the local recycling place does not take them).
There is a story that here Victoria a person opened up a recycling place for drywall, he rented the land. after a few years he declared bankruptcy and left all that drywall for the landowner to clean up. This asshole made money hand over fist and ran away. He wanted to be rich and left a bad environmental footprint for someone else to cleanup.
The rich come in and make their money (might be a year, 5 years or 25 years) and then they are gone and there are environmental cesspits that the government/local people that are left behind have to clean up. The rich move on to cleaner lands to make better profits.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/rock-bay-clean-up-1.3665990
That is just an example of the environmental damage that was done years ago, when the thing was to just dump the chemicals into the water or drain. Now every company has to have a plan to clean up its chemicals and accidental spills so as not to harm the environment. Now everybody in the workplace (the employee) has to be Whmis trained and know how to read an MSDS sheet.
The carbon tax should be used to further environmental awareness and create things good for the environment.
DO SOMETHING GOOD WITH THE CARBON TAX, don't waste it. Fuck start a Canadian space program, if it would work.....
The carbon tax is just a revenue grab. Apparently the promise is to return it at the end of the year to the families, its like saying I'm holding your money and making interest on it. Instead they should take the tax in invest it in Canadian projects that are good for the environment. Wind/Solar/Geothermal farms. An fully electric transportation system instead of diesel engines for trains. A national system for storing renewable energy produced. Super highway to be built the north to access northern resources.
A national recycling system, where everything can get recycled including plastic bags (which end up in the landfill here in Victoria, because the local recycling place does not take them).
There is a story that here Victoria a person opened up a recycling place for drywall, he rented the land. after a few years he declared bankruptcy and left all that drywall for the landowner to clean up. This asshole made money hand over fist and ran away. He wanted to be rich and left a bad environmental footprint for someone else to cleanup.
The rich come in and make their money (might be a year, 5 years or 25 years) and then they are gone and there are environmental cesspits that the government/local people that are left behind have to clean up. The rich move on to cleaner lands to make better profits.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/rock-bay-clean-up-1.3665990
That is just an example of the environmental damage that was done years ago, when the thing was to just dump the chemicals into the water or drain. Now every company has to have a plan to clean up its chemicals and accidental spills so as not to harm the environment. Now everybody in the workplace (the employee) has to be Whmis trained and know how to read an MSDS sheet.
The carbon tax should be used to further environmental awareness and create things good for the environment.
DO SOMETHING GOOD WITH THE CARBON TAX, don't waste it. Fuck start a Canadian space program, if it would work.....
lol, don't waste it, pretty much the def of a canadian space program
unless of course we develop a rocket system to dump our garbage in space, one way trip to the sun
with seats for politicians :heh:
the carbon tax does nothing to reduce emissions, if it did we'd have reductions in BC, we don't
their emissions are rising again, after an initial fall, flat lining, it's no longer revenue neutral with the Greedy NDP,not that it ever was, just like the Trudeau Liberals plan isn't
the GST, PST on top, will never make it revenue neutral
plus some people don't qualify at all, based on income, some just aren't worthy
and if, the little pipeline gets built, the LNG plant gets running, the emissions in BC will be blown out of the water
one plant, remember there were plans for what 5-6?
the carbon tax does nothing to address that, welcome to Alberta, lol
but it's all about saving the world, one straw at a time :flypig:
Well, I agree with this absolutely. I have no problem with the idea of a carbon tax, but the rebates are mostly bullshit.
Making carbon fuels more expensive (thus reducing demand) is only half the equation. It can really only work if they take that money and plow it into projects that convert the economy to a much more carbon-clean one.
Convert the fossil fuel-based power grid to clean energy with that money. Build charging infrastructure for electric vehicles with that money. Fund the R&D of electric vehicles that can be built by Canadian auto workers, with that money. Add more mass-transit systems like Skytrain with that money. Start putting self-sustaining power sources in remote locations with that money. Convert ferry fleets to electric and hydrogen fuel cells with that money. ... There are so many things that need to be done, and right now, not 20 years down the road.
Do we see all that money put into action? Nah, they'd rather send back rebate cheques to people, like some kind of half-assed apology. Dumb tactics, really. If the thing is necessary & right, then there is no apology needed.
The only people who actually need those rebate cheques are those who live in such remote areas that there is literally no prospect of transit service or clean power (yet).
So while I am a fan of carbon taxes, I don't look at Justin Trudeau's version and say that it is good enough. It's not. It's too low, and moving things too slow. The whole purpose is to accelerate the change, not dick around for a decade or two while passively waiting for big business to do these things on their own.
They could have silenced all the criticism by doing it right. Of course, do the federal Liberals ever do things that are clear, bold, and decisive? No.
This is a misleading assertion. The BC carbon tax did work to reduce emissions in BC. The province may have the same total emissions now as we did when it started, but BC also added 700000 more people to its population at the same time. Normally that would mean a massive increase in emissions.
But yeah, this whole "revenue neutral" thing is bullshit. Honestly, who cares if it is or not ? That's an election campaign talking point, not a policy.
it isn't misleading, it's a fact, emissions are rising
they went down, flattened, are now rising, will rise further, facts
the gov'ts own data shows that, the eco zealots too
look at the amount of gas/diesel sold in the province, went back to the previous levels
that doesn't include all the cross border gas either
and will rise even further with the one little LNG plant, gas pipeline they are building
the point of the carbon tax is to reduce emissions, it isn't doing that, it never will
unless it is so high that behaviour change is the only alternative, which will never happen
and the amount of people shouldn't matter
it's total emissions that matter
what's going to be your misleading excuse for the LNG plant emissions to come?
not to mention TMX, lol
you can't blame that on more people, how's the carbon tax going to reduce those emissions? lol
cause it ain't local remember Greta :drama:
800 a year isn't going to change anyone's behaviour
who here is driving less? eating less? gone completely solar? wind? meatless? no food from more than 100 miles? no NLG? no TV? no vampire electronics?
no air travel, train, public transit? could go on, but why
800/yr won't help with any of that enough to get you as far as you can spit a watermelon seed
and offsets like the current poser buys, doesn't make a difference, he's still emitting on his travelling to BC to go surfing in Tofino, not to mention everywhere else where he accomplishes nothing of note, the other vacations
just like BC residents are still emitting, they just got used to paying the tax
it's just another part of doing business
the 1% that might change their behaviour, would have done so anyway
the posers will stop using straws and eat a beyond meat burger every once in a while and delude themselves into thinking they are saving the world from us "settlers"
the real reductions are coming from tech/innovations, getting rid of coal mainly, slowly, industry
not individuals being taxed to do things they can't change
like driving/heating their home/water/insulation/windows/solar panels/EV/ect....
with a measly 800/yr
the liberals cratering our economy will help
Those graphs do look moderately positive. The carbon tax was introduced in 2008, though. I don't see much of a drop after that except the drop due to the recession.
I would discourage anyone from doing this. Don't create an echo chamber where you only surround yourself with like-minded people. Engage and discuss with people opposed to your viewpoint. Society is polarized enough as it is without adding to the polarization.
The Carbon Tax was introduced to change peoples behaviour. It doesn't change how far you drive to work, but will encourage one to look for a more fuel efficient vehicle when it's time to get a new car, or consolidate trips to the grocery store. Think twice about going for a nice Sunday drive.
Ray;2074003** The Carbon Tax was introduced to change peoples behaviour. It doesn't change how far you drive to work said:
Look beyond the first graph and the results have been progressively better, than compare it with carbon tax free Alberta over the same time frame.
Alberta was massively growing oil output through 2012 at least. Of course their emissions went up. Again, nothing to do with a carbon tax.
People aren't going to stop driving or heating their houses just due to a tax. They will cut back everything else first.
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