Who Voted 'Yes' on Bill C-36?

[phreak]

"The government's controversial prostitution bill passed in the House of Commons Monday night by a 156-124 vote."

So, 156 MPs we have elected in "democratic" Canada voted "yes" on a new law, the ONLY purpose of which is to criminally persecute knowingly innocent people who don't support some bizarre extremist ideology. The majority of people who represent us, Canadians, have supported the law, which is inherently persecutory. Make no mistake, this is something unprecedented in the modern history of Canada.

Is there any way to get the list of names of those MPs? Those MPs are public enemies number one, who have grossly abused their power and are trying to transition Canada into a brutal dictatorship. Besides knowing who these people are and making sure they are not reelected, it may be a good idea to try to criminally prosecute them for hate crime or at least try to initiate something like that.

I also can't understand how those MPs who voted "No" actually agreed to participate in the vote instead of just walking out: parliament voting is intended for legitimate stuff, not something knowingly unconstitutional, persecutory and criminal. It's like voting on a proposed law to persecute gay people for gay sex or black people for using white people's washroom.

I'm ashamed of being a Canadian!

 

[imnotavictim]

The names and what party they belong to are listed here http://openparliament.ca/votes/41-2/249/ 24 did not vote, the majortiy of non voters were from the NDP party and 2 two independents were opposed, the rest were all conservatives. It will be up to the Liberal party to argue fiercely in the Senate. Quebec MP's gave the most opposition to the Bill, B.C. and Ontario were mixed, while most support for the Bill came from Alberta. Alberta has the least amount of support resources across the table for women in general these include: transition homes for abused women, shelters and sexwork for all genders in advocacy. There are only two active sexworkers groups and one is an abolishment agency based in Edmonton.

 

[imnotavictim]

Did you miss my post above yours where I listed all the names?

Have a wonderful day Sarah. I will not engage with you, detailed information is imperative.

 

[Fullhouse]

Wow ---- what a waste of time this voting crap is..

Those party 'whips' certainly know how to control their party members, when it comes to voting. ...(not so much when it comes to claiming personal expenses.)

There appear to be only 2 choices when it comes to voting by these mental giants.

1. You vote for the party platform ----- or

2. You shut up, meaning 'you don't vote'.

In the results posted above, not a single Conservative voted against C-36,

Not a single Liberal voted for C-36

Not a single NDP voted for C-36

This is what I mean by 'a waste of time' --------- why vote when 1 party has more members than the opposing 2 parties combined.---- Why not just read the bill and then immediately declare it as 'passed'..........I know, I know-those 'freeloading politicians' have to do something to earn their huge pay cheques.

Imnotavictim - I'm somewhat confused by your comment:
"the majority from the NDP party and 2 two independents were opposed, the rest were all conservatives."

It wasn't 'the majority' of the NDP that were opposed.- ALL of those that voted were opposed,.......and I didn't see a single conservative opposed, never mind all of them.
Am I missing something here, Imnotavictim ?????????????

 

[imnotavictim]

Wow ---- what a waste of time this voting crap is..

Those party 'whips' certainly know how to control their party members, when it comes to voting. ...(not so much when it comes to claiming personal expenses.)

There appear to be only 2 choices when it comes to voting by these mental giants.

1. You vote for the party platform ----- or

2. You shut up, meaning 'you don't vote'.

In the results posted above, not a single Conservative voted against C-36,

Not a single Liberal voted for C-36

Not a single NDP voted for C-36

This is what I mean by 'a waste of time' --------- why vote when 1 party has more members than the opposing 2 parties combined.---- Why not just read the bill and then immediately declare it as 'passed'..........I know, I know-those 'freeloading politicians' have to do something to earn their huge pay cheques.

Imnotavictim - I'm somewhat confused by your comment:
"the majority from the NDP party and 2 two independents were opposed, the rest were all conservatives."

It wasn't 'the majority' of the NDP that were opposed.- ALL of those that voted were opposed,.......and I didn't see a single conservative opposed, never mind all of them.
Am I missing something here, Imnotavictim ?????????????

"24 did not vote, the majority from the NDP"

 

[Fullhouse]

"24 did not vote, the majority from the NDP"

Thanks Imnotavictim - - I'm not confused any more.

Sometimes my reading skills out perform my comprehension skills by miles..:doh:

 

[Lo-ki]

This vote shows that this bill is strictly a Conservative issue from the voting results.. go figure

 

[summerbreeze]

Canadian parliamentary system like the British tend to vote as a party. To move up in the party you have to be loyal and Ministers are appointed by the Prime Minister on the basis of competence and party loyalty. To not vote with the party means you will be a "back bencher" while in your elected term.

In the US, elected officials are required to vote on behalf of their constituents (people in their riding or state) regardless of which party they are in. I believe it is a legal requirement they have in the US.

Non-voters in the Canadian system tend to be politicians who campaigned or have spoken on an issue with a perspective different than the party policy so rather than support the Bill, they will abstain from voting however will rarely vote against the party.

Our parliamentary system consists of a ruling party and an opposition party sitting across from each other in the house of commons in an deliberately confrontational style. The US system is that they sit in a circle without the confrontational debating style while still representing their party's philosophical perspective on issues.

I think our system had its merits till they brought TV cameras into parliament, now it is a bunch of showboating for public display rather than getting down to the business of governing the country behind closed doors.

The US system was actually inspired by the oldest democratic system which was the Six Nations or Iroquois Confederacy.

Personally I respect the US system for making it mandatory that the elected officials represent the people who voted for them rather than the Party. The problem with this system which we are witnessing now is that Congress cannot fix their debt problem because they do not have a mandate to come together and do what is best for the country, they are there to lobby for their state.

As Winston Churchill once said, Democracy is the worst form of government, except all the others......

 

[Lo-ki]

Yes James Moore

Will NOT be getting my vote for the next election

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

And if you don't know who your MP is, Google it. Find out. I just found out that my MP is not running for a fifth term next year...

What do you guys think? Ms Erica for MP for BC's newest riding to be: Cloverdale/Clayton!

 

[phreak]

Sarah, thanks for posting the names.

What I find shocking is that ALL the Conservatives voted "Yes". How is that possible? The is nothing "conservative" about this bill - it is very insane and extremist according to "conservative" standards and not something any conservative person would normally support. And they ALL supported the bill? Not even one objected? Are they MPs or a herd of brainless sheep? Supporting this bill is not an issue of belonging to a particular political party - it is a choice between fascism and democracy.

And those who voted "No" are not much better: by voting on this bill they have agreed that the bill itself is legitimate and there is nothing wrong if it becomes the law in case if majority votes "Yes". Are there certain limitations on what can be voted on in the Parliament? What if an MP proposes a bill that a cheating spouse should be criminally punished, and the majority vote "Yes"? Will it become the law? Isn't a bill supposed to be in line with fundamental laws BEFORE it can be even discussed?

So what do we have here? Our Parliament has been discussing the knowingly unconstitutional bill, proposing to implement gross and barbaric violations of human rights in our legal system, for many months, and no MP even raised objections to DISCUSSING it, not mentioning voting on it! What the fuck is going on? This is Canada, not Saudi Arabia! There is no need to fight ISIS in Iraq - our parliament is ISIS!

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

Sarah, thanks for posting the names.

What I find shocking is that ALL the Conservatives voted "Yes". How is that possible? The is nothing "conservative" about this bill - it is very insane and extremist according to "conservative" standards and not something any conservative person would normally support. And they ALL supported the bill? Not even one objected? Are they MPs or a herd of brainless sheep? ...

If it looks like a brainless sheep, walks like a brainless sheep, bleats like a brainless sheep...it's a Harper Conservative. I do not believe any Caucus member is allowed to vote in opposition to a bill introduced by the goverment. I mean, I know they CAN (having taught Grade 5 Social Studies; Our Government in Canada more times than I can count!). I do not think that Adolf Harper allows them to.

 

[phreak]

If it looks like a brainless sheep, walks like a brainless sheep, bleats like a brainless sheep...it's a Harper Conservative. I do not believe any Caucus member is allowed to vote in opposition to a bill introduced by the goverment. I mean, I know they CAN (having taught Grade 5 Social Studies; Our Government in Canada more times than I can count!). I do not think that Adolf Harper allows them to.

Ironically, I expected quite a few Conservative MPs to vote against this bill based on their conservative beliefs. Can you image any "conservative" party in any Western country supporting this bill? Normally only religious fanatics and extremists can come up with anything like that, but this kind of weirdos normally don't have parliament majority.

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

Ironically, I expected quite a few Conservative MPs to vote against this bill based on their conservative beliefs. Can you image any "conservative" party in any Western country supporting this bill? Normally only religious fanatics and extremists can come up with anything like that, but this kind of weirdos normally don't have parliament majority.

I just assume that Conservative MPs are participating in the same kind of democracy that used to forbid MPs from talking to reporters after Question Period.

 

[phreak]

Canadian Parliament: 156 fascists and 124 fascist collaborators. IMHO, the current Parliament has lost its legitimacy completely. The only simple remedy I can imagine is dissolving the Parliament and holding elections.

 

[phreak]

Here is a list of all the Conservative email addresses. The link leads to a string that I have created so that you can copy and paste it into your email and send a mass email to all the Conservative MP's. If anyone wants the other parties done please let me know, and I will do it.

I am going to compose and send my own mass email now.

http://www.fileswap.com/dl/1FyayL4kuP/Conservative_Emails.pdf.html

What's the purpose of this: explaining MPs that it is immoral to put knowingly innocent people in jail? Isn't it obvious? They want us in jail only because we don't share their insane ideology and for no other reason. There is nothing to discuss with them.

 

[phreak]

Probably nothing that can be done, but if you don't try, then don't cry. I have fought many a battle in life that I did not win, but at least I can say I did my very best to make a difference. If we are all going to have this kind of attitude then for sure we will not stop this from passing through the senate, but if we could somehow get masses of people behind us to flood all the MP's with emails in the next month, it just may make a difference. I just spent an hour composing that list and I have pretty decent skills to do it quickly... I worked hard on that... I hear the men complaining about it, but then when people try to get together and make an effort to make an impact nobody wants to do their part.... it will probably take me an hour to do the list for the remaining Opposition MP's.

Edit: Have an appointment coming so I will have to get back to doing the list for the opposition MP's later.

I fully agree with you: any action is better than inaction in this case. My point is that any action which would be appropriate considering the gravity of this bill/law would be campaign of cilvil disobedience, general strike, attempt to criminally prosecute MPs who voted 'yes' and hopefully end their political careers. Keep in mind - supporters of this bill are dangerous lunatics who can't be effectively dealt with by methods suitable for normal people.

 

[Crumb]

This is what I mean by 'a waste of time' --------- why vote when 1 party has more members than the opposing 2 parties combined.---- Why not just read the bill and then immediately declare it as 'passed'.........
--edited for length--

this is why it's called a majority government (despite being voted in with less than 40% of the vote) and this bill being passed was a foregone conclusion.

minority govs may be slow as fuck, but at least they're more balanced most times.

 

[rickoshadows]

Perhaps we should be emailing all the Senators and demand they do their job and exercise some sober second thought and send the bill back. It had been done before and it would be an opportunity to prove to Canadians they have an important role in democracy by defending the constitution and citizen rights.

 

[phreak]

Perhaps we should be emailing all the Senators and demand they do their job and exercise some sober second thought and send the bill back. It had been done before and it would be an opportunity to prove to Canadians they have an important role in democracy by defending the constitution and citizen rights.

Yes, this is our last hope. But the fact that the opposition readily discussed and voted on the bill which opposes fundamental Canadian values clearly shows Canadians fail to even realize they have rights, forget about defending them.