Double Edged Sword - A Reprise

[Sir Woodster]

I fear that the comment in the first thread on discretion was completely misinterpreted - It had absolutely nothing to do with keeping any form of harassment discreet - and the point related to politicians was completely missed...

The business by its very nature needs to be discreet - there are many who use these services who would suffer greatly from being found out (or found in for that matter) and for many of the SPs, being "outed" would be completely devastating - this is why discretion is so important.

Harassment should be and must be dealt with by the authorities who have the skills, knowledge and capabilities to deal with it immediately and effectively... and I support that as I'm sure we all do...

From the comment on politicians, it would seem that there is a thought that if they get involved we might see more relaxed rules and a greater level of legal tolerance - NOT SO - politicians will always take the moral high ground – partly because it makes for good press and mostly because it is easy to “sell” to the unknowing electorate. It has been proved time and time again that when the business gets too public we would see a crackdown on the business driving it more and more underground where the risks for both SPs and Clients would increase exponentially...

 

[Hipster Doofus]

okay I think I can shine some reality here.

Luscious is convinced "someone" is out to get Victoria's Eden. Yes?

Well you're wrong...

The truth is EVERYONE is out to get Victoria's Eden! ( And the same applies to SU, ER, IB and all sex trade workers in general.)

Please let me explain - As a business in the sex trade, no one likes you very much. Three levels of goverment dont like you. The police dont like you. Your landlord doesnt like you. Your employee's boyfriends dont like you. Your neighbors dont like you. P.E.E.R.S. doesnt like you. Feminst groups dont like you. Wives dont like you. My own mother doesnt like you.

Make no mistake - tolerance is not the same as "like." Thats a lot of hurdles to contend with not including ex-employees and the "competition."

Why? Well if you dont know, I'll spell it out for you. The general public sees you as exploitive, you are seen as a magnet for undesirables and you bring down property values. Revenue Canada thinks your all-cash business is hiding income. Mothers and Fathers dread having to explain the nature of prostitution to their daughters, and in some countries, authorities would have you behind bars for long periods of time.

Am I saying something you dont already know? Doubtful.

The "man" isnt going to make it easy for you. ( he dont like you either ) Thats the cold hard reality of being what you are. Every agency, past and present has experienced this harrassment, including Classy Ladies, Secret Cravings, Mz Kittys, Pussy Willow Club and English Rose.(all defunct) All current agencies are experiencing "hassle." You just havent been paying attention.

To blame another agency is short sighted and a bit egocentric in my opinion. Somewhere along the lines of opening a new restaurant and crying foul that the WCB and the health inspector came along on opening night. Of course they are coming! DUH!

So what to do, what to do? Well your naming names threat wont really work. PERB doesnt really give a shit and it doesnt impress me much either.

Maybe you could enlist law enforcement to help you? They wont. Maybe the Ombudsman? nada. The Better Business Bureau will help! Are you nuts? Pooners that hide their faces as they walk into your building? LOL!

Dont get me wrong. I'm certainly empathetic. IB, SU, ER are all in the same boat but you dont see them looking for someone to blame.

 

[maude]

Good analysis ...

... didn't think you had it in you Hipster ... the little brain must have strained itself .... eh .... lol

 

[shaka]

Well done Hip! Precious comment Maude lol.

 

[Sir Woodster]

Well said Hipster - sorta supports the comments made in the first post about the politicians - you think they'll help - not a flipping chance - Like what was said, cracking down on prostitution (even tho prostitution itself is quite legal) makes good press copy and scores points with the electorate (who are generally challenged anyway)...

Like Hipster - business harassment is a fact of life in the business. Now, we'd all agree that "personal" harassment of the Clients or the SPs is a different matter and is not acceptable...

 

[Double O Behave]

Where's the love? What about us guys who get left on the side with our tool in our hand when all this is going on!!!! Come on ladies this should be all about clients! Namely me!
IMHO I think the timely buyout offer seems too coincidental for all the other harrassment to be chalked up as just part of the business. It seems that IB has said that they too have had the seem treatment lately. I have gone back and read the posts of alot of those who post regularly here in my spare time. I don't get the sense that Luscious is a liar. Am I the only one who finds it strange that her post with votes of support got locked down when she actually didnt name any names in her post and this negative post about her is allowed to continue whiles she's suspended putting her down? I dunno, maybe I read too many spy novels and maybe not. Perhaps where there's smoke there's fire. I say good on ya Luscious and good luck!

 

[Sir Woodster]

The climate is positive because society is willing to accept the biz so long as it continues to operate in a professional and discrete manner.

And that, my friend, is the key!!

Once it steps outside this - the clamps come on - just like in Calgary.

As for the the "moral high ground" - like you, I don't object to paying - but politician are a fickle lot and while one hand is reaching for the wallet the other is pointing at the sins that must be stopped...

 

[spaceghost]

Re: I guess...

have to agree with Hipster. He finally got one right...smiling.

Hipster is full of little gems of knowledge... you just have to be willing to withstand all the pissing that comes with it.

 

[Luscious]

Hipster is right

on the majority of his post. I have indeed dealt with a great deal of harrassment since we have been open. You get used to it, roll with it but you also become very good at being able to tell where it comes from. You know where to dig, who to call, what bush to shake and out it comes. A public battle is a nasty thing in which everyone loses. No one likes to fight but no one likes to give up something they have worked very hard for either; especially by intimidation. Rather than retaliate in the same manner I chose to post myself. I dont have friends in high places on this board to back me up so I took a real chance. I felt it was the lesser of 2 bads. We saw a difference in treatment when I got banned and my post locked while I hadnt revealed any names at all yet this thread continues on commenting on me personally for basically being silly, vendictive and senselessly casting blame while feeling sorry for myself. I assure you that is NOT my situation at all. I left out certain details that would finger who I was talking about and hoped for rational minds to prevail. In short I had hoped it would end there. I have recieved much appreciated support and am optimistic that this will soon be over and the agencies in Victoria will be business as usual. So enough of this and happy pooning fellas!

 

[FYI]

Ahh Hipster...The record needs to be set straight once and for all...Mz Kitty's was NOT shut down by "the man"...Mz. Kitty's was shut down by the owner, Diamond...Why you ask?...Because it was impossible to find "good help"...And Diamond made waaaaaaaaaay more money as an independent...I know this for a fact because..............I am Diamond

 

[steverino]

Let's do.....

the time warp again.

 

[planetsmurf]

huh? hipster hasn't posted on this board in along time i believe

 

[Walk Softly]

the time warp again.

WHY?!?!?!?