Wtf??????????????????????????....

[Irresistible Isabelle]

Speaking of stretching...

What a stretch. That's so out of touch with the reasons many guys see SPs for. Often guys see SPs because they can not get what they want with the SO or their GF. Often this has to do with treating a woman in a particular way which would otherwise be considered disrespectful by their SO or their GF. Even some guys see SPs as laboratories for demeaning behaviour because SPs are often seen as less than worthy of respect that would be accorded to others. How many SOs or GFs would voluntarily and happily eat your ass? Many of them find this disgusting. Yet many guys know that certain SPs, particularly from disadvantaged economic backgrounds would be willing to do so even if the girl would be very ashamed to admit it to anyone. It has nothing to do with "entitlement" from the government, and almost everything to do with sheer disrespect.

That might be common (I don't know so I don't say) in one (or some) segment(s) of this industry, but to paint the entire industry, ponners and SPs alike is a biiiiiiiiiiig stttrrrrreeeeetttcchh as well. Just because you frequent one type of provider and all of your experiences are within that segment of the industry, don't assume that that is what it's like for everyone else.

 

[georgebushmoron]

I guess you haven't noticed the huge increases in senses of entitlement and how the left wing politicians are constantly feeding it to gather support. There's a reason they say that each generation expects to be handed more and more on a silver platter. Funny how that effect seems to be focused on the areas that elect and are governed by left wing politicians.

Another Great Leap forward my friend. You tie the sense of entitlement that left-leaning governments coddle upon the citizenry to the extreme expectations of some pooners when they see an SP. How does one get from A to Z?

That these pooners who, having spent money for sexual services, seek a return on whatever they deem satisfactory or a bargain based on services rendered, is more likely the cause of disrespectful behaviour. In the selling of pussy as a market commodity, some pooners feel that for a hundred dollars, ejaculating in a condom is a rip off and would rather jack off in her mouth - when all other things held equal, usually demands a higher price. When one girl won't do that, the demand for her is elastic as the customer easily switches pussy to one who will. It's market competition at work. So it isn't the sense of entitlement caused by left-wing governments, it's the sense of getting more for your money caused by the laissez-faire economics of right-wing governments.

The sense of entitlement coddled by left-wing governments has been more apt to produce beggars from middle class white families that roam parking lots asking for change. It is they who decry the influx of immigrants who earned Mercedes Benzes from saving every last penny, haven taken their precious toilet cleaning and cock sucking jobs and then woefully cry that were they to complain, they'd be labeled "racist". And once in awhile, they feel the sentiment that they had better watch what they say because being born white makes you a racist automatically, turning the blame on left-wing governments for being too immigrant friendly and creating "unfair" competition. Now that's entitlement! And it's left wing governments who are also to blame for creating a source of cheap sex through wide open immigration in a right wing market economy. Right wing pooners should be damned happy that left wing governments allow them to stretch their pussy dollar so much.

 

[georgebushmoron]

That might be common (I don't know so I don't say) in one (or some) segment(s) of this industry, but to paint the entire industry, ponners and SPs alike is a biiiiiiiiiiig stttrrrrreeeeetttcchh as well. Just because you frequent one type of provider and all of your experiences are within that segment of the industry, don't assume that that is what it's like for everyone else.

I didn't paint the entire industry. I did say that "even some guys see SPs as laboratories for demeaning behaviour". Just because I only singled out the behaviour of some should not be taken to mean I spoke of the entire industry. Please read again without personal defensiveness, and you'll see what I mean.

 

[jjinvan]

Ok I think a lot of people missed the point I was getting at on the link between the problem and an overdeveloped sense of entitlement.

Where I was going with that was that when a pooner with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement develops feelings for an SP he then feels ENTITLED to have those feelings returned.

And, in a much wider sense (apart from pooners and SPs even) people seem to feel that they are ENTITLED to intrude on the lives of others or force others to listen to them or to interact with them based on a past relationship (either perceived or actual). They feel that they are ENTITLED to be listened to by others and that they are ENTITLED to inconvenience others if they feel like it.

Then, when the pooner doesn't get what he feels that he is entitled to, he is unable to cope, because he has been taught by watching governments give in to special interest groups that 'the squeeky wheel gets the grease' and that if he makes enough noise and makes things difficult enough for the SP she will give in and give him what he wants, just like left wing governments do.

As far as GWB being a 'hero of the right wingers', only a leftie would POSSIBLY think that to be the case. About the only people more useless than GWB are Al Gore, Jack Layton and Stephan Dion.

Keep in mind that in Canada, Bill Clinton would be considered quite right of center and would probably disagree with Layton on more issues than Harper does.

 

[jjinvan]

Re-reading the thread I see where I was misunderstood.

I am NOT talking about guys trying to get 'more milage' or push SPs into offering more extended services, that's a whole different issue.

I was talking about the fact that more and more guys are going off their nut when they fall for an SP and then she wants no further contact or interaction with them.

I was speaking of their sense of being entitled to have their feelings returned or to be coddled and put up with when they act like annoying children rather than being tossed out the door and told not to come back.

I hope it makes more sense now?

 

[jjinvan]

It is they who decry the influx of immigrants who earned Mercedes Benzes from saving every last penny, haven taken their precious toilet cleaning and cock sucking jobs and then woefully cry that were they to complain, they'd be labeled "racist".

Not quite sure what this part means?

Almost all the Mercedes Benzes I've seen driven around Vancouver were driven by kids under 25 who have never had a job in their life.

 

[georgebushmoron]

Not quite sure what this part means?

Almost all the Mercedes Benzes I've seen driven around Vancouver were driven by kids under 25 who have never had a job in their life.

Those are the ones you would notice, of course. However, I'll bet you most new Mercedes are owned by people over 35.

 

[OTBn]

ya ya, now jj wants to “blame” the Dirty Sanchez on “lefties”

That the power at all costs Harper is hedging on his Reform party principles… gradually moving further and further into social liberal domains – oh the humanity, oh the sense of burgeoning entitlements!

Is a social conservative an oxymoron?

So Harper’s ticked off his fiscally conservative base with the flip-flops and contrary initiatives (income trusts, bigger government, foreign investment, corporate regulations, environment, etc.)….. and….. he’s moving in on Dirty Sanchez territory!

Has Harper written off the right?

Disgruntled Tories consider re-founding Reform Party

 

[alyb]

i know this is off topic...but..

i know this is off topic from the ORIGINAL POST, however now that its gotten down to this, i feel like i have to chime in a little...

ok guys, hear me out. i'm not speaking on any type of historical perspective. nor am i claiming any expert point of view. heck, i'm just saying this based on life experiences, and comparing a country that has been hijacked by conservatives, vs this country, a country that gets labeled extrememly liberal and socialist....

so, here's my analysis.

i lived in the states for over 18 years. i watched my family struggle to make ends meet. there was no "help" for working families. my mom worked at an insurance agency, making a modest $11/hour wage which mind you was a tremendous amount of money for that particular area in the country. it was an area where anything over $10 an hour was considered a "great job".

anyway, when it came to daycare, the government wanted to subsidize it and give her a whopping $30 a month, oh thanks...that really takes the edge off. NOT! (this province will give up to as much as 90%, i think thats insane... I think 50% would be more reasonable.)

In PA, there was NO SUCH THING as a child tax benefit. NO SUCH THING as employment supplment. hell, if it wasn't for my state taking the initiative to offer some health care to children under 18 in poor families, we wouldn't have even had that, mind you there was a co-pay for prescriptions as well.

i lived in a country where the rich used their accountants to get around paying all kinds of taxes, and bitched about the poor saying "pull yourself up by your bootstaps then". yeah, well sometimes bootsraps just aren't big enough. i saw families giving it all they got, living under tremendous stress, getting things repossessed with no chance of owning a damned thing in their poor, miserable, over-worked and underpaid lives. my family, in particular, did a rent-to-own just so we could have a computer to do our school work. yeah...do you have any idea what the interest rates are like at those places? but in the spirit of needing a computer, they did it for us so we could type our reports and keep our grades high enough to have a better life for ourselves someday....

in my opinion, the poor were just beaten more than they could take. for most, once you were at the bottom, there was just no chance. no way to save. no way to move up. thats an ambition killer! whoa, just remembering it makes me scratch my head and feel shamed for my countries inexcusable behavior. lol...but hey, thats how they kept their army enlistments. get the poor to join because you can offer to pay for school for them, and a crappy $1,200 a month lol.

canada, in my opinion... seems to be the great equalizer. if you're a poor, young family, you have a chance to get on your feet, take advantage of the fact that the basics are covered, and move on with your life to bigger and better things. you have a chance to take your productivity and move outside of the brackets where you need assistance. anything is possible here, it just takes some will.

where the problem lies, of course, is that some citizens take the governments handouts for granted. rather than work to get a BETTER job, they say "no, i'm ok living in income based housing, receiving $250/mo per child. i have welfare, who cares..." but you know what, those people would do the same, regardless where you put them. even if they were in the worst parts of africa where everyone had to work to eat for the day, they would be the ones robbing the other people, or not doing the work and suffering... point being. don't think its gonna change with those ones any time soon!

there are people who want to move forward, and there are people who dont. you put someone like my mom up here in canada, she'd be in a higher tax bracket, giving canada some great income to tax and be darn proud of her OPPORTUNITY to move up and do so. she would've had us out of that situation in no time. guaranteed! thats just how she was.

So thank you canada. People can bitch all they want, but you know what... this country gives you a fighting chance. And thats what people deserve. Guess what my moms income situation still is today? Any guessers? Yeah...same... but now its even worse because she is damn near being diagnosed with MS but until she gets the diagnosis she's been denied Social Security Disability. THANKS AGAIN USA! F*ckin kick in the face once again to a woman who worked for years PAYING INTO THAT so that IF she got sick it would be available to her....

Moving forward...You risk crossing the line of "rewarding someone" for having children vs. not PENALIZING them, as if having a child should now doom you to poverty for their entire existance, as my state did.

So, what do I think Canada could do different, to balance out a little, be less "socialist" and more "balanced"...I'd say to maybe bring co-pays to the province of SK so people weren't using the hell out of the health care system unneccessarily (where I'm from, you dont go to the emergency room unless, hello....its a FREAKING EMERGENCY. a cough at 2 Am just doesn't cut it...and then people wonder why 2 year olds with open cuts on the head are waiting there for 2 hours before they get in...)

Anyway, back to my point, make welfare something you can only use for 2 year periods before you're required to go back to work. Start cutting some of the lazy bastards off at the source, make them work once in a while, and maybe they'll remember what it was like to be proud of themselves and earn a paycheck. Maybe put a cap on the child tax benefit for people who have 3 kids with no clear intention of stopping even though they can't support the ones they got... etc.... Hey, I believe in helping people, but people have to use a little of their own judgement once in a while, right? This isn't about one side versus the other, this is about BALANCE.

Then no one has to feel like they're giving anyone a free ride, but its still a humane country where people can get ahead and not fall into the razor-sharp teeth of a society that underpays some of the hardest workers we have. Thats fair, that logical....

Just my 2 cents!

 

[lenharper]

any guy who falls for a girl and is rebuked is going to feel hurt. if the guy feels he has been deceived he is going to be angry. if he is sane he will probably have one verbal confrontation with her and walk away and after a few beers and tears start anew...

any guy who falls for a sex worker and is rebuked is going to be angry but after he thinks about it for... uh... ten seconds he is going to realize that he was a chump. maybe in a couple of weeks he'll be back to normal and be a little more careful with his feelings next time.

if he doesn't follow this pattern he is probably an insane nutbar who should be watched carefully.

i would imagine this pattern has gone on since the beginning of time and before government.

any person who would ascribe this behaviour to be a result of the "government of the day" is someone not really interested in the truths of human interaction but one who is only interested in pursuing and agenda or baiting for the sake of fun.

 

[jjinvan]

ya ya, now jj wants to “blame” the Dirty Sanchez on “lefties”

I guess you missed the part where I said that I was talking about something other than that.

Doesn't surprise me, you miss a lot of things.

 

[aznboi9]

I'm having some trouble understanding jj's point. Maybe if he could illustrate using some mathematical calculations...

 

[sarahpassion]

I got an email from a client's wife a few weeks ago. I thought it was addressed to the wrong person until I looked at the name again. Ugh. I can't believe he told her about me! What the hell was he thinking?

Discretion goes both ways.

What did she possibly have to say? I know this is off the topic of the thread but I find it interesting.

 

[D.W.B]

This hobby always has had and always will have a large number of wackos either selling or buying sex.

There will always be gents that dont have the ability to differenciate between reality and fantasy.

There will always be sp's willing to lead a client on for their own gains at the expense of the clients feelings.

Everyone needs to remember that first and foremost this is business.

If you are paying her she usually cant be considered your girlfriend so after your time is up it should be over until the next time (no stalking).

If he's a client dont lead him to believe its anything more than business even if it might mean a few more bucks your pocket.

Always protect your personal info because regardless of how sincere people may act you never know who you are dealing with or what their motives are.

Just like any other business you need to be careful who you deal with.

This hobby can be a great deal of fun but it isnt without it's dangers.

 

[jjinvan]

If you are paying her she usually cant be considered your girlfriend

Usually?

Hey, there's nothing wrong with being generous and who hasn't helped a girlfriend (or boyfriend) out with some bills from time to time but if you're being billed by the hour, she's not your girlfriend.

 

[HankQuinlan]

It's not my fault that you aren't educated or intelligent enough to recognize the results of welfare states and governments that treat the population like a bunch of spoiled children.

I guess you haven't noticed the huge increases in senses of entitlement and how the left wing politicians are constantly feeding it to gather support. There's a reason they say that each generation expects to be handed more and more on a silver platter. Funny how that effect seems to be focused on the areas that elect and are governed by left wing politicians.

You are so right. I knew that Conrad Black was a leftie -- that sense of entitlement is a big giveaway.

 

[Sonny]

There's not a single politico-socio-economic class that does not feel it warrants entitlement. Applies equally to the so-hard-right and also to the so-hard-left and everyone between. To single out any particular group over another on this particular issue is just plain being blind to what's out there.

 

[jjinvan]

There's not a single politico-socio-economic class that does not feel it warrants entitlement. Applies equally to the so-hard-right and also to the so-hard-left and everyone between. To single out any particular group over another on this particular issue is just plain being blind to what's out there.

Here's the trick:

Right wingers feel entitled to keep WHAT THEY EARN and not have it taken away and spent on things they don't benefit from, believe in or support.

Left wingers feel entitled to receive things WITHOUT working for them, and to have the 'cost' (whether it be financial or otherwise) bourne by people other than themselves.

Criminals don't feel 'entitled' to things, they just don't have a problem with stealing things that they know they aren't entitled to. Most criminals do not feel that they are 'owed' what they took (although there are some exceptions).

See the difference?

 

[jjinvan]

In this case, it's not so much that I disagree with many of your points, rather it's more the black and white use of terms. What is the "left" exactly? Is an example of the "right" the Mulroony government who campaigned against lowering the debt and instead ran 8 years of deficits. Or the left leaning liberals who managed to create surpluses subsequent to that, but who also created the bulk of the debt to begin with.

Mulrooney was a crook, plain and simple. Saying Mulrooney was a good PM is the worst thing Harper has done since he became PM.

Martin was a right leaning finance minister economically, but became a totally different person as PM where he advocated spending like a bunch of drunken monkeys. I seriously wonder if he started to show signs of dementia or something. He definately appeared to have some physical side-effects of some of the newer alzheimer drugs but who knows.

Both seem to think that EI premiums belong in general revenues and refuse to give back any excess or reduce the premiums to a break-even level.

EI premiums were lowered considerably under Mulrooney. Not quite sure what you mean there?

The problem with the premiums not going into general revenue is that the way things are currently set up, they are not 'premiums' they are a mis-named tax. It is unconstitutional for the government to earmark taxes, they all have to go into general revenues. I agree that EI should NOT be a tax, but that would require an overhaul of the entire system, and putting in something similar to 'WorkSafe' (Or whatever PC name it has this week) which is at arms length from the government. The Conservatives have talked about reforming the EI system, but I doubt they could get anywhere with the current parlimentary breakdown.

Both also seem to feel it's okay to charge GST on gas even though about 30% of gas is tax and effectively they are charging tax on tax.

Harper actually had a report done up to look into removing GST from gas prices but the report came back saying that the gas companies would just jack the price up to absorb any resulting price decrease. Keep in mind that in most of the country, gas is NOT 30% tax (the lower mainland probably has the highest taxes on gas in the country).

Yesterday I listened to part of the news about the Conservatives cutting off funding for summer students, many of whom deal with autistic children which studies have indicated would likely benefit far more than the costs of these programs.

Those studies have been widely discredited and were almost all written by a single researcher who has been widely regarded as a quack. Others who tried to duplicate his results saw NO benefits whatsoever and there are several more likely explanations for his results. The only benefit to those programs was giving the parents of children who are really difficult to deal with free babysitting (which is a benefit, of a sort). I could write pages and pages explaining all this, but that would be another thread I think.

Is being short sighted by saving money today which is likely going to result in ongoing government costs far in excess of the current outlay a left or right concept?

To me it's just plan stupid regardless of the label used.

Could you be more specific? If you are referring to the autistic children again, as I already pointed out, the majority of studies have shown pretty conclusively that there would be NO long term benefits or future cost savings achieved.

 

[Sonny]

Right wingers feel entitled to keep WHAT THEY EARN and not have it taken away and spent on things they don't benefit from, believe in or support.

With substantial experience at senior levels of multi-national corporations and with twenty years consulting experience having multi-millionaires' businesses as my clients, I can assure you that while your definition above is not inaccurate, it is certainly incomplete. Right wingers want their nose in the trough as much as anyone, and feel entitlement simply because they think they are who they think they are.

Left wingers feel entitled to receive things WITHOUT working for them, and to have the 'cost' (whether it be financial or otherwise) bourne by people other than themselves.

There is no disagreement that left wingers are oriented to a redistribution of wealth due to the circumstance that everyone contributes to the environment in which wealth can be created, and folks benefit from that environment unequally. However, to say the left wingers do not appreciate the value of hard work is just plainly a biased and pejorative outlook.

Criminals don't feel 'entitled' to things, they just don't have a problem with stealing things that they know they aren't entitled to. Most criminals do not feel that they are 'owed' what they took (although there are some exceptions).

Actually, most criminals feel they are entitled to whatever they steal because most have had a societally and economically disadvantaged personal life.

See the difference?

The only difference is the viewpoint from which each determines their sense of entitlement.