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i would also like to hear what mitt romey has to say and the dark horse would be newt gingrich for the republican nomination would be the only true conservative rumming.
 

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dittman said:
i would also like to hear what mitt romey has to say and the dark horse would be newt gingrich for the republican nomination would be the only true conservative rumming.
Newt Gingrich? Maybe the revelations of his massive corruption and greed that ousted him from office could possibly undermine his campaign?

I also suspect there are a lot of conservatives "rumming", or they would start to see the world more clearly.
 

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Kim Campbell should not even be listed as she was not elected, she in fact was a sacrifical lamb, they needed someone to lose the election, which they all knew they would.
 

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Kim Campbell should not even be listed as she was not elected, she in fact was a sacrifical lamb, they needed someone to lose the election, which they all knew they would.

True, although Gerry Ford just got the big state funeral and he was elected neither as VP nor as President.

Having said that, Kim was fuckable at the time she was PM. Now it would be too much like granny sex. The other female PM's were not fuckable while in office. And, as a couple are since deceased you'd have to be a necrophiliac (which should be on another board).
 

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Obama is...oh, no...

...A SMOKER!!!

I read in the Chicago Tribune that he's trying to quit...but is having a difficult time. How do all you libs feel about voting for a smoker?
 

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I don't favour Clinton as there are many more qualified... that being said the Repub right has been on a mission these recent weeks to "swiftboat" Obama. At this point Snopes has been having a field day bringing forward refute after refute of the attempts to discredit Obama. Have to say though... I haven't seen anything (yet) on Snopes that deals with Randy's trolling "Obama is a smoker" comment - and how liberals might vote with that little nugget :D
 

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Are we too hardon her

One questioner asked Clinton if her track record showed she could stand up to "evil men" around the world.

"The question is, we face a lot of dangers in the world and, in the gentleman's words, we face a lot of evil men and what in my background equips me to deal with evil and bad men," Clinton said. She paused to gaze while the audience interrupted with about 30 seconds of laughter and applause.

Meeting later with reporters, she was pressed repeatedly to explain what she meant. She insisted it was a joke.

"I thought I was funny," Clinton said. "You guys keep telling me to lighten up, be funny. I get a little funny and now I'm being psychoanalyzed."

more here:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-01-28-clinton-iowa_x.htm
 
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Randy Whorewald said:
One questioner asked Clinton if her track record showed she could stand up to "evil men" around the world.

"The question is, we face a lot of dangers in the world and, in the gentleman's words, we face a lot of evil men and what in my background equips me to deal with evil and bad men," Clinton said. She paused to gaze while the audience interrupted with about 30 seconds of laughter and applause.
Meeting later with reporters, she was pressed repeatedly to explain what she meant. She insisted it was a joke.

"I thought I was funny," Clinton said. "You guys keep telling me to lighten up, be funny. I get a little funny and now I'm being psychoanalyzed."

more here:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-01-28-clinton-iowa_x.htm

... the guy who asked that question will probably think up better ways to phrase them in the future!

I don't like her but that was a witty NON-response!
 

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Fudd said:
Looks like Hillary is going to be the President?? Well if she makes it she's going to have some tuff shoes to fill after the fantastic job Bill did. Quite honestly, I don't understand why Bill couldn't continue on I mean he did some fantactic work while he was in office like.

It's called term limits and thank the Republicans for that. From the time of George Washington up to Harry Truman the tradition was a president served two terms. Franklin Roosevelt broke with tradition by running for a 3rd term in 1940 and a 4th in 1944, Although he died in April 1945. Angry Republicans led the campaign to amend the US constitution to limit a president to two consecutive terms.

Fudd said:
creating a booming economy

reducing the burden on tax payers

scalling down that insanly and wastefull military

banning assualt weapons

space exploration

stopping terrorist

and the environment
And let's not forget the booming US trade deficit with China. ;-)

Fudd said:
Unfortunately he wasn't able to bring Amaricans universal health care like we have in Canada. Maybe Hillary can make her mark by working on this. She can use the Canadian system as a model.
The Clintons failed at their attempt to bring universal health care to the US because they failed to properly lay the ground work. Personally I trust Hillary less than I trust Bill and I sure as hell didn't trust him. While George Bush is an idiot, either of the Clintons is smarmy.

Besides I see a dangerous pattern in US politics: Bush-Clinton-Bush and another Clinton? Surely the Democrats can find some one else than another Clinton. And surely the Republicans can find some one else than another Bush
as Jeb Bush is strongly rumoured to be taking a run for 2008. If that's the case, Hillary Clinton versus Jeb Bush, then either way a bush will win! :eek:
 

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luckydog71 said:
Early front runners have a difficult time maintaining their popularity over the long haul. Hillary may do it but it will be tough. Obama will start to take away her African American support, even though he is not an African American, he is black and that will give him a lot of notoriety.
Ok, LD explain that one. Yah Obama is of mixed race, but how can you say he's black but not Afro-American?

luckydog71 said:
There is one force that would be nearly unstoppable a Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton ticket. I do not see any GOP combination that could beat them together. Even the ticket of McCain/Giuliani in my opinion would lose.
Though not impossible, it would be highly unlikely. I can't see either one being able to tolerate the other because their strong personalities. One would need to really suck it up and remain largely in the background. The tradition in the US has been whenever there has been a strong VP the president has been a weak idiot.

luckydog71 said:
I think (actually it is wishful thinking) that the raise on the DEM presidential ticket will make the DEMS hold on Congress a 1 term event. America could survive a very liberal president as long as there is a conservative congress.
What is very liberal? After reading your posts on politics for some time I get the impression from you that ANYTHING which doesn't neatly conform to your Fox News inspired view of what is right and left you see as "very liberal". I put to you that the US has NEVER had a "very liberal" president and at best has had moderate liberals such as FDR, LBJ, and Carter for example.

luckydog71 said:
A government run by Clinton/Pelosi/Reid is a very scary thought.
Like Bush/Cheney hasn't been?


luckydog71 said:
On your other points


-and sending the US into a recession in his final years


- after prodding from Newt. This tax break created the boom



- and leaving the US incapable of defending itself.
How?


luckydog71 said:
-criminals in the country have more assualt weapons than ever before. Did you see that gun battle in LA a few years back? I am an advocate of people not owning guns. I am an opponent of government enforced gun control.




-thought that was JFK
Your knowledge of your own country's space program is weak at best. A number of presidents from both parties can be creditted in one way or another. It was Eisenhower that got the ball rolling with early testing and the creation of NASA. It was JFK that made the pledge to go to the moon. It was LBJ that carried out that pledge. It was Nixon that sustained that pledge and helped NASA to move on the next phase, that being Skylab. It was Ford and Carter that helped the following stage, that being the shuttle program. It was under Reagan that the shuttle program finally took off. It was under Bush 1 that the space station finally took shape, It was under Clinton which continued the space station and pursued further exploration of space. Even the dimwit in the Oval Office now has put the wheels in motion for the return to the moon.


luckydog71 said:
-this one is a joke, right? The terrorists got a foot hold under Carter. They discovered the unwillingness of DEM presidents to fight back. They hibernated during Reagan and then but their entire infrastructure in place during the 8 Clinton years.
I am very interested to see you're explanation on that. I get the sense there will be a fair bit of historical revisionism to have a square peg fit neatly in the round hole.


luckydog71 said:
-another joke right? Gore had 8 years to reduce global warming. He did nothing. In fact it was worse when he left office.
And what has the Bush 2 administration done? And LD that's your cherished dimwit president's administration and not any of the actions take by the states, cities, or counties.


luckydog71 said:
-Do you really want the rest of the world to have the type of health care provided to Canadians. That is just plain mean, bordering on hate speach.

The US health care system is bloated and ends up costing more. The US health care companies have enormous bureaucracies and in the end chew up the equivalent of 15% of the US GDP. In Canada the health care system is the equivalent of around 9% of the Canadian GDP.

It is amazing that there are still the weakminded in the world's richest and most powerful country that incapable of acknowledging the proven benefits of universal health care. Their gullability is a shining example of the sinister motives of Republicans and their allies in the health care industry. I pity you.
 

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HeMadeMeDoIt said:
The only worse person that the democrats can run for the WH is probably Ted Kennedy. There's no chance in hell of Billary wining a primary let alone an election regardless of the fact that she has her husband's balls in her handbag and none of his charisma or charm. If Obama and Clinton is the best the democrats have to run with then I can bet money on at least another 4 years of Republican Whitehouse.

What the Bush family has become to the Republicans, the Kennedy clan was to the Democrats. Has there ever been a Kennedy that wasn't overrated?

Looking at Ted Kennedy, now I know what happened to all of booze his old man smuggled in from Canada! :eek: Ted, it's called rehab.

HeMadeMeDoIt said:
I'm curious if we're gonna hear from Powell and whether the Republicans will convince him to run. They'd do very well with a Powell for Pres. and either mccain or Giuliani for VP. This would satisfy the sudden nagging itch that the democrats are trying to create for a minority president (woman, black or hispanic) Clinton, Obama or Richards.
Powell might be too divisive. Not because of being an Afro-American but beause he was literially hung out to dry by the trioka of Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld. Powell was made the scape goat of the debacle of no WMD's being found in Iraq. His return to public politics, as through a presidential run, could open huge casims within the Republicans.

McCain: the Al Gore of the Republicans. 'Nuf said.

Giuliani: Up until Bloomberg, the most UNPOPULAR mayor of NYC. A very slick public relations machine after 9/11 created the Giuliani most people think of, and he's a phoney.

With Uncurious Geroge having to step down in Jan/09 the primary battles in the Republicans and the Democrats may very well prove to be titanic struggles. IMHO it's already a 3-way race in the Democrats with Clinton, Obama, and Edwards. The Republicans could have Jeb Bush, McCain, and Giulaini.

Mark my words, whoever wins the presidency in 2008 I think will be the Democrat ot Republican who is the best and quickest to soothe over internal party divisions. Without a unified party behind a candidate any popularity means fuck-all because the political machine won't be there to capitalize on it.
 

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dirtydan said:
Ok, LD explain that one. Yah Obama is of mixed race, but how can you say he's black but not Afro-American?
Sure African-American means a person who is an American citizen and whose ancestors came from Africa. There are whites born in Africa and so by definition an African American could be white.

The more common use of the term was to describe Americans who were sold into slavery in the 18th and 19th centuries. I think all of these slaves were black so African American is real used to describe descendence of slaves.

Obama is not from Africa. Obama's descendeces were not slaves. Therefore he is not African-American, either by the real definition or the common use definition.
 

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luckydog71 said:
Obama is not from Africa. Obama's descendeces were not slaves. Therefore he is not African-American, either by the real definition or the common use definition.
He is more directly of African ancestry than most African-Americans. I believe the current "common use" definition is if you're black and American, then you're an "African-American." This will undoubtably change in the future as it has changed in the past.
 
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