Every John, Dick & Harry - CIM Syndrome.......

[Bad Santa]

I've noticed how more and more SPs are advertising BBBJs with a CIM finish. I'm sure this increases their business, thus they advertise it. I know from reading reviews that a lot of guys demand this service.

I just want SPs to be aware though, that there are also a significant number of us guys who will deliberately avoid seeing any SP who advertises or practices these services. And the many great ladies who will only allow CBJs definitely benefit from our patronage as some of the busiest SPs around DO NOT offer BBBJs or CIM.

To the SPs who don't mind the increased STD risk involved with offering these services , all I will say is, Good Luck to you, because luck is all that's protecting you!

And to the guys who love their CIM girls, let the CBJ girls have their fun too! Many of us enjoy it that way!

The real point of this thread is that SPs realize they may actually lose some business if they do CIM service because some of us will not see you if we know you are doing this!

So if all the "Risky Business" is what you seek, go for it, there are many extraordinarily successful SPs who don't offer BBBJ or CIM and they're doing just fine, thank you! And pooners like myself are grateful for that!

 

[Gomez Adams]

I may offer it BBBJ/CIM but NOT everyone gets it

nice, you false advertise too then, good to know.

 

[shyboy123]

BBBJ/CIM feels awesome, but to me is not worth the risk for either party. While I don't begrudge anyone wanting that or willing to do it, I typically sway more in the direction of playing as safe as I can. If I go see a girl that does offer this, I am usually not into kissing as much, and I opt for CBJ anyhow.

As for girls that may offer BBBJ/CIM also willing to do BBFS, that is a stretch.

If I was choosing a girl to spend time with, I would prefer one that is not scared of my penis and puts on the condom at first opportunity. That just makes me feel like she thinks I am contaminated or something. A nice warmup with caressing/hj then some bls and shaft is fantastic. Then by all means put the cover on before a full bj or fs.

So ladies please don't get the impression you have to put yourselves in more risk than necessary. There are still many of us fine gentleman who are perfectly happy to see you if you play it safe.

I have seen a few girls that have a No FLUID EXCHANGE policy which means everything covered, no DATY, or kissing. Certainly not GFE but they were hot enough and friendly/fun enough I still had a great time. They probably are not as busy as some, but there is room for everyone to make a living hopefully.

 

[overdone]

And to the guys who love their CIM girls, well just consider this: If they allow you to come in such an intimate place as their mouths with most of the risk of this practice resting on them, why wouldn't a girl like that allow someone to have BBFS for a few extra dollars? The risk to her wouldn't increase that much more.

See Reverend, when you say things that are as asinine as that statement it just shows how little thought you put into your argument.

The risk from giving a bbbj with or without a cim finish from what I've read in the health section, it is a lot less risky than having bbfs. For both parties.

Where did you get your Medical/Preaching Doctorate? I'm guessing the Caribbean

The bottom line is you can only protect yourself with someone else. If you're worried about what someone does with others in this "hobby" then you should be staying home and masturbating.

There's risk involved with all the activities offered here.

 

[Surrey's Jewel]

I've noticed how more and more SPs are advertising BBBJs with a CIM finish. I'm sure this increases their business, thus they advertise it. I know from reading reviews that a lot of guys demand this service.

I just want SPs to be aware though, that there are also a significant number of us guys who will deliberately avoid seeing any SP who advertises or practices these services. And the many great ladies who will only allow CBJs definitely benefit from our patronage as some of the busiest SPs around DO NOT offer BBBJs or CIM.

To the SPs who don't mind the increased STD risk involved with offering these services , all I will say is, Good Luck to you, because luck is all that's protecting you!

And to the guys who love their CIM girls, well just consider this: If they allow you to come in such an intimate place as their mouths with most of the risk of this practice resting on them, why wouldn't a girl like that allow someone to have BBFS for a few extra dollars? The risk to her wouldn't increase that much more.

The real point of this thread is that SPs realize they may actually lose some business if they do CIM service because some of us will not see you if we know you are doing this!

So if all the "Risky Business" is what you seek, go for it, there are many extraordinarily successful SPs who don't offer BBBJ or CIM and they're doing just fine, thank you! And pooners like myself are grateful for that!

Are you having a bad day Bad Santa ? This was kind of a holier than thou post. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[Gomez Adams]

You can wrap me in saran rap if do not wish to have any skin to skin contact

hehehe, didnt you have a dress like that once?

I dont seek out ladies who specifically offer BBBJs or refuse to see those who do, Victoria Jolie for example is an extremely intelligent, responsible and safety conscious SP who I have no compunction in seeing and quite enjoy her amazing french kissing and BJs without a condom.

 

[Dr_X_man]

Safe Sex

 

[Aidenx]

I've noticed how more and more SPs are advertising BBBJs with a CIM finish. I'm sure this increases their business, thus they advertise it. I know from reading reviews that a lot of guys demand this service.

I just want SPs to be aware though, that there are also a significant number of us guys who will deliberately avoid seeing any SP who advertises or practices these services. And the many great ladies who will only allow CBJs definitely benefit from our patronage as some of the busiest SPs around DO NOT offer BBBJs or CIM.

To the SPs who don't mind the increased STD risk involved with offering these services , all I will say is, Good Luck to you, because luck is all that's protecting you!

And to the guys who love their CIM girls, well just consider this: If they allow you to come in such an intimate place as their mouths with most of the risk of this practice resting on them, why wouldn't a girl like that allow someone to have BBFS for a few extra dollars? The risk to her wouldn't increase that much more.

The real point of this thread is that SPs realize they may actually lose some business if they do CIM service because some of us will not see you if we know you are doing this!

So if all the "Risky Business" is what you seek, go for it, there are many extraordinarily successful SPs who don't offer BBBJ or CIM and they're doing just fine, thank you! And pooners like myself are grateful for that!

Thanks for the update JPR

 

[frustyj]

Well, that may be your opinion and you're entitled to it but for me I swing the opposite way. I don't see SPs unless they advertise this service explicitly because it's what I want; usually I choose a French Canadian over everyone else because many of them offer this and sw as well. Well worth the extra chg!!

 

[Bad Santa]

Well......I kinda thought this thread would get some reaction. That's why I left for a few hours to let it settle in.

Ms. Jolie, I've had my head stuck in a few places it shouldn't have been so don't think I will ever judge anyone for their activities. You and your clients, please just do whatever you want, more power to you.

I just want any SPs who feel pressured to provide these services because they think everyone else is doing it and they think all clients want it, to be aware that many clients don't want these services and may actually avoid ladies who provide them. Thus if you don't want to provide BBBJs with CIM, you can still be a very successful SP.

As to the danger of catching an STD from having someone come in your mouth, well the risk of catching HIV has been shown to be very low but if you ask a doctor or the Health Nurse you will see that many other STDs can be caught very easily.

We constantly see the pro-BBBJ/CIM proponents pushing their agenda demanding more of these services. They will avoid SPs who advertise that they won't do it and they don't mind spouting off about it.

Why do they find it so wrong when I say I will avoid SPs who advertise that they will do it? I'm just stating a fact.

And Ms. Jolie, I'm sure that some girls who advertise that they will only provide CBJs do offer more to a select few clients. That's still better than if they offer it to every John, Dick and Harry.

I have to admit, I do enjoy DFK and DATY when I see an SP but when I see how much of this other stuff is going on, I am becoming very reluctant to do those anymore.

Also, perhaps I shouldn't have implied that it's more likely for a lady who provides CIM service to also provide BBFS if asked but the ever greater demand for more BB services is a slippery slope and if you're already halfway down that slope, well who knows? Not me.

 

[Harmony-bc]

I may offer it BBBJ/CIM but NOT everyone gets it

As for your comment that an SP provides BBBJ would allow BBFS, that is a crock. It's kind of like comparing apples to oranges.

nice, you false advertise too then, good to know.

When a new gentlemen you invite over shows up, what criteria do you use to decide if he is allowed this service? Maybe updating your site to indicate this is a YMMV offering, or that it is only available to some repeat clients (e.g. Dont show up expecting it) would be a good idea. Some guys may not feel comfortable discussing these details on the phone, plan, get ready, travel etc. just to get there and discover that can't have what they've been waiting for as described on your rates page. Informed customers are happy customers

bbbj cim, should always be considered a ymmv for any provider. Same with kissing, same with daty. We are human beings not robots. I don't offer bbbj, but I want to defend my sisters rights to offering it and being able to refuse to do it if some guy has green slime oozing out of his penis or a disrespectful attitude.

I have people that seek me out all the time because I'm not a pse provider, but I also have seen lots of gentlemen that see pse providers. We all share the same clients.

I think you could have chosen your words a tinier bit better Bad Santa, but I agree with you, that threads that are about bbbj, get more respect than threads telling women they have the right to offer the services they want to. I also think a lot of new girls just offer these services, because they feel pressured that they will make more money if they do. Its bullshit. You make money if you are nice, clean, comfortable, honest, and laugh easy.

 

[Bad Santa]

Thank you Harmony for understanding what I'm trying to say.

Victoria, please don't imply that I'm attacking anyone. I'm absolutely not. I think my intentions with this thread have been somewhat misunderstood. I'm fine with providers offering BBBJs and CIM. I really am. I do not however want any new girl coming into the industry to feel pressured into doing it just because clients demand it and they think everyone else is doing it.

And just how I believe pooners have a right to say they will not see SPs who will not provide BBBJ/CIM service, please allow me my right to say I will not see SPs who advertise that they will provide these services.

Believe me, I am not attacking anyone. And I would rather that no one attacks me either, LOL!

 

[Dr_X_man]

I have to admit, I do enjoy DFK and DATY when I see an SP but when I see how much of this other stuff is going on, I am becoming very reluctant to do those anymore.

If I may say:
-There is always a risk in any thing we do even in crossing the street!if you want full safety
-"I believe the risks of transmitting diseases through DFK, DATY are higher than BBBJ." Consider the action in itself then consider other things which I could pm if interested...

 

[Dr_X_man]

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PSE providers are still hard to come by. BBBJ providers are still very much in the minority at the Edmonton MP's.

I don't think you have to worry about retirement anytime soon.

I do not think GFE or PSE should be stated without explanation. Each SP has her own definition of these terminology. I do worry for that it would cause a lot of disappointment if not clearly defined and agreed. Sometimes experienced hobbyist forget to ask what do you mean by GFE and they end up posting negative reviews of SP's. GFE could mean one or more of the following:
-BBBJ some add a new term safe GFE for CBJ
-DATY
-DFK
-LFK

PSE initially started by working porn actress that worked as escorts then now some consider one or more to be PSE:
-Greek
-CIM, ...
-video taping the session which started in US to avoid incriminating prostitution laws

bbbj cim, should always be considered a ymmv for any provider. Same with kissing, same with daty. We are human beings not robots. I don't offer bbbj, but I want to defend my sisters rights to offering it and being able to refuse to do it if some guy has green slime oozing out of his penis or a disrespectful attitude.
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To be frank, if a SP is YMMV without adjusting her rates accordingly then it is not professional. Do not get me wrong. I know SP's are humans but a professional SP has the ability to offer services with an even quality to her customers. (I hope I got my point across with my all good intentions)

I agree;

I'm sure that if ladies can approach the issue of cheesy dicks and dirty asshole they can speak for themself and express their problems.
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VJ

 

[Bad Santa]

If I may say:
-There is always a risk in any thing we do even in crossing the street!if you want full safety
-"I believe the risks of transmitting diseases through DFK, DATY are higher than BBBJ." Consider the action in itself then consider other things which I could pm if interested...

Yeah, Leslie Nielson, love the guy. Thanks Dr. X. I agree with you there are risks everywhere and I love my DATY and DFK. My motives are largely selfish for wanting more SPs to do CBJ instead of BBBJ service. I want to minimize my risk when I do DATY or DFK with an SP. And if the SP I see only offers CBJs my risk is reduced. That's why I'll choose them. I also respect ladies who offer only strict FS. Not everything I prefer on my menu but I respect them nevertheless.

I'd also like it if ladies who only offer CBJs are respected and not bad mouthed by pooners who want BBBJ service. As I've said, if that's what you want, go see the ladies who offer it. There are plenty of them out there.

I just want some balance to this argument because there have been so many pooners constantly demanding and insisting that BBBJ service be included in a session and I just want to show that there are many clients who don't want it to be.

 

[Dark_Knight]

That's still better than if they offer it to every John, Dick and Harry.

But it is even better than if they offer it to every John with a Harry Dick....

 

[Bad Santa]

I don't think you have to be too concerned. Most of the CBJ GFE providers turn away clients that want to violate their restrictions. This should not be an issue based on the ladies you have reviewed over the past year.

That's why I chose them Fiddy. Thanks for helping me make my point.

But it is even better than if they offer it to every John with a Harry Dick....

Hey DK, that's a low blow! Now you're getting personal. I've been admonished by many an SP for my hairy dick. But I think it's Santa's privilege not to have to shave!

 

[Dark_Knight]

Hey DK, that's a low blow! Now you're getting personal. I've been admonished by many an SP for my hairy dick. But I think it's Santa's privilege not to have to shave!

I was just trying to make some laughs in a thread that has been completely devoid of them... Just trying to lighten the mood a bit... What you chose to do with your twig and giggleberries is your own concern!

 

[Bad Santa]

I was just trying to make some laughs in a thread that has been completely devoid of them... Just trying to lighten the mood a bit... What you chose to do with your twig and giggleberries is your own concern!

Thanks DK, I appreciate the humor, even if it's at my expense. And my twig and giggleberries, there are a few ladies out there that actually like 'em fuzzy. I love those gals!

 

[Dr_X_man]

Yeah, Leslie Nielson, love the guy. Thanks Dr. X. I agree with you there are risks everywhere and I love my DATY and DFK. My motives are largely selfish for wanting more SPs to do CBJ instead of BBBJ service. I want to minimize my risk when I do DATY or DFK with an SP. And if the SP I see only offers CBJs my risk is reduced. That's why I'll choose them. I also respect ladies who offer only strict FS. Not everything I prefer on my menu but I respect them nevertheless.

I'd also like it if ladies who only offer CBJs are respected and not bad mouthed by pooners who want BBBJ service. As I've said, if that's what you want, go see the ladies who offer it. There are plenty of them out there.

I just want some balance to this argument because there have been so many pooners constantly demanding and insisting that BBBJ service be included in a session and I just want to show that there are many clients who don't want it to be.

Bad Santa you are not selfish my friend you are sharing your thoughts.

I was just trying to make some laughs in a thread that has been completely devoid of them... Just trying to lighten the mood a bit... What you chose to do with your twig and giggleberries is your own concern!

Totally agreed, I put the video to lighten the mood. I know Bad Santa, Fiddy, Dark_Knight, many others from their posts. They do not have bad intentions. It's just the internet makes thoughts a bit hard to cross.

If I may say: Personally, I like BBBJ and have not done CIM except few times. It's difficult to get me hard with a CBJ. Though if BBBJ is not offered by a SP that does not mean I won't see her. If she does not offer it or she will disgustingly do it then I prefer not. I like to enjoy with my partner, seeing, hearing,.. and feeling her joy is my real reciprocal pleasure. I have not done CIM evenif it's offered for few reasons:
-if it's in the best place (her kitten), in heaven why would I want to put it in her mouth!
-I do like to climax together

That's just me and hopefully I have not offended anyone because that's not my intention