Attn: SP Drivers in Manitoba

[Shortie]

Here's a law that is still on the books right now ... (I was unaware of it).


May 7, 1998

SEIZURE OF VEHICLES PROPOSED IN PROSTITUTION RELATED OFFENCES

Proposed amendments to the Highway Traffic Act would require police to seize vehicles being used for offences related to prostitution, Justice Minister Vic Toews announced today.
If there is a conviction as a result of criminal proceedings, the vehicle or security on the vehicle would be forfeited. The proceeds would be used to fund programs aimed at reducing the incidence of prostitution and to defray the costs of seizing and storing the vehicle.

"Prostitution is a blight on our neighbourhoods and exploits young people and children," said the minister. "This legislation provides an additional serious consequence to those who would take part in this exploitation. If found guilty they will lose their vehicles in addition to the criminal consequences."

Police would be authorized to release a seized vehicle if it has been stolen or if the occupants agree to participate in "johns school". To qualify for johns school, the accused must have no prior record involving prostitution, sign a contract admitting guilt and agree to attend and successfully complete the course. Those who attend the course will not face criminal charges.

Under the proposals, an application could be made for the release of the vehicle while a case is proceeding through the criminal courts, if the accused provides a security deposit equal to the value of the vehicle. The act also outlines provisions to deal with vehicles of low value.

The act would also ensure innocent owners could get their vehicles back. Vehicle owners who were not charged with a prostitution offence, did not give consent for the use of their vehicle or who could not have reasonably known that the vehicle was going to be used in the commission of a prostitution offence could apply to a magistrate for release of their vehicles.

Funds recovered from the seizure of vehicles would help fund programs that help prostitutes get off the street.


*** Could this apply if one was pulled over with an SP in the passenger seat? ***

 

[tom25]

Here's a law that is still on the books right now ... (I was unaware of it).


May 7, 1998

SEIZURE OF VEHICLES PROPOSED IN PROSTITUTION RELATED OFFENCES

Proposed amendments to the Highway Traffic Act would require police to seize vehicles being used for offences related to prostitution, Justice Minister Vic Toews announced today.
If there is a conviction as a result of criminal proceedings, the vehicle or security on the vehicle would be forfeited. The proceeds would be used to fund programs aimed at reducing the incidence of prostitution and to defray the costs of seizing and storing the vehicle.

"Prostitution is a blight on our neighbourhoods and exploits young people and children," said the minister. "This legislation provides an additional serious consequence to those who would take part in this exploitation. If found guilty they will lose their vehicles in addition to the criminal consequences."

Police would be authorized to release a seized vehicle if it has been stolen or if the occupants agree to participate in "johns school". To qualify for johns school, the accused must have no prior record involving prostitution, sign a contract admitting guilt and agree to attend and successfully complete the course. Those who attend the course will not face criminal charges.

Under the proposals, an application could be made for the release of the vehicle while a case is proceeding through the criminal courts, if the accused provides a security deposit equal to the value of the vehicle. The act also outlines provisions to deal with vehicles of low value.

The act would also ensure innocent owners could get their vehicles back. Vehicle owners who were not charged with a prostitution offence, did not give consent for the use of their vehicle or who could not have reasonably known that the vehicle was going to be used in the commission of a prostitution offence could apply to a magistrate for release of their vehicles.

Funds recovered from the seizure of vehicles would help fund programs that help prostitutes get off the street.


*** Could this apply if one was pulled over with an SP in the passenger seat? ***

Good question,

I doubt it ... otherwise a cab driver could also be nailed. Arguably it might depend on whether the person knew what the girl was doing. That might be the difference between a cabbie and a hired driver.

I suppose it also depends on what they mean by "prostitution related offences". The legislation is primarily aimed at johns soliciting streetwalkers from their cars. Soliciting is a criminal offence and clearly "related to prostitution". Prostitution is not, per se illegal, and outcalls are not at all illegal, since everything, including the negotiation of price and services, takes place within a private residence or private hotel room. So, it would seem hard to make the argument that giving the girl a ride is even aiding the commission of any offence, let alone a prostitution related offence.

Just my thoughts

Tom

 

[Quimby]

Thanks Tom ... so no one's taking my big black Cadillac!

Cool ... ladies ... let's ride!

 

[SlimShady]

Doesn't it just apply if you are caught in a sting with an undercover?

Actually propositioning a cop??

 

[tom25]

Doesn't it just apply if you are caught in a sting with an undercover?

Actually propositioning a cop??

I suspect that's correct in practise, since its only if you end up soliciting a cop that they can prove what you were doing.

If the cop walks up while you have your window rolled down and are negotiating with a girl and says "what you to doing" ... you're not likely to say "bickering over the price for a bj". So unless its a sting its very hard for them to actually prove anything.

Tom

 

[therealrex]

They have seized lots of vehicles they seem to do a sting a couple of times a year including a cab driver and a guy driving a city vehicle. I think everyone has gotten their vehicles back once they sign up for John School. One poor sap got nailed for soliciting for yelling out his car window "I'll give u $2 for a blowjob to an undercover cop as a joke as he was driving by.

 

[tom25]

They have seized lots of vehicles they seem to do a sting a couple of times a year including a cab driver and a guy driving a city vehicle. I think everyone has gotten their vehicles back once they sign up for John School. One poor sap got nailed for soliciting for yelling out his car window "I'll give u $2 for a blowjob to an undercover cop as a joke as he was driving by.

At the end of the day its just not worth it: LE, butt ugly girls, girls that are minors, drugs, gangs, and disease.

No thanks ... I'll stick to my independents.

Tom