YAY!We won one for the dancers!!!XXXO

[susi]

this is kind of cool! some of my cohorts and i went to bat for the exotic dancers and it seems we were successful!!
before dancers were not allowed to receive tips or give out posters one girl was even charged for receiving a foot massage in the VIP booth!! before the by laws were unclear and open to interpretation by individual inspectors, we know how that can be....now however, things have been clarified!!

we held a teleconference and went over every detail of the revisions to the liquor by laws as proposed by the exotic dancing community who worked on the revisions together (each area of the industry knows what they need for themselves- some of the revisions seem weird to me but hey...who am i to say!)

gives hope that the government is finally starting to come across!!

these were the final revisions as they were sent ot all relevant police, inpsectors,etc;


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Date: September 17, 2008
To: All LCLB staff
All Industry Associations
All Local Government, First Nations, and Police Agencies

Re: Revision to Liquor Control and Licensing Branch policies concerning performances by exotic dancers and other adult-oriented performers
This policy directive amends the June 2008 Licensing Policy Manual and February 2008 Liquor-Primary Licence Terms and Conditions Guide available online at:http://www.hsd.gov.bc.ca/lclb/publications/index_pubs.htm

The changes take effect immediately and are as follows:

Clothing may consist of stage costume:

• Exotic dancers must continue to be clothed while walking through the audience before and after performances, however, clothing may consist of their stage costume, provided the entertainer’s breasts and genitalia are covered.

Employment in establishments:

• Policy has been clarified with respect to when an exotic dancer may be employed as a server. The exotic dancers/adult-oriented performers may not act as servers or hold any other employment position in your establishment while working in their role as entertainers. However, when individuals are not working in their role as an entertainer they may be employed as servers or hold other positions of employment in your establishment. Exotic dancing/adult entertainment must not be combined with serving or any other employment position.

Mandatory Surveillance Cameras:

• All new licensed establishments that intend to provide exotic dancing or adult-oriented entertainment will be required to install surveillance cameras in all private show/VIP booths. All existing licensed establishments will be required to install surveillance cameras in their private show/VIP booths within 12 months.

Tipping and promotional material:

• Exotic dancers/adult-oriented performers must not touch, share food and beverages or pass objects to members of the audience or touch, share food and beverages with other performers. However, tipping and the distribution of promotional material are permitted provided there is no physical contact between the entertainers and each other or with an audience member.

Further Information

Further information regarding liquor control and licensing in British Columbia is available on the Liquor Control and Licensing Branch website at www.pssg.gov.bc.ca/lclb. If you have any questions regarding these changes, please contact the Liquor Control and Licensing Branch
toll free in Canada at 1-866-209-2111 or 387-1254 if calling from the Victoria area.

Karen Ayers
General Manager

 

[Stella_Hardon]

Are these rules really substantive ?

Most clubs have cameras but I doubt if the DJ / bouncer would be aware of any problems occuring in real time. Better yell for help than rely on cameras.

The days of dancers / servers is long past ... Fraser arms did it but no one else. I guess the dancer cannot wring out her panties into your glass of beer as she would be serving you as a waitress and also sharing a beverage.

What if I put a fiver on the stage and weigh it down with a small chocolate bar (it's close to halloween) ... Did I break the rules ?

So if I'm in a booth and I've got some french fries and the dancer is in street clothes and stops by and has a couple of fries ... Did we break the rules ? What if she gives you a hug on the way out ?

 

[susi]

ask the dancers,
they have their own online community called
the naked truth...just goolgle it.
i was just happy the government finally did something our community asked for, our community being sex industry workers and of course the men who love us!!!
susieXXXO

 

[Stella_Hardon]

The memo is very vague and reflects the fact that the regulations are made by the LCB and the ministry. You may applaud the fact that there was some input by the "industry" but I'd say it was a token gesture.

Your private dances have to be total air if the dance area is included in the liquor licence. "Titts and Ass caressing" would require contact so it would not be allowed.

Having a camera present allows the club to monitor your activity and again some token security as nobody is watching the screens 100 % of the time ...

The Five's upstairs area is NOT included in the liquor licence .. hence there is a lot more contact allowed there. (Same for Paramount as it doesn't have a liquor licence)

 

[kafka555]

Anica, the LCLB regulations extend as far as the boundaries of the liquor licence. Therefore, if the private dancing area is part of the licensed premises, they are subject to the regulations. This applies to the private dancing booths of the Cecil, the Penthouse, Brandis, T-Barz and most others. This means that you are not allowed to do anything in the booths that you can't do on stage.

As the rules mentioned are LCLB rules only, they do not apply to those areas outside the boundaries of the licensed premises. Therefore, these areas are not required to have cameras, and only the police and municipal business licence inspectors have jurisdiction as to what goes on there. The municipality may establish bylaws to regulate conduct, but they may not have though about it.

This situation would apply to the private dancing areas of the Paramount and the No 5 (and in the old days, upstairs at the Marble Arch, the Drake, Club Uranus).

 

[susi]

The memo is very vague and reflects the fact that the regulations are made by the LCB and the ministry. You may applaud the fact that there was some input by the "industry" but I'd say it was a token gesture.

wow, we only worked on the revisions for a year, consulted with dancers business,owners etc. lobbied the government and forced the LCB to work with us....
believe it or not, the exotic dancing community wrote these regs and for the most part got what they wanted, some of it's confusing but keep in mind policy and procedure revisions and addtions will follow and will clarify when and where these rules will be enforced and will also demonstrate the spirit of the rules -ie the fact that the government does not want to cause any further harm to sex workers or put people at risk-

the idea here is to give stability to the few dancing jobs left, the inspectors were interpreting the law however they wanted to- if any problems arise and i mean any- with police, inspectors- let me know and i will do whatever i can to help- you would be anonymus and i could try to change what needs to be changed- in order for our community to take control of our destinies we must take some chances with change- no one clains to have all the answers and we hope not but some mistakes may end up happening. the key is to adress all problems as they arise to prevent them from causing too much harm, so please-if anything unfair or harmful arises let us know so we can do something immediately
susie
604-671-2345

 

[Stella_Hardon]

The memo is very vague and reflects the fact that the regulations are made by the LCB and the ministry. You may applaud the fact that there was some input by the "industry" but I'd say it was a token gesture.

wow, we only worked on the revisions for a year, consulted with dancers business,owners etc. lobbied the government and forced the LCB to work with us....
believe it or not, the exotic dancing community wrote these regs and for the most part got what they wanted, some of it's confusing but keep in mind policy and procedure revisions and addtions will follow and will clarify when and where these rules will be enforced and will also demonstrate the spirit of the rules -ie the fact that the government does not want to cause any further harm to sex workers or put people at risk-

Can we infer that "consulting with dancers, business, owners etc ... means that you didn't have an actual "customer" in on the consultation ?

 

[susi]

yes, customers of exotic show lounges were given the opportunity to take part
the revisions were up for scrutiny on the naked truth for weeks
i guess i always assume people know what i mean, by inclusive we mean everyone involved, including consumers.
if you read the recommendations for the sex industry association i posted here some time back that becomes clear- all stake holders... always