Your Definitions on Morality

[SPecial]

Recently I have been blasted for being disrecpectful for referring to women as "bitches" on a couple of occassions. Do you guys ever refer to women as "bitches?" Yes I agree that it is offensive when used infront of female that you don't know well. But I think the lines are switched when her clothes come off for you. In a age where media presents the usage the word of "bitch" in cartoons, sitcoms and talkshows which isn't bleeped out, I can't help but feel it is the norm as this is how many I come into contact with talk about women. (To save your flamings, yes, I hang out with sumbags who use such words. But so do Bill Maher and Dr. Stephen Colbert)

As defined by most women, paying for sex is a "digrace and disrepectful act as it objectifies women as a commodity capable of being bought by money." I can't say I agree 100%. But I can't say this is a noble cause either.

So what do you guys think?

Here is an excerpt of the piece I wrote on "morality" a while back.
"The subjective morality has formed over time into a concrete and objective state of being to the subject instead of achieving a need for higher moral fibres of the intellectual to the factual. Although many still pounder the boundaries, body and soul of what morality means, the majority of us has it stamped across our books of life. Without striving for equilibrium of morale values across the globe, the morale values of the strong and vocal has been adopted to a state of law. Being the society with its patterns of today, most people define morality as others have taught them, or as great men have taught the world. However, where is the originality in the diversity of each and every morale fibre? Morality itself is a paradoxical philosophy as any other which essence lay in the eye of the beholder. Thou shall not kill would be a moral law for one. And to kill the being which has killed or is expected to kill would be a moral law for another. As far as paradoxes go, it is a dangerous game to play picking sides of the yin-yang."

Looking forward to the chat gentlemen,
-SPecial Just being who I am. No more, no less.

 

[HankQuinlan]

Ok, Grasshopper. Listen up. Morality is not a tough concept.

#1. It is NOT about following a list of rules dreamed up by committees of people who write laws or religious texts.

#2. It IS about having respect for others. The most trite cliches sum it up far better than whatever philosophical discourse you are going on about: "Follow the Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." "Keep your word." etc, etc.

If you can call a woman "Bitch" while following that concept (and I expect you could in some mutually agreed roleplay situation), then fill your boots.

 

[jesuschrist]

Here is an excerpt of the piece I wrote on "morality" a while back.
"The subjective morality has formed over time into a concrete and objective state of being to the subject instead of achieving a need for higher moral fibres of the intellectual to the factual. Although many still pounder the boundaries, body and soul of what morality means, the majority of us has it stamped across our books of life. Without striving for equilibrium of morale values across the globe, the morale values of the strong and vocal has been adopted to a state of law. Being the society with its patterns of today, most people define morality as others have taught them, or as great men have taught the world. However, where is the originality in the diversity of each and every morale fibre? Morality itself is a paradoxical philosophy as any other which essence lay in the eye of the beholder. Thou shall not kill would be a moral law for one. And to kill the being which has killed or is expected to kill would be a moral law for another. As far as paradoxes go, it is a dangerous game to play picking sides of the yin-yang."

Looking forward to the chat gentlemen,
-SPecial Just being who I am. No more, no less.

Way to go confusing and making excuses for yourself with that pseudo-intellectual incoherent garbage you posted - it's actual value is just mental masturbation and nothing more.

It's really very simple, and not much to do with "morality".

"Bitch" is a pejorative, like "Chink", "Nigger", "Wop", "Kike", "Cunt", "Nip", "Gook", "Faggot" and even "Whitey". Select groups find these terms offensive because its purpose is to offend. That is why they are pejoratives.

Just because a woman spreads her legs to make money, and just because other women look down upon this, does it mean that one who does should be disrespected with a pejorative - especially by the person who engages that woman for her services????????? IT'S REALLY THAT SIMPLE.

Media makes some pejoratives the norm because it uses it as a pejorative for the sake of comedy, etc. That doesn't change what it is - which is offensive. Being offensive in comedy is not uncommon. Should what one sees in mass media be welcome in everyday life?
IT'S REALLY THAT SIMPLE.

 

[Larry Storch]

I'm only posting here because my sig is relevant.

 

[badbadboy]

Recently I have been blasted for being disrecpectful for referring to women as "bitches" on a couple of occassions. Do you guys ever refer to women as "bitches?" Yes I agree that it is offensive when used infront of female that you don't know well. But I think the lines are switched when her clothes come off for you. In a age where media presents the usage the word of "bitch" in cartoons, sitcoms and talkshows which isn't bleeped out, I can't help but feel it is the norm as this is how many I come into contact with talk about women. (To save your flamings, yes, I hang out with sumbags who use such words. But so do Bill Maher and Dr. Stephen Colbert)

As defined by most women, paying for sex is a "digrace and disrepectful act as it objectifies women as a commodity capable of being bought by money." I can't say I agree 100%. But I can't say this is a noble cause either.

So what do you guys think?

Here is an excerpt of the piece I wrote on "morality" a while back.
"The subjective morality has formed over time into a concrete and objective state of being to the subject instead of achieving a need for higher moral fibres of the intellectual to the factual. Although many still pounder the boundaries, body and soul of what morality means, the majority of us has it stamped across our books of life. Without striving for equilibrium of morale values across the globe, the morale values of the strong and vocal has been adopted to a state of law. Being the society with its patterns of today, most people define morality as others have taught them, or as great men have taught the world. However, where is the originality in the diversity of each and every morale fibre? Morality itself is a paradoxical philosophy as any other which essence lay in the eye of the beholder. Thou shall not kill would be a moral law for one. And to kill the being which has killed or is expected to kill would be a moral law for another. As far as paradoxes go, it is a dangerous game to play picking sides of the yin-yang."

Looking forward to the chat gentlemen,
-SPecial Just being who I am. No more, no less.

Using derogatory terms like "Bitch" has no place whether its with people you know or SP's you are paying to have sex with because it is purely disrespectful. It does not matter how well you know her. If she says during the act "call me your dirty little bitch or whore" then you have the green light since some prefer to be demeaned in this manner. Its not your call to say it up front.

Look up the term "respectful objectification" and read some of the views of women who enjoy this work and see how they liked to be spoken to with clients.

Calling a woman a bitch just reminds me of rappers and how they have been able to homogenize terms like bitch, whore, slut etc. This is not acceptable to most people and I am not exactly what you would call a PC person either. Comparing your ability to say Bitch just like Bill Maher or Stephen Colbert is pretty grandiose wouldn't you agree? When did Stephen Colbert become a Doctor?

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Sorry, "Bitch" is not an appropriate or acceptable (or civilized, for that matter) way to refer to women, nor will it ever be even if every last male celebrity or talk show host uses it.

 

[connor666]

Bitch also implies that she is a mean person. Or you don't get along with her.

I never use that term in my reviews unless the girl pretty much ripped me off.

What turns me on is calling an escort a whore. I get in trouble for writing that, but that is a more apt description.

I never say it upfront. Take the advice of earlier posta, it is always more appropriate to ask a girl upfront if sexual vulgar language is allowed.

 

[grusse]

it's ok to call a female a bitch......if she has 4 legs.

 

[kerrixoxo]

I think it depends on context in how the terms are used and how they are directed at the person. However, with that being said, if a male subject decided to call a woman a "bitch" whether out of play or insulting her, I think it also depends on how she reacts to him--one only solidifies the context by acknowleding it.

In terms of morality, most adults don't make it past stage three of Kohlberg's stages of moral development--so that explains a lot right there

Xo

 

[Surrey's Jewel]

My take:

It's just a word - relaaax ! It's actions we need to worry about.

 

[Tugela]

Words like that are used in anger or in contempt. I dont see that there is any situation where it is OK, allthough I can understand that people would do it when really pissed off.

It shows your negative attitude to women in general if you are using it casually though. I think that is the sort of use that most people find offensive.

 

[HankQuinlan]

I see that the original poster is "banned." It is not hard to imagine he made an offensive post, but there is nothing in Perbatory in reference as to why.

 

[Big Dog Striker]

Come to think of it, in Hollywood which is known for its low morals and people losing their souls or selling it, " BITCH " is still pretty much considered taboo in the industry. You can call anyone anything but you will rarely hear someone call a female a bitch from the studios to offices of CAA and William Morris-Endeavor no matter how powerful or rich they are. :nod:

 

[sevenofnine]

I think morality can be defined two ways.
What our culture and society tells us.

And what we personally feel is well right or wrong.


I tend to think the ladies are too sensitive on words. Not necessary the b word but well other words. Its only a word.
An english prof told me once any word can be used it just needs the right situation.

For a guy that enjoys writing and reading, you know words are meaningless when it comes to judging a person We hide behind them
A person's actions are what is important. We use words not to tell the truth but to deflect it.
Like I said a person's actions are the only thing important when judging a person.

And as far as the written word, We write to entertain to enform
I have read all my life countless books, and the older I get the more I read for not what is said.
But for what is left out.

Some one once said we may never know the truth only its shadow, the truth is not held in words or someone's perception of events, The truth lies in what is left out.

 

[screwtape1963]

I tend to think the ladies are too sensitive on words. Not necessary the b word but well other words. Its only a word.
An english prof told me once any word can be used it just needs the right situation.

For a guy that enjoys writing and reading, you know words are meaningless when it comes to judging a person. We hide behind them.

A person's actions are what is important. We use words not to tell the truth but to deflect it.
Like I said a person's actions are the only thing important when judging a person.

The problem with this approach is that when we "use words" to address another person, that speech is itself an "action" by which we can be judged and for which we may be held accountable - the words themselves may be "meaningless" but our choice of words and our manner of speaking them certainly are not.

If you don't agree, just try this small "thought experiment":

1. Approach any prominent person in your city - for our purposes, gender, race, religion and other identifiers don't matter.
2. In your very politest and most respectful voice say: "Excuse me, sir or madam. I hate to bother you and I won't take up much of your time. I just wanted you to know that I intend to hunt you down like a mad dog and exterminate you at my earliest opportunity. Have a nice day".
3. Wait and see how long it takes for you to be in handcuffs, charged with the crime of taking the action known as "uttering death threats".
4. See if the court has any difficulty whatsoever judging you on the basis of the words you spoke.
5. When you finally get out of jail (or the secure psychiatric facility), come back to this board and let us know your conclusions about words vs actions.

 

[Dickson]

This is a very interesting Thread. The word it self means nothing. Tell a Russian lady who does not speak english she is a bitch and she just smiles at you and your tone determines the out come. So words mean what the person recieving it wants them to mean at the moment in time. Personally I do not talk like that but I have SPs who want me to call them names as they get off. I had a young lady once that I took to LA and she wanted me to call her my dirty little whore. I held her and told her she was a safe harbour for me and I thought of her as a angel not a whore. When she told me she wanted me to fuck her. I said I could not but I wanted to make love to her. She cried and told me that no client had done that to her in the past and we had a wonderful night together. And a few years together as a regular. Sometimes I ask SPs to tell me they love me. Some will not do that others will. It would be against thier code to say that to me. Just like some kiss and some don't.

I believe the moral code is really a personal code of conduct. Some refer to respect but not respect as we define it but those we interact with. I have no right to impose my code on you and you on me. I use the elimidate events I participate as an examples. So people were very upset that I could do this to SPs. Yet I do not believe I was disrespectful to the ladies. If anything I think many have told me they enjoyed the time we spent. I pay and they provide the service. I never ask a SP to do anythig they are not comfortable with.

If those on thier high horses used the social moral code why are they even on the board. Society does not condone the industry and many people would be offened that we could "use " women for our own personal pleasure. Most of us would say stealling is wrong but hiring a SP to give us a BBBJ is ok. We all define it as we choose for our self. But it really is those we interact with who accept our concepts or see it as disrespectful. If I went up to one of my cute lawyers and gave her $1000 to sleep with me. She would have every right to slap me andcall the police. But a SP who I just took to dinner would not be offended. She might even take me up on it.

I choose to pay ladies to spend time with me. The majority of guys go to clubs to pick up ladies for free screw them and then leave them. Yet the moral code of society says that is acceptable but paying a lady is some how wrong.

It is only morally correct if the person we are with sees it as morally correct. Our moral code just limits what we do or say. Respecting others is a moral code and I respects others comments, thoughts and actions even if I disagree. Other want to impose thier will and code on me. They feel that mean comments and harsh remarks is the best way to insult me is some how morally correct. It is how they choose to live thier life. No problem. You got your life I got mine. It is not my place to tell them they are wrong. Not sure if it makes sense but I find it an interesting thread thanks for starting it.

 

[sevenofnine]

Words of course mean something, but what do they mean.

When I speak or write for one I'm motivated by what ego, insecurties, fear, I'm trying to manipulate you or the situation to my advantage and I guess on top of all that I could be a poor speaker or writer so my intent is all lost.
In the example above, words are of course actions and like I said actions are more a judge of intent or charecter then words.

Telling some one your going to hurt them is just stupid and well telling that to an important person is just crazy.
So when I said look for what is not being said. In your set up, the person forgot to mention he is a nut case and maybe insane and of course not very bright. He left that all out.
And I guess you have no idea how intent he is on carrying all this out. So the only thing he really conferred is he is a nut. Perhaps a dangerous one, perhaps not.

I come at this from my childhood. My father was a raging alcholic and pevert jailed a couple times.

His talk was always poor me. In his mind he had the right to do what he did, he never felt sorry not once. He had contrived this whole story on how he was so hard done by and life wasn't fair and poor him.. I listened to this for years.

And you know what he just liked to rape people and hurt people, that was that bottom line. He was an evil man.
But he had this self talk going on in his head, and when he opened his mouth that is what came out.


Of course words mean a great deal, but what exactly do they mean is what I'm getting at.
When a lady in this doesn't like the name whore or hooker for instance, what does it say.

It says a whole hell of a lot actually, but you need to know more to be certain.