C36 Merged thread, everything goes here

[felixthecat]

I don't believe that this part is true. C-36 advertising rules do NOT come into effect until the bill itself becomes law on Dec 6th. Otherwise, Fred Zed would already have deleted all the old ads.

You don't have to take my word on it sir, try reading C-36. At the end it lists the effective dates of different sections. In particular, judges already have the authority to take down advertisement for sexual services since the date of Royal Assent. That's limited to copies/storage under their jurisdiction.

I wouldn't imply anything is wrong with the old ads, not until a judge decides so. Also I doubt perb.cc is under jurisdiction of any Canadian court. Still, it is understood PERB are making effort to comply with Canadian law.

 

[felixthecat]

I'm sure Fred has no reason to add new rules other than protecting the board from legal challenges. It's certain PERB will lose some business as the industry shrinks, but it had to be compared to the risk of being shut down. Maybe there was some legal advice, or maybe it is "better safe than sorry" which makes sense in an uncharted territory.

FWIW, some readers such as myself never trusted the review bits or link collections in advertisements / on SP sites. There's just no way to distinguish that from self-promotion. I rely on search results anyway, so for me that 3rd rule has no impact.

Since OP had to fix her trademark issue, there should be less concern going forward. For old reviews, just an idea, maybe it's possible to add 'violet skye' tags to them.

 

[Hardlover]

There is no point in adding new rules and regulations. We all know what happened to myredbook and other sites despite them following strict guidelines. In the end none of it really matters and all the technicality goes flat once you are on the radar. Hence enjoy it while it lasts and dont punish the advertisers or the reviewers. After all this is a review site so the powers that be can't have it both ways.

 

[Hardlover]

The site admins can't have it both ways as after all this IS a review site. Changing the lingo or playing it safe by technicalities wouldn't cut it as witnessed by myredbook and other sites -- eventually things caught up to them. "They" are not that dumb to see what goes on here even if you remove the acronyms as it is as stupid as writing code languages like greens, franklins, reds etc when describing donations.

 

[Hardlover]

I'm more confused than ever before with this press release. This is clear political talk meant to tread carefully and appease both sides and I believe it has something to do with civic elections. None of the matter specifically suggests where the city stand on this issue. Its all feel good statements by politicians by using confusing language.
With all due respect to Mrs Susi who I'm sure has done a lot for the community and this industry, but for this particular press release I don't see how its connected or helpful when its obvious the city doesn't give two hoots about us the community or the industry. Hence let's not give them any accolades or see them as knight in shining armor. They are not.

 

[Hardlover]

Well, getting busted as some teenager with some beer and getting busted and saying goodbye to your career, family, friends neighbourhood isn't the same. I guess we can thank the talibanization of this country for such moral policing. Hard to believe our veterans gave up their life for our freedom and a free society when day by day the leash gets tighter and gets more and more conservative.

 

[felixthecat]

The site admins can't have it both ways as after all this IS a review site.

The site is what the admins make it to be though. This is a business, reviews are not paying for themselves under the current model.

If you believe admins are still open to legal action, maybe it's better to PM them than to give ammunition to their opponents.

I'd question myredbook comparison though. Canada is not US. Prostitution is legal, advertisement by SPs themselves is legal. C-36 may be very vulnerable to Supreme Court challenges particularly on this aspect. I.e. if SPs are allowed to work/advertise, how can they do it safely without online venues?

As mentioned in reverdy's excellent analysis, at the end admins are legally responsible for their part. It's up to them to decide how to approach it, not to the public opinion.

 

[ddcanz]

All you paranoid freaks need to just simmer. When was the last time you even got a speeding ticket for fuck's sake? This city and Province is dreadfully undermanned when it comes to LE, and the budget ain't increasing any time soon. Unless you're walking around with a sandwich board declaring "I pay to get fucked!" and ringing a hand-bell, you should be fine.

 

[felixthecat]

When was the last time you even got a speeding ticket

Are you implying your sins include speeding? Be careful, don't incriminate yourself.
Kidding.

Unless you're walking around with a sandwich board declaring "I pay to get fucked!" and ringing a hand-bell, you should be fine.

Even if you are, no problem. Insanity plea to the rescue.

 

[Violet]

If reviews are linked to ads, they can be considered part of your advertising, and the reviewer could be charged as a third party. It's legal for a SP to advertise her own sexual services. It is illegal for anyone else to promote or advertise her sexual services.

I'm very skeptical that a reviewer could be charged for advertising for an SP by writing a review and having the SP post a link to it. I think the rule is more about PERB being extra cautious as they do not wish to risk the site getting shut down (or potential legal troubles for the site). The new advertising law is very vague and I assume they feel it's "better safe than sorry" at this point.

My current understanding is that the concern is that linking to reviews could possibly be seen as indirectly advertising sexual services, due to the fact that some reviews might mention prices for specific services or at least imply that money is exchanged for sexual services.

You can put quotes from reviews that talk about you in general terms, but don't include the link, the reviewer's handle, or any mention of sexual activities.

Did Fred say that was ok? I didn't ask him about quotes. However, I feel like quotes from reviews are not very useful/credible without the URL or username anyway.

i would think you could cut and paste reviews into your ads.

I don't think so.

FWIW, some readers such as myself never trusted the review bits or link collections in advertisements / on SP sites. There's just no way to distinguish that from self-promotion. I rely on search results anyway, so for me that 3rd rule has no impact.

Since OP had to fix her trademark issue, there should be less concern going forward. For old reviews, just an idea, maybe it's possible to add 'violet skye' tags to them.

My ad contained direct links to all the reviews I could find of myself (20 of them) - but I get what you're saying, that unless you search yourself you would wonder if the SP had cherry-picked only her best reviews. I'd rather potential clients wonder about that then not be able to find any reviews on me or not know if reviews of a "Violet" were referring to me or not. There is currently only 1 of me with my new last name and I doubt the mods would be up for tagging the old ones with it.

What about posting links to your website that includes reviews and descriptions of your service offering?

What about linking to our website?

To my knowledge, links to the advertiser's website will still be allowed, but some advertising venues might choose not to allow ads from providers whose sites contain explicit descriptions. (I don't actually have a website, never felt I needed one and I like being "under the radar", but maybe I'll finally be forced to build one soon).

 

[susi]

i am sorry you feel that way H@W but have to respectfully disagree...

the city has invested considerable resources not the least of which was the task force work which we were a part of. they have hired 2 liaisons funding those positions full time ($48/ hour), changed housing policies to be lower barrier, changed some of the by-laws already ( most notably the social club by-law which prohibited tolerating the presence of a prostitute or person of evil repute), funded living in community project implementation (over $750,000.00) adopted an over bridging policy governing by-law enforcement to ensure that sex industry businesses are not targeted simply because they are sex industry businesses, are developing staff sensitivity training around sex work and are still engaged in implementing the other work of the task force which is monitored by the community (us included)via "advisory committee".

any change in government at the city will not be able to turn back these achievements....but a chnage in government at the city may undermine implementation of other aspects.

however, as i have stated repeatedly, the CoV and VPD have no interest in interfering with adult consensual activities and will only be focused on those who exploit. they know we need MP's and that many need to work for some one else ( only 10% of us are indy sp's).

this work is on going for 12 years and i have been through 4 mayors - owen, campbell, sullivan and now robertson...3 police chiefs, 3 heads of business licensing ...i could go on...i guess i do go on...lol

anyway, its really up to the individual to decide whether they are comfortable any more...and i want to sure people understand that here we are not going to see any real changes other than positive changes which are already underway.

love susie

 

[Violet]

update

The post I quoted in my original post at the top is now gone. So I guess I am going to wait to compose a new ad until a replacement appears or something...

 

[susi]

double post sorry

 

[MissingOne]

... the variables are way too high of what is going on in a condo with all the different people and units. Honestly the cops don't have the time or resources ...

Many apartment and condo buildings these days have a security guy sitting at a console in the lobby, whose job consists of monitoring the comings and goings, all day. I'm sure that many of these security guys have a pretty good idea which suites in the buildings are being used as incalls. If there are enough complaints from busy-body residents, building management would be motivated to contact the police and insist that they act. The VPD may choose not to take the initiative in enforcing the new laws, but I think that if they are contacted with a specific complaint about violations of a federal law, they have to act.

I am not among those who think that visiting independent SPs in private apartments will necessarily be the safest way to go. It will depend on what sorts of neighbours they have.

 

[steverino]

And I will no longer be asking the ladies to put the handcuffs on during sessions.

 

[sevenofnine]

I think it pays to be a little bit cautious, I always circle the block, and look at the cars, don't know what im looking for, but you notice your surroundings. For sure notice your surroundings.

What's going on,,

But like someone said stake outs, from my personal experience go on for months. Its not a one day or even a couple of days and done type of deal cops usually stake out a place for months and watch it.

I think when you enter this you should assume your family is going to find out or the cops will catch you, and honestly if your life is over if your family finds out, or a cop pulls you over, and your going to eat a gun or something, Then that is your answer you shouldn't be doing this.

Seriously sex once in awhile is not worth ruining your life, think about it, what is the risk and benefits.

And I think that changes over time the risks and the benefits, any way its your life,


Like Anthony Blake used to say on Berretta if you can't do the time don't do the crime.

Its stupid to think your never going to be caught.

 

[uncleg]

Stop being so paranoid............you're not worth the effort.

 

[76duster]

There is no point in adding new rules and regulations. We all know what happened to myredbook and other sites despite them following strict guidelines. In the end none of it really matters and all the technicality goes flat once you are on the radar. Hence enjoy it while it lasts and dont punish the advertisers or the reviewers. After all this is a review site so the powers that be can't have it both ways.

I totally agree with this. You can try to skin the cat as finely as you want, but none of it will matter. In the end bigdoggie.net, myredbook, etc., all went down with people arrested. I'd be quaking in my boots right now if I was connected to this site in any form other than just a member - be it owner, moderator or even advertiser.

 

[76duster]

Simple solution to this problem: if purchasing sex is illegal and you want to review, simply say in the review you got it for FREE!!!

 

[girth-brooks]