Every John, Dick & Harry - CIM Syndrome.......

[Dark_Knight]

Just want them to know, that if they are not totally OK with it, there are guys out here who will happily see them if they restrict their service to CBJ.

Which is all the words you had needed

 

[Bad Santa]

I was and am still quite hestitant to comment on this topic but I feel for Bad Santa who seems to be getting abit beaten up over this topic. I offer cbj myself but I understand what kendra was stating about the newbies very well. I'm still just coming up to my one year mark with my job and I can tell you for sure the amount of pressure I dealt with from my clients in the first months was like a storm, it was hard for me to resist saying no when I was trying to please them and also still un sure of what my 'duties' were as an sp. I have learned so much more not only about my body and regular types of female health like minor and common infections but also an incredible amount more about sti's and std's. I am not saying that I would try and convert any sp's who offer BB service since I literally can control nothing outside of my body and its not my place to tell anyone how to live their life or do their work. But I do appreciate the value of the topic being broached like I have many other topics that have been brought up here before. I learn alot from this board both in the lounge, health and review section about how to better my own work habits or health. I have no doubt that the sp's who offer BB service now have all the maturity and ability to research the possibilities that could arise, but none the less I find it helpful to talk about the entire spectrum of the pooner/sp experience. I can see how feathers get ruffled and I don't personally think the offering of BBBJ leads to BBFS by any means, I also don't think Bad santa truly meant it if he was willing to not only retract that part in his OP but also several times in comments back to members now to clarify his mistake in his OP.

Xo

Thank you so much for your comments Orianna and for standing your ground on this issue in the face of all that pressure! I think your and Kendra's comments will do so much for any other SPs reading this to know they will do just fine if they do only what is comfortable for them. They will ultimately be happier in their work and will be better SPs because they will be doing their job on their own terms rather than the terms dictated and demanded by someone trying to pressure them into providing something they are really unsure about.

Your and Kendra's brave example will show any other women in this trade that you can set your own limits and still be successful!

Sorry Bad Santa do not intend to hijack your thread. I can not quote each and everyone but each one have highlighted few good points:

-SP's can do as they wish and we can choose whom to see!
-SP's who offer BBBJ will not loose business neither those offering CBJ
-I believe "The risks involved in BBBJ are almost equal to those by DATY"
-SP's and hobbyist should enjoy and accept each others' differences

To each his own, for SP's just be honest about your services...don't prey or set hobbyist up (wrongfully advertise) to get more business you might win a session but you will loose a lot more...

I agree with pretty much everything you are saying in this post Dr. X including the red highlighted portion, except if the BBBJ includes CIM. If that occurs the risk is higher because so many infections can be carried in semen.

Which is all the words you had needed

DK, if that's all I'd said, no one would have paid any attention to this thread. I had to dress it up a little to get some attention for what many think is a very important topic.

 

[Puddlegurl]

Wow un autruche lol

Seriously are you aware that many ladies that call themself safe gfe and only advertise cbj do actually provide bbbj but do not wish to be judge by people like you.So don't advertise it and ask guys to not put in their reviews.So the next SP you see and think that only provide cbj you may be dead wrong.Think that she actually doesn't have an SO or boyfriend with who she sleep without protection
I am aware of the risk..i get tested..I don't need a lecture from someone that sleep with his SO without any protection and god know if that person hasn't done anything anywhere else.
I am responsible of what happen between my door and what happen outside i cannot do anything neither know what the other person has done before me or after...

It is quite interesting that quebec/ontario is known for GFE =bbbj and the STD rates is actually not to the raise...FYI it is in Edmonton though

BTW very blatant to say that we will provide bbfs..That is a big insult that you are trowing out there

To end yes i am fully aware that some will not see me because i use strap-on,because i provide bbbj,snowball,cim etc but they are just hypocrite as i can easily provide a safe gfe session,no kissing..You can wrap me in saran rap if do not wish to have any skin to skin contact
and it will be the same that with a "safe-gfe" provider

p.s if you are avoiding sps like me you might want to avoid your favorites because they have had a session with some guys that i had session with= we have mutual clients

VJ

Exactly!! Omg, How anyone thinks DATY is any safer than bbbj, how do you know the girl doesn't have herpes? or yeast infection? and just not in outbreak mode, How do you know when you bury your face in her pussy she wasn't just with another man before you with a cold sore... There's so many "what-ifs" in this world if you're not a risk taker you certainly aren't going to enjoy your pooning, and as for the bbfs, that makes my blood boil. Not a freakin chance in hell would I give that to anyone, even if I was dating. Thats such an ignorant statement. And I agree, ALOT of girls offer services in private they don't advertise out of fear, only a few of us are dead straight honest of what we offer. Xoxoxo

 

[Bad Santa]

Exactly!! Omg, How anyone thinks DATY is any safer than bbbj, how do you know the girl doesn't have herpes? or yeast infection? and just not in outbreak mode, How do you know when you bury your face in her pussy she wasn't just with another man before you with a cold sore... There's so many "what-ifs" in this world if you're not a risk taker you certainly aren't going to enjoy your pooning, and as for the bbfs, that makes my blood boil. Not a freakin chance in hell would I give that to anyone, even if I was dating. Thats such an ignorant statement. And I agree, ALOT of girls offer services in private they don't advertise out of fear, only a few of us are dead straight honest of what we offer. Xoxoxo

Jesse, I just want to remind you that I retracted the "BBFS" statement, I've agreed that I went too far with it and I have apologized for it. If you want me to I will apologize once again to anyone I offended with that statement which I have edited out of my OP.

As for DATY being somewhat risky, I agree. Even though I enjoy DATY and DFK I never pressure any SP into providing either for me. I gratefully take what is offered and enjoy myself. And I don't begrudge any SP who enthusiastically and with full knowledge of the risks offers BBBJs with CIM. More power to you.

I just don't want any SP to feel she has to provide these services because so many other SPs are providing it and because they think all clients want this service.

Is there really anything wrong with that?

 

[mistressfreyja]

+1, Spermie

Appreciating Jedi advice.....

The only problem is that I have both a pair of brown leather and a pair of black patent leather shoes that are identical. Both are my favorite shoes, cuz I don't HAVE to choose, outside of which one matches my outfit better (Sorry, I digress from the endless debate on the same subject.)

BS, I know you mean well.

Bad Santa, I always respect and appreciate all your posts . . . but you need to understand any topic having to do with BBBJ and CIM will always be controversial just like the age-old debate of brown shoes versus black shoes. Each side has its pros and cons and each side will NEVER reach an agreement.

Party on.

 

[Mick Shagher]

After reading this thread it sounds to me like Santa got into an expired batch of Mrs. Claus' Christmas cake.

 

[Bad Santa]

Bad Santa, I always respect and appreciate all your posts . . . but you need to understand any topic having to do with BBBJ and CIM will always be controversial just like the age-old debate of brown shoes versus black shoes. Each side has its pros and cons and each side will NEVER reach an agreement.

Party on.

Once again Spermie, I defer to you. You're right, it's a neverending debate like brown shoes versus black shoes. We all have our axe to grind.

+1, Spermie

Appreciating Jedi advice.....

The only problem is that I have both a pair of brown leather and a pair of black patent leather shoes that are identical. Both are my favorite shoes, cuz I don't HAVE to choose, outside of which one matches my outfit better (Sorry, I digress from the endless debate on the same subject.)

BS, I know you mean well.

And of course Mistress Freyja, I will always defer to you anytime you want me to! On my knees, at your feet, under your whip, you name it!

After reading this thread it sounds to me like Santa got into an expired batch of Mrs. Claus' Christmas cake.

More like cake all over my face as usual Mick! And cookies, muffins and cupcakes! All very safe of course!

 

[Lilithlovesme]

Well I personally feel that this whole thread is a bit pointless. Of course we know as providers that we will draw in certain clients and alienate other based on the services we offer and how we choose to advertise and screen our clientele.

It is a great big world out there with many different clients and providers all with different service levels. I don't offer half hour sessions and am well aware of the fact that I am losing business from the 'quickie' market for example. It is up to each provider to determine what they are comfortable with and what kind of business they would like to have, and it is up to each client to make choices based on what is available and what they are comfortable with. Girls who offer BBBJ know that they are alienating at least some of the CBJ market, and vice versa for CBJ girls. You will never please everyone no matter what you offer so the best practice is to do what you are comfortable with while making informed choices.

 

[Pillowtalk]

Exactly!! Omg, How anyone thinks DATY is any safer than bbbj, how do you know the girl doesn't have herpes? or yeast infection? and just not in outbreak mode, How do you know when you bury your face in her pussy she wasn't just with another man before you with a cold sore... There's so many "what-ifs" in this world if you're not a risk taker you certainly aren't going to enjoy your pooning, and as for the bbfs, that makes my blood boil. Not a freakin chance in hell would I give that to anyone, even if I was dating. Thats such an ignorant statement. And I agree, ALOT of girls offer services in private they don't advertise out of fear, only a few of us are dead straight honest of what we offer. Xoxoxo

Actually someone who makes this statement shows that they have not taken the 20 seconds to read the Health Forum's std chart link.

I am constantly amazed at how few people (usually ones who provide and prefer bbbjs) want to actually look at the statistics, and make a rather absurd assumption based on "just because".

Also, that CIM is more dangerous that bbbj. Why? Does the guy have one of those miracle penises where absolutely no fluid comes out of it until ejaculation? Does the sp performing the bbbj think that she is magically immune to anything traveling in those fluids, just as long as there is no CIM, and swallow?

I have no problem with informed decisions, but trying to pass along myths and assumptions like facts to justify a choice to put yourself and others at a higher risk is illogical. Saying that you are aware of the risks and accept them, no problem. Trying to say daty is just as high a risk when the facts don't support that, is ridiculous. Assuming there are only 2 stds out there, so therefore daty and bbbj are equal risks, is spreading misinformation (i.e. the opposite of fear mongering, lol, and worse because it gives people an illusion of safety that isn't there. Increasing the risks because you think one service is "just as" risky doesn't make any sense, when the alternative is to lower the risks, don't you think? Isn't it more logical to do cbjs and not offer daty, than it is to say you might as well do bbbjs if you offer daty? )

But besides all of that, your argument regarding the relative risks only prove that you know that bbbjs are a high risk activity, and your description of it all simply makes me wonder why you would offer it when you believe it to be dangerous to your health. Had you not tried to make the link between daty and bbbj, I wouldn't have replied here.

 

[Gomez Adams]

Does the guy have one of those miracle penises where absolutely no fluid comes out of it until ejaculation?

Well no, not me....but I still thinks its nonpareil.

 

[Puddlegurl]

You seriously cannot believe everything you read right? We all are entitled to our own opinion, and men who finger lick and suck pussy and their fluids take the same risk as us bbbj providers, EVERYTHING in the "escort" world is considered "high risk" .... higher risk is going to the bar and having a one night stand with someone who has no clue about safe sex.
Do all you men who get cold sores refrain from DATY? I doubt it.. Kissing is risky, letting a SP use a toy on you is risky... you can go on and on.. Its not being stupid and getting to know you're SP and see how she lives her life and the hours she keeps that will speak volumes about her physical health.

Actually someone who makes this statement shows that they have not taken the 20 seconds to read the Health Forum's std chart link.

I am constantly amazed at how few people (usually ones who provide and prefer bbbjs) want to actually look at the statistics, and make a rather absurd assumption based on "just because".

Also, that CIM is more dangerous that bbbj. Why? Does the guy have one of those miracle penises where absolutely no fluid comes out of it until ejaculation? Does the sp performing the bbbj think that she is magically immune to anything traveling in those fluids, just as long as there is no CIM, and swallow?

I have no problem with informed decisions, but trying to pass along myths and assumptions like facts to justify a choice to put yourself and others at a higher risk is illogical. Saying that you are aware of the risks and accept them, no problem. Trying to say daty is just as high a risk when the facts don't support that, is ridiculous. Assuming there are only 2 stds out there, so therefore daty and bbbj are equal risks, is spreading misinformation (i.e. the opposite of fear mongering, lol, and worse because it gives people an illusion of safety that isn't there. Increasing the risks because you think one service is "just as" risky doesn't make any sense, when the alternative is to lower the risks, don't you think? Isn't it more logical to do cbjs and not offer daty, than it is to say you might as well do bbbjs if you offer daty? )

But besides all of that, your argument regarding the relative risks only prove that you know that bbbjs are a high risk activity, and your description of it all simply makes me wonder why you would offer it when you believe it to be dangerous to your health. Had you not tried to make the link between daty and bbbj, I wouldn't have replied here.

Oh yes, and I have read ALL the facts about bbbj vs daty.. And have worked as a nurse so trust me, I'm educated, and making my own choices.
And the bbbj is something I offer, I have no problem if I'm asked to do a CBJ, its up to the gentleman.

 

[Dr_X_man]

Really! You must be joking right!
You have to know the difference between facts, statistics, data, results, scientific/calculated guess, scientific conlusions:
If not probably you should read (maybe read wikipedia) before jumping to conclusions!
Sorry that I had to quote it

Actually someone who makes this statement shows that they have not taken the 20 seconds to read the Health Forum's std chart link.
I have no problem with informed decisions, but trying to pass along myths and assumptions like facts to justify a choice to put yourself and others at a higher risk is illogical. Saying that you are aware of the risks and accept them, no problem.

 

[Gomez Adams]

"Is that how your mom taught you how to behave while doing it doggy style with your SP?"

MOM?!? That is just gross Fiddy....shouldnt it be your sister who teaches you those things, or at least a first cousin.

 

[Gomez Adams]

Really! You must be joking right!
You have to know the difference between facts, statistics, data, results, scientific/calculated guess, scientific conlusions:
If not probably you should read (maybe read wikipedia) before jumping to conclusions!
Sorry that I had to quote it

I honestly dont have a clue what you are talking about or trying to say half the time Dr_X_man. Pillowtalk knows what she is talking about and pointed everyone in precisely the right direction to the Perb Health Forum where you will find very credible and accurate information on this subject, and in my opinion more reliable than Wikepedia lol.

 

[Dr_X_man]

I honestly dont have a clue what you are talking about or trying to say half the time Dr_X_man.

Me neither, I honestly don't have a clue what you are talking about or trying to say half the time Gomez Adams specially when you say something and mean the opposite! Specially when you are being sarcastic and use just a smilie and expect us to understand that you mean completely the opposite what's written!

Pillowtalk knows what she is talking about and pointed everyone in precisely the right direction to the Perb Health Forum where you will find very credible and accurate information on this subject, and in my opinion more reliable than Wikepedia lol.

That's good for you. But before jumping to conclusions and because I value, respect you and everyone. I will explain more:
Statistics are not solid facts an example of a fact is the earth rotates about its axis, or rotates around the sun...
Statistics are made on a population or simply a group and normally it's not the whole full population! Say a sample of 50, that does not conclude that the whole population will abide...therefore they will place some sort of confidence intervals...
A scientific conclusion is much stronger than a statistic:
Example Z=X+Y whatever X or Y values Z will always equal X+Y
The question is how can we use scientific reasoning and conclusions in the medical field?
It can be used only if we have a full understanding of the topic or disease. As I have stated it is unfortunate that medical science is based on empirical, trial and errors, experience...

Let's get back to the topic at hand BBBJ and DATY. If I use scientific reasoning I'd say the risks are almost the same both are categorized under oral sex. Some say the penis produces fluids so as the vagina. The acidity level of the fluids may help some disease transmittion..

 

[Gomez Adams]

If I use scientific reasoning I'd say the risks are almost the same both are categorized under oral sex.

Well then use scientific reasoning, because all you are doing here is offering your uninformed opinion.

 

[Dr_X_man]

ok
DATY https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?56982-Ooops....-now-what&p=528593&viewfull=1#post528593
BBBJ https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?58253-BBBJ-and-the-Risks
The mouth generally is a hostile environment for HIV, because an enzyme in saliva has been shown to inhibit
HIV...
What is the difference?

 

[Gomez Adams]

ok

What is the difference?

I read this from the Health Nurse's postings...

I have cut and pasted a section that we did on the risks of DATY

Risk for the person performing oral sex on a woman:

The STD risks could be herpes, syphilis and possibly hepatitis B. Even if a woman had chlamydia or gonorrhea it would be difficult to pass these infections to the throat of the person performing oral sex.

The risk from HIV is considered extremely low. STD’s such as herpes or syphilis could increase the risk of HIV.


DFK

This is considered a very low risk activity and we do not see many STD’s transmitted this way. The most common would be herpes. It could also be possible to pass syphilis this way if they were infected.

In regard to HIV risk, I have included a paragraph from the CDC in the states were they report that they have only documented one case that may be attributed.

“The risk of acquiring HIV during open-mouth kissing is believed to be very low. CDC has investigated only one case of HIV infection that may be attributed to contact with blood during open-mouth kissing.”

What can you do to reduce the risk?

It can be very difficult to work out an individual risk as there are so many factors that make up that risk.

What we do know is that there are certain activities that are higher risk than others. DFK and DATY are lower risk activities for HIV transmission. You can also further reduce this risk by using a barrier such as a dental dam, cut a flavored condom on one side or use glad wrap.

What I would recommend is to get regular testing and the hepatitis B vaccine as the hepatitis B virus can be found in vaginal fluid and saliva.
Please feel free to comment or ask us to expand on a topic. Remember if you would like to ask me a personal question just send me a PM.

HN
www.stdresource.com

Oral sex risk:

One common question that we get asked is “what are the risks related to oral sex?” We will address the most commonly transmitted infections via oral sex.

The risk to men when receiving oral sex:

The most common infections that are transmitted via oral sex are gonorrhea, syphilis and possibly chlamydia. Often there are no symptoms when people have these infections in the throat. I know it is hard to believe that when you are peeing “razor blades” that your partner had no symptoms in their throat.

If someone has herpes simplex on the mouth (cold sores) this could pass to the genitals. Herpes is most infectious when a sore is present to when it is completely healed back to good skin. There is some risk of shedding the virus when there is no sore. A good resource for Herpes information is www.herpesresourcecenter.com

The risk from HIV is considered extremely low. STD’s such as herpes or syphilis could increase the risk of HIV.

Risk for the person performing oral sex on a woman:

The STD risks could be herpes, syphilis and possibly hepatitis B. Even if a woman had chlamydia or gonorrhea it would be difficult to pass these infections to the throat of the person performing oral sex.

The risk from HIV is considered extremely low. STD’s such as herpes or syphilis could increase the risk of HIV.

The risk to a woman when receiving oral sex:

Again the main concern would be from herpes and syphilis.

Risk to the person performing oral sex on a man:

The most common infections that can pass to the throat are gonorrhea, syphilis and possibly chlamydia.

HIV is a known risk but is considered very low. Ejaculate (cum) in the mouth could increase the risk if you have open sores, bleeding gums or a throat infection.

Hepatitis B is also a possible risk.

What risk is OK for me?

This is a very individual question and everyone has to make up their own mind of what risk is acceptable. For example someone could have lower risk sexual contact but if they did get an STD the impact on their personal life would be problematic. I.e. someone with a steady partner, who contracts gonorrhea through oral sex, while easily treated, may have issues to consider regarding steady partner e.g. will they need treatment. So there are infection risks but also “social risks” to consider when deciding what type of sex you are having.

What symptoms would I notice?

Urethritis means inflammation of the urethra (pee tube). It can be caused by gonorrhea, chlamydia or other pathogens. The most common symptoms include burning when you pee, discharge from the penis and an itch or “awareness” in the urethra. If someone has urethritis, and tests for chlamydia and gonorrhea are negative, then it is commonly called non gonococcal urethritis (NGU). They are all easily treated with antibiotics.

Syphilis: May have a non-painful open sore and/or a rash on the trunk or palms.

Herpes: Usually painful open sores.

Sometimes a sore throat could be caused by gonorrhea.

Remember most STD/HIV show no symptoms, which is why we always recommend regular testing.

In summary:

•Oral sex is lower risk than vaginal or rectal sex.
•That it is impossible to look at an individual and determine if they have any infection.
•Most STD’s do not show symptoms so it is a good idea to get regular testing.
•Infectious such as Chlamydia, gonorrhea and syphilis are 100% curable, but if left untreated can cause irreversible damage to the body.
•Hepatitis B vaccination will protect you and is free at our clinics or your public health unit.
•We know that it can be embarrassing to discuss these issues, but remember our clinics offer confidential testing and we are use to discussing these topics.
•To reduce your risk of oral sex men can wear condoms and dental dams can be used for vaginal contact.

Feed back or questions are welcome.

Health Nurse
www.stdresource.com

So basically what I understand from this is that for HIV the risks are low for DATY or BBBJ. What I see as the main difference is chlamydia or gonorrhea, those can be transmitted to the man receiving a BBBJ more likely than the man getting it from DATY and likewise for the lady. The other STD's are mostly the same risk.

What I do note is that in every description of how to lower the risks there is the recommendation for regular testing. I choose my companions responsibly and maintain my own restrictions and limits, along with regular check ups and reasonable condom protection I have never caught more than a cold from an SP before, or maybe I gave it to her....who knows.

 

[Dr_X_man]

So basically what I understand from this is that for HIV the risks are low for DATY or BBBJ.
::
The other STD's are mostly the same risk.

Finaly that was my uninformed opinion!

 

[Mick Shagher]

Expired cake tastes fresh again when you dip it in egg batter and deep-fry it like French toast. For real.

Admit it Spermie. You watch Rachel Ray every afternoon, don't you?