The reason why i posted what I did was cause a lot of these guys are making posts that these girls are all greedy bitches that are only out for the money, I was trying to paint the picture that its actually not true and you can make friends in this industryAnd just to clarify..because you highlighted this part of my post:
Which was in response to this specific comment:
I do realize you posted in response to it as well..
But just wanted to clarify that part was not meant for you or (the collective) you and was in response to as specific post.
k...hope that's more clear. lol
Dinner date with an escort
- Thread starter shoestring
- Start date
Of course I can understand men aren't interested in seeing sp's who are mechanical but the question of social rates doesn't determine whether an sp is mechanical or not. Women are also not interested in seeing men whose expectations go beyond what they are comfortable offering and who confuse the nature of the exchange.
I don't think it's tacky to include that clock-watcher comment in a review as it says something important about service and attitude. Not being a clock watcher doesn't mean the client got to stay an extra 30 minutes. It refers mostly to her attitude and it just means he didn't feel rushed out the door before or exactly on the hour. Of course, there are still times when the person does mean they stayed past their time and if they go out of their way to make it obvious the sp allowed them to stay 30min or 45min longer, for example, then yah - that is bragging and is also tacky and for sure she can expect there will be more than one guy who will be more likely to try to stay past his time too.
I don't think you're all that bad, I think that's kind of human nature. By making it sound like it was no big deal for her when he stayed longer, or that free dinner dates happen all the time and most sp's have no problem with it (and those who do have a problem are greedy and mechanical), men are just likely to assume she's ok with it so will expect and attempt to get the same (and feel offended if they get turned down). And in cases where she doesn't turn him down, it doesn't mean she isn't just going along because she felt bad or didn't know how to turn him down.
I never said I thought people would have bad intentions - just unfair and unrealistic expectations, which means it makes it harder for some sp's to set and have those boundaries respected. Boundaries are something that many people - and many sp's struggle with, especially in this line of work where the line is pretty blurry to begin with. Adding more confusion to the already blurry line leads to testing of boundaries, which is more added pressure no one needs. People aren't intentionally trying to push boundaries, they are just often unaware of them. This kind of thread, if no one questions it, result in confusion over boundaries - however well meaning the individual person is - that's just the way people are. So I'm the no-fun witch who just tries to remind people to consider these boundaries. lol
Anyway, I understand some of you may have a different perspective that considers only the client side - because you're clients and not sp's. I also realize some people are aware of boundaries and this thread won't change that but I also know some people, even if they don't have any bad intentions, don't really get it and this thread certainly could have re-enforced that. I'm just presenting you with the sp's side of it and how we may (or may not) be affected. That's all.
Totaly agree. That was very well said! :thumb:
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huh?I think the most important thing about all this is that people be clear and reasonable with their expectations on both sides.
Assuming a client will pay you to go to dinner is not reasonable grounds to be pissed if he doesn't, you have to be clear and if you don't know how to do that without being rude it's your responsibility to learn how, after all you are in the business of satisfying clients.
... Nor should a client immediately assume that an escort doesn't enjoy your company if she won't spend unpaid time with you. If the rest of her behavior suggests otherwise she most likely has personal obligations and priorities that simply don't make it possible.
anything less is simply cheating yourself.
There, now everyone can feel better.
Assuming a client will pay you to go to dinner is not reasonable grounds to be pissed if he doesn't, you have to be clear and if you don't know how to do that without being rude it's your responsibility to learn how, after all you are in the business of satisfying clients.
... Nor should a client immediately assume that an escort doesn't enjoy your company if she won't spend unpaid time with you. If the rest of her behavior suggests otherwise she most likely has personal obligations and priorities that simply don't make it possible.
anything less is simply cheating yourself.
There, now everyone can feel better.
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Everything is really a lot less grey and more black and white here. Granted their is a certain level of truth to everything it is still a lot less grey.
The whole reason for paying such a price is because the sp is attractive. Someone the OP cannot attain except through money. Or the poster has a common fetish for spending outrageous amounts of money on a product that isn`t worth it. See coffee store that sells same cup of coffee for 50 cents or $50.
SP`s want to make money. Some are greedy, and some genuinely like their clients, and job. Those that talk about the price has to be high are greedy. Those that honestly say not having sex should cost less are not.
How many unattractive women are their out there that can provide great intellectual conversation?
Granted a more attractive male, and/or charmer can get a SP and any other girl to do things others might have to pay for it.
I rest my case. Stop trying to make it more then what it is.
How many posts are already sort of on this topic already?
This reminds me of one of my pet peeves.... guys who try to get you to go past your comfort or safety zone because they`re really good looking.
First of all, it`s annoying when people feel self intitled to things that you haven`t offered or have specifically said won`t happen.
Secondly, if you`re as hot as you say you are... aren`t you gonna be getting with more girls than an average dude?
I`m gonna have to be EXTRA safe with you! (Especially if you use your charm to try be unsafe)
First - I haven`t even read the other thread, this is the only one I`ve followed and that`s why I`m responding to this one only. It doesn`t make a difference to me if a million posts on a hundred other threads are about the same topic - this is the thread we`re dealing with. One of these at once is quite enough for me, thanks.
Second - I happen to see the world of human interactions and dynamics as quite a bit more complex than you seem to so I`m going to save both of us time and not make us try to discuss something we both have a very different understanding of.
And finally - Thanks for the generous offer. I think I`ll pass for now but I`m sure that BS diploma makes your mamma real proud. :thumb:
Have I told you lately how awesome I think you are?
Excellent post!
Have I told you lately how awesome... oh, yeah... well, it bears repeating.
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All I heard was blah blah blah blah and more BLAH!
If I was in Van City I would soooooo book you for three hours, and we would not be having dinner! You are as feisty as ever!
Wow - I find this thread almost depressing.
I pay my dentist to fix my teeth - he also comes to my house for my annual Xmas party. I don't pay him for that. In fact, some of the people I pay for services (lawyers, accountants) take ME out for dinner. Why is it so weird that people in this industry, clients or escorts, can't be humans and friends. If you choose to be otherwise ( i.e. you feel there is no fucking way you would spend a second with someone who wasn't paying you for it), that is your choice. The escorts who are complaining are protecting their market.
I pay my dentist to fix my teeth - he also comes to my house for my annual Xmas party. I don't pay him for that. In fact, some of the people I pay for services (lawyers, accountants) take ME out for dinner. Why is it so weird that people in this industry, clients or escorts, can't be humans and friends. If you choose to be otherwise ( i.e. you feel there is no fucking way you would spend a second with someone who wasn't paying you for it), that is your choice. The escorts who are complaining are protecting their market.
[video]http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6d22f67353/brostitute-with-tim-roth?rel=player&playlist=310727[/video]
this video reminded me of this thread
this video reminded me of this thread
Yeah that comment about "do you ask your dentist/lawyer etc to give you free services??" was one of the stupidest comments on PERB I've ever seen (and there have been A LOT!)
there is no right or wrong way.
its bascilly a knee jerk comment to say its wrong to pay for social time
what percentage of the population will say your a looser if your paying for sex, i will never pay for sex. or sell it either.
a large portion of the population think like that, i would say hobbiest are in the minority,
so what is the big deal if some one has supper with some on and its free, or he pays.
your sp can feel lonely one night get picked up in the bar and some one can fuck her for free to while you have paid.
an sp that doesn't have free social time is not a bitch,
nor is a guy that pays for it a looser,
if you go down that road aren't we all loosers for paying in the first place
its bascilly a knee jerk comment to say its wrong to pay for social time
what percentage of the population will say your a looser if your paying for sex, i will never pay for sex. or sell it either.
a large portion of the population think like that, i would say hobbiest are in the minority,
so what is the big deal if some one has supper with some on and its free, or he pays.
your sp can feel lonely one night get picked up in the bar and some one can fuck her for free to while you have paid.
an sp that doesn't have free social time is not a bitch,
nor is a guy that pays for it a looser,
if you go down that road aren't we all loosers for paying in the first place
Lol. The fact is, an ESCORT is called an ESCORT because one of the services she offers is to ESCORT you to a social event or to dinner or wherever you'd like to have COMPANIONSHIP. Whether you would pay for this service is up to you.
The other fact is lawyers and dentists NEVER charge you for accompaniment to social events, otherwise you would call them escorts too, no?
I hate to break it to you. Most escorts are really Sex Providers.....
When they list their services it isn't in their fast knowledge in certain subjects political, and science to name a few. They do not have training in high end social functions for the rich and famous on average.
I am not saying a SP is dumb etc. I am saying that her area of expertise is not really to attend a social gathering and pretend to be our gf in front of family, friends, and business partners. It is true there are escorts who actually can do this but, that is truly rare these days.
If I was attending a conference in a vacation/resort hot spot there wouldn't be too many SP's I would trust to take with me. They would have to be extremely in control of their emotions to not ruin my reputation for one. Over lengths of time everyone can get into an argument with anyone. Especially if you are sleeping in the same bed. Not to mention they would be trusted with vital information.
I also highly doubt many of the escorts posting here have done this very often. What seems to be easy great money is actually a lot of prep work.
Going out for dinner one on one with the purpose of having sex later is just foreplay for a sex provider/client on average. I do enjoy this type of service myself at a reduced rate.
I name is just a name. Calling yourself something doesn't mean you are that. The services I see listed for most SP's is about sex with very little input on anything else.
For more information go to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution
From a legal perspective, escort agencies claim that they are dispatching these individuals to provide a social or conversational service, since prostitution laws often forbid taking payment for sex or communicating for the purpose of arranging a contract for sexual services. Advertisements for escort agencies often carefully skirt the legal line, and avoid specifically offering prostitution or sexual services.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution
From a legal perspective, escort agencies claim that they are dispatching these individuals to provide a social or conversational service, since prostitution laws often forbid taking payment for sex or communicating for the purpose of arranging a contract for sexual services. Advertisements for escort agencies often carefully skirt the legal line, and avoid specifically offering prostitution or sexual services.
I have to ad that paying a escort $100-$300/hour for a long term social commitment is crazy. in one week that could be around $50, 000....
We all know about the movie pretty woman she got around $3000 + clothes and that was a movie. Richard Gere was one of the wealthiest men on the planet in that movie also lol! She had to act, dress, and eat a certain way while still putting out. This is a movie and not the norm lol.
Like the movie in a long term transaction emotions come into play. I remember one girl refusing to give me a bj when I had asked for it. She started to feel like more like a gf/wife instead of a escort. She became attached also and her emotions were running wild.
We all know about the movie pretty woman she got around $3000 + clothes and that was a movie. Richard Gere was one of the wealthiest men on the planet in that movie also lol! She had to act, dress, and eat a certain way while still putting out. This is a movie and not the norm lol.
Like the movie in a long term transaction emotions come into play. I remember one girl refusing to give me a bj when I had asked for it. She started to feel like more like a gf/wife instead of a escort. She became attached also and her emotions were running wild.
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Just because the 'escorting' part of the many services an escort can provide isn't the biggest sector of her business does not mean it does not exist.
It is an absolute fact that there are people who hire escorts for non-sexual work. It's fine if you would never do that, but to insinuate it should not be done, or that it's ridiculous is incredibly arrogant.
Live and let live for christs sake!
It is an absolute fact that there are people who hire escorts for non-sexual work. It's fine if you would never do that, but to insinuate it should not be done, or that it's ridiculous is incredibly arrogant.
Live and let live for christs sake!
