Where to move the Hastings st tent city

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Well WW. The reason why I mentioned those statements was because at the covenant house in DT Van east side, I once knew a social worker who worked there for a few years and he was the one who stated that during several conversations at the time. As for your sad stories of people you mentioned. News flash...We all have those in our lives or know of someone(s). Not just you.

So, Like anything else in life. I'm sure there's a percentage that want help, but there are a number who don't or can't be helped. Many of them are so strung out that they are beyond helping, unfortunately. A long lost road. You might want to take a walk down MAIN and Hastings one day and then you tell me if they can be helped. You'll think twice about that. If you can. Let me and us all know how that goes.:oops::rolleyes:


No.
They are treatable. But nobody wants to pay for it.
It's more fun to sneer at them and pat yourself on the back for feeling superior.

If you think any of these people are complacent or happy that's nuts.

Almost all of them desperately want help, they know they are sick but there is nowhere to get help.

I have a friend who is a medical doctor and his kid was homeless in the DTES for years. The kid is ok now but his parents had a huge struggle to fix him up. If you guys think it's easy to get help you have never tried.
Another friend had a brother who had brain cancer, and ended up homeless because he couldn't function. She tried unsuccessfully for years to get him into assisted living or similar. He died in an alley.
 
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And in your case, one who comes across intelligently but is still wet behind the ears and thinks everything is ONLY black and white.


Look at it from the point of view of someone who only sees homeless people as a blight on the scenery.
 
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And just so you know....those 3 statements I mentioned were not what I thought. They were more in line of a question to your response. Again, black and white or taking this literally. :rolleyes:


Look at it from the point of view of someone who only sees homeless people as a blight on the scenery.
 
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Slippery slope when you start calling people undesirable instead of human beings.
Someone already compared them to cockroaches.
Almost everyone is more concerned with getting rid of them instead of helping them.

Remember guys, there but for the grace of God go you. Anyone here could end up in the same situation. Maybe it’s that subconscious fear that motivates the contempt…if they don’t see it they won’t have to be reminded that it could happen to them.
We have a HUGE labour shortage out there, instead of bringing in workers from foreign countries, why don't we put the able bodied living in these tent cities to work? Offer them incentives to clean up, get some education, deal with their mental issues and drug addictions in a dignified manner. Give them a chance to be productive member of society instead of just handing them welfare and free drugs.

I'm sure many companies would be on board to do this as it'll punch all the "Feel good" buttons of society.
 

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We have a HUGE labour shortage out there, instead of bringing in workers from foreign countries, why don't we put the able bodied living in these tent cities to work? Offer them incentives to clean up, get some education, deal with their mental issues and drug addictions in a dignified manner. Give them a chance to be productive member of society instead of just handing them welfare and free drugs.

I'm sure many companies would be on board to do this as it'll punch all the "Feel good" buttons of society.
Except
The mental health issues are such that most will not show up or if they do, abandon whatever it is they are supposed to do.
Sad but I doubt there is any one simplistic solution.
 

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We have a HUGE labour shortage out there, instead of bringing in workers from foreign countries, why don't we put the able bodied living in these tent cities to work? Offer them incentives to clean up, get some education, deal with their mental issues and drug addictions in a dignified manner. Give them a chance to be productive member of society instead of just handing them welfare and free drugs.

I'm sure many companies would be on board to do this as it'll punch all the "Feel good" buttons of society.
Wot job? and How much?
 

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MPH...your comment was along the lines what I was thinking in my above comment. Thinking outside the box. Good on you. I will repeat it again....I'm sure there is a percentage that can be worked with and want to improve for a better life. In fact, I've watched programs on TV where severe addicts are now " cured " free from their demons " and now are spokesmen in schools, communities for youth etc. They wanted a much improve life, worked at it and they got it. However, there's the other side that are too far gone to work with simply because of the lack mental capability.

As I said. One needs to walk DT Vancouver Main and Hastings. Its a whole different story when it's right in from of you. Things aren't always black and white. What works for one doesn't necessarily work for another, or many others.

THE VPD, years ago, had a tv program called " THE BEAT " It focused on the downtown east side. That program was a real wake up call and they themselves said that some are incurable. Very sad.

Except
The mental health issues are such that most will not show up or if they do, abandon whatever it is they are supposed to do.
Sad but I doubt there is any one simplistic solution.
 
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What would they have to cry about? You said it, "being forced" to do something they may not want to do. When you force people into an encampment based on some "criteria" that is not necessarily illegal (like being homeless) but rather subjectively "undesirable", there's a term for that, an internment camp. Think about it this way, how would you like to be forced into an internment camp for, I don't know, being Japanese or Jewish or Uyghur or any other feature/characteristic YOU may have that others find "undesirable".
Can't have it both ways here for starters.... Either you're advocating for an Ethnic or Religious group, or you're advocating for Criminals, Addicts, or other hazardous mental cases that threaten the majority of society; so which is it? Because right away I can tell you, there isn't anything criminal about being Japanese, Jewish, or Uyghur in the Western part of the world TODAY.

Nazi's did what they did to the Jewish because they were Jewish. China is doing what they're doing to the Uyghur because they are Muslim.....that is inexcusable to our western standards.

The Japanese is the exception to your example, because even though you and I can agree it was a horrible thing looking back at it. The reason was political, there was a threat. It was wartime, and the Japanese Empire threw their hat into in the ring of WW2 and bombed Pearl Harbour. And the leaders at the time did not want to risk getting spit-roasted by the Nazi's in the East, and the Japanese in the west. So they made that hasty decision to open camps as they did to suss out spies or any other forms of usurpation in the West. And unfortunately racial profiling was the name of the game... Again, it was wartime... Even faults were on both sides. Ever see the movies "Unbroken" or "Empire of the Sun"; when Japan occupied Shanghai, and sent all British citizens to interments camps as well?...was it wrong at the time? Who can say, 'it was war', when both sides think of themselves right and righteous...

Now relate that to hypothetical 'internment camps' for the homeless. Are we at war with these people? Well someone thought so in Langley last week, or when that DTES guy took a stick to a cop's head, making her shoot him down. Continued random acts of violence on unsuspecting people. ...and for what? Not for any racial or religious issue, not for any politicized reason, .....they're losers, that's it. Weak people, being weak, for the sake of weakness. And instead of overcoming their weakness, they defend it by offensively attacking anyone walking near their tent, instead of striving to be better... Weak people with too much power given to them by the current government party that's too afraid to make the hard call, like sending them to prison, rehab, or institution. So they multiply and exasperate the problem to what we have now. ...to the point the public is going to start fighting back...

...in my opinion, they have no choice but to get "forced", if they can't comply with the simple rules and laws we all abide by for a safer community, then why do they think they can compare themselves to an entire ethnicity, when even the Japanese today have their own set of losers (like marrying their body-pillows), or when even "Judenrats" were among the Jewish back then.....
 
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Can't have it both ways here for starters.... Either you're advocating for an Ethnic or Religious group, or you're advocating for Criminals, Addicts, or other hazardous mental cases that threaten the majority of society; so which is it? Because right away I can tell you, there isn't anything criminal about being Japanese, Jewish, or Uyghur in the Western part of the world TODAY.

Nazi's did what they did to the Jewish because they were Jewish. China is doing what they're doing to the Uyghur because they are Muslim.....that is inexcusable to our western standards.

The Japanese is the exception to your example, because even though you and I can agree it was a horrible thing looking back at it. The reason was political, there was a threat. It was wartime, and the Japanese Empire threw their hat into in the ring of WW2 and bombed Pearl Harbour. And the leaders at the time did not want to risk getting spit-roasted by the Nazi's in the East, and the Japanese in the west. So they made that hasty decision to open camps as they did to suss out spies or any other forms of usurpation in the West. And unfortunately racial profiling was the name of the game... Again, it was wartime... Even faults were on both sides. Ever see the movies "Unbroken" or "Empire of the Sun"; when Japan occupied Shanghai, and sent all British citizens to interments camps as well?...was it wrong at the time? Who can say, 'it was war', when both sides think of themselves right and righteous...

Now relate that to hypothetical 'internment camps' for the homeless. Are we at war with these people? Well someone thought so in Langley last week, or when that DTES guy took a stick to a cop's head, making her shoot him down. Continued random acts of violence on unsuspecting people. ...and for what? Not for any racial or religious issue, not for any politicized reason, .....they're losers, that's it. Weak people, being weak, for the sake of weakness. And instead of overcoming their weakness, they defend it by offensively attacking anyone walking near their tent, instead of striving to be better... Weak people with too much power given to them by the current government party that's too afraid to make the hard call, like sending them to prison, rehab, or institution. So they multiply and exasperate the problem to what we have now. ...to the point the public is going to start fighting back...

...in my opinion, they have no choice but to get "forced", if they can't comply with the simple rules and laws we all abide by for a safer community, then why do they think they can compare themselves to an entire ethnicity, when even the Japanese today have their own set of losers (like marrying their body-pillows), or when even "Judenrats" were among the Jewish back then.....
Well. Not going to get into WW2, but you make a point. When the problem simply isn't going away but becoming the backdrop of life, and continually growing, something is obviously going wrong. The fact that the homeless everywhere are entrenched and more and more demanding means we are the ones to blame. Any society in the past, including Canada, would have been much more heavy handed in cracking down on the absurd notion that it is normal to camp out on the main street in any city and not expect to be moved along. We have lost the plot. At this point the streets should be cleared and pressure washed. Where the residents go becomes of less interest to me the longer it goes on. They found their way downtown from all over Canada probably. The need to find somewhere else to go. Like away.
 
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Well. Not going to get into WW2, but you make a point. When the problem simply isn't going away but becoming the backdrop of life, and continually growing, something is obviously going wrong. The fact that the homeless everywhere are entrenched and more and more demanding means we are the ones to blame. Any society in the past, including Canada, would have been much more heavy handed in cracking down on the absurd notion that it is normal to camp out on the main street in any city and not expect to be moved along. We have lost the plot. At this point the streets should be cleared and pressure washed. Where the residents go becomes of less interest to me the longer it goes on. They found their way downtown from all over Canada probably. The need to find somewhere else to go. Like away.
Which makes me ask "what happened to bylaws about no loitering?
 
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Even before that,there use to be vagrancy laws,making people move on. Even getting thrown in jail.
So really. WTF happened?
 

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Too many to throw in jail. Have to be responsible for arresting them... too much money.

Solution: Pick the 5 richest neighbourhoods in Vancouver/Lower mainland area, and designated the closest parks as the place to tent out.... the rich people will then solve your problem... (I can see thrift shops thriving more...)
Or daft them all, and have the richest people in town lodge them at their own expense....
All those foreign owned houses that are vacant: lodge them there.... or at least give out those addresses.....
Vancouver has lots places to put these people....

Even provincial campgrounds cost and you have to reserve them....
 
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I remember Expo 86 and the problems when slumlords were kicking the tenants out of the downtown east side flop houses to make money housing Expo visitors. Must have been quite a shock to them when they arrived and saw where they were staying. My girlfriend at the time worked in a bank head office on Georgia Street. Some of the girls working in that branch were little rich princesses.
They were talking about the derelicts, asking "why do those people even want to live there anyway? They could buy a nice town house or condo in Burnaby or somewhere".
Same kind of cluelessness as the people in charge today.
 

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Any of you recall when we ( Vancouver) held the 2010 winter Olympics and Dan Rather covered a story of Vancouver's homeless issue? Well, the issue is now 10 fold larger than 2010. Just imagine now if we held a world event and aired that story. How would they handle that?
 

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Which makes me ask "what happened to bylaws about no loitering?
The Supreme Court said they violated peoples' rights.

That's the same Supreme Court that said forcing people into mental health institutions violated peoples' rights.

Basically the Supreme Court is the government now, it seems.
 
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Any of you recall when we ( Vancouver) held the 2010 winter Olympics and Dan Rather covered a story of Vancouver's homeless issue? Well, the issue is now 10 fold larger than 2010. Just imagine now if we held a world event and aired that story. How would they handle that?
Unfortunately our problem is identical to that of LA, San Francisco and Seattle. Too many drug addicts, no one doing anything to actually solve the problem.
 

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There is quite the dilemma about where the homeless tent occupants can move to after the fire chief declared it all a huge fire Hazzard.
I would recommend the livestock barns after the PNE fair ends for the season, a good pressure washing and some suitable flooring. The individual stalls would work great and there are plenty of washrooms and kitchen facilities already in place. The downsides would be that most likely they would not be able to find suitable housing before the fair next year and it would cause another dilemma at that time. They could leave during the fair times and move back in after, just seems that area is wasted by being empty, don’t know if there would be heating for winter.
It seems a bit absurd that they would locate problem street people into the brand new social housing going up in the Kitsilano neighborhood next to a school, something is not making sense with the decision making capabilities of those in charge.🤔
900 Block of Pandora in Victoria is full.
Sorry.
 
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