Why the liberals should burn in hell.

[Massagegirl]

They are the biggest liars to date, getting elected on a stance of saving health care when all they have done is butcher it!

#1 My granny broke her hip and was kept drugged up 5 days until they could get her in to surgery, which turned an otherwise healthy lucid 5 mile a day walker, into a vegatable, who didn't even recognize me and spent her last year of life in an extended care home.

#2 Sat night a friend here in Victoria, age 46, had a stroke and was taken to the Jubilee hospital where they didn't have a bed, so they transfered her to Vic General, too late to get the drug that could have saved her. She is still hanging on but paralysed on her right side.

Goddamn motherf*ckers, and the poll indicated that a lot of people will still vote liberal!!! Maybe they haven't lost anyone who could have been saved? I am so mad right now (and I could just cry), anyone else care to share their stories?

Oops I mis-spelled debacle.

 

[Mama'sboy]

Which Liberals. Federal or Provincial?

There are too many old and sick people in BC. They should go to Saskatchewan.

 

[Massagegirl]

Aren't they all cut from the same cloth?

Both I suppose.

 

[LowerMainlander]

just a thought...but has anyone considered the possibility that the mess that the province is currently in could, in some small way, be due, in part to the 10 or so years that the NDP was running things?

I may not agree with everything the Liberals have done, but by the same token, the NDP has squandered away so much money in the past (does ANYONE remember the Fast Ferries??) that i really don't envy what the liberals have to do.

This province is broke, thanks to the NDP, not the Liberals, and I sure as hell would hate to have to figure out where to get the money from considering that raising taxes would cause a revolt and making cuts seems to have done the same thing.

And call me crazy, but when a janitor gets a starting wage of $20/hour and 4 weeks vacation while university graduates are struggling to find jobs beyone min. wage in a coffee shop, i'm thinking the janitor is a mite overpaid. Espcially when you consider that after 9 years of service he could take 10 weeks of holiday PLUS 150 "sick days" that they're allowed to accumulate.

In my current job I would have to be with the company to FIFTEEN YEARS before i get 5 weeks of holiday.

Maybe the people of BC should go after the NDP for mismanagement and breach of fiduciary duty? Ah...but wait, aren't politicians protected from prosecution of that sort?

BTW massagegirl, i'm not trying to take anything away from your bad experiences. I sympathize with you. i just see a lot of people reacting to what is being done now and blaming the liberals for somehting that should really be blamed on the NDP as THEY created the current situation and the Liberals are in the unenviable position of trying to cope with it.

 

[CJ Tylers]

Actually, this province is broke thanks to the Social Credit. The NDP were largely innefectual during their tenure. Sure, they added some structural deficit... but not much compared to the social credit.

Alot of the sweetheart deals and what not the Liberals blame on the NDP (such as alot of the union/labour stuff) actually comes from the Social Credit era...oh wait, I shoudl call them Early Liberals.

Yes, that's right, the ancestors of this current liberal party. Something else to note, the current liberal party has bungled finances so much that we are in far more trouble than when the NDP left power. Of course, they blame every failure or mishap on the NDP... but that's how every political party works... blame someone else and hope people forget your muck ups.

They also tend to enjoy taking credit for other peoples work. Take for instance the courts decision to allow BC to sue tobacco companies for damages. Right or wrong, the Liberals proclaimed their victory (a victory for us, a victory for BC!) at the top of their lungs.

Problem is, that was an NDP innitiative. It was also an innitiative the Liberals were vehemently agaist. They even went as far as to defend the tobacco companies. You might wonder how they can manage all that smiling when they are so busy talking out of both sides of their mouth. Maybe most of their speeches are coming out there ass instead?

 

[Restless]

A point to consider when looking at health care costs.

We live next to a country with a very different philosophy about the distribution of health care, which happens to be 10X as large as we are. If the US were to target Canada to provide 1% of it's need for health care professionals (i.e. lure them with money), this would translate to a 10% drain of Canadian personnel. Over and above this amount, there is pressure to increase pay for the remaining 90%, to prevent their migration south.

I don't care what political stripe holds power, they are all under the same pressures. We demand universal health care at a high standard, but we don't want to pay the price. See the furor in Ontario regarding their planned tax increases to maintain their medical system.

I have no good answers, I just have sympathy for all parties that try to cope with the problems.

 

[HankQuinlan]

Another problem with the current lack of funding is the huge tax cuts the Liberals introduced the minute they came into power. They benefit the rich, and take away resources that could have been used to benefit everyone -- like health care.

 

[CJ Tylers]

Don't forget the 10%-20% pay increase they gave themselves...and that was before the tax cuts occured. Admittendly, they did roll back 2% of that...

 

[HankQuinlan]

Exactly. Hold your nose and vote.

 

[CJ Tylers]

Let's review:

NDP - tax tax tax, spend spend spend - no fiscal plan at all Jack Layton is a COMPLETE MORON - I will be leaving for the USA if my taxes go any higher, and so will a bunch of others.
PC's - Harper is a nazi in conservative clothing - truly frightening, promising tax cuts and new military money with only a complete gutting of social programs to possibly pay for it all.
Liberal's - liars, cheats, but are they any worse than the other two?

It really is a question of the least of the evils, isn't it?
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I'm more or less talking about the local governemt. They add taxes, remove some minor ones and push huge user fees on everyone... a method of "hidden tax" if I'm not mistaken.

As for federal... where's the Rhino party?

 

[BS Detector]

So sorry to hear about your friend sweetie.

Hope all turns out well despite. We have a conservative government here in Alberta and are facing a de-klein in health care too, so it makes you wonder if any of them give a rat's ass. Notice they get in immediately if they have to get to a hospital. Some say it's deliberate as the baby boomers get older they are letting them die off so there will not be a bunch of unused facilities if they build them (as of course the baby boomers will eventually die regardless). Makes you wonder if there's any truth to it.

Again...all the best to your friend.

 

[Massagegirl]

Thanks BSD. She can move her right arm more today but her mouth is now turned down on the one corner, and her right leg is still completely immobile. However, I'm estatic that she is still alive and crossing my fingers that she stays that way! Plus she's strong, healthy and only 46!

A question, if the NDP and Liberals suck so bad, why are so few people willing to vote marijuana or green party?? The old "devil you know is better than the one you don't" story?

 

[Oldfart]

A question, if the NDP and Liberals suck so bad, why are so few people willing to vote marijuana or green party??

The way I figure, no matter who I vote for, the government will always win.

That's why I've decided to vote with my conscience instead of logic or strategy.

I'll be voting for my GREEN PARTY candidate.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Actually the Greens are not as radical as many think Check them out. They do have long term vision and should be included in the leaders debates. As to the province (BC) being broke - it's not - there is always money for whatever pet project the ruling dictatoprs want. See the aforementioned fast ferries or the current RAV or Olympic spending. Massage girl, I feel for you as I have had some experience with health care and it really is quite unfixable - pumping more cash into the system as it is is not the answer.

 

[wilde]

Part of the blame should be put on those who blindly and arrogantly stick to the public/national health care system. The much feared two-tier system is already upon us. Think ICBC, WCB, Insurance companies and professional athletes. How long do you think it takes Trevor Linden to get an MRI? If you ever make an injury claim with WCB or ICBC, you get pretty speedy treatment right? Massagegirl, I feel for your situation. Can't help to think that if we had all the rich and/or able off the queue, your granny might have received prompt and proper treatment.

 

[massageseeker]

I would not blame the liberals for the mess we have today ..

I feel for your situation .. but you must look deeper before you get upset at the present gov't

 

[Makhno]

Can't help to think that if we had all the rich and/or able off the queue, your granny might have received prompt and proper treatment.

It would also have helped if Paul Martin had not cut $25 billion from health care transfer payments to the provinces.