Vancouver prices falling - $60 to $80 new trend! Pooners rejoice!!

Hardlover

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Vancouver industry prices seem to be falling perhaps due to increased competition. Several SPs are offering $60 to $80 for 30 mins or 20 mins which is a really good deal.

This is good news for some who have often complained that prices routinely start at $140+ and now we are on the same level at par with Toronto and few other US cities where $60 to $80 is the norm.

This has been long overdue and it is only going to get better.

Wohoo!
 

Caramel

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I noticed this too from browsing while bored...its in all locations too, and ladies of all ages with not that many restrictions. I wonder why? Anyone have any theories...?

But anyhow I would be careful and make sure they are legit and not flaky or anything.

But I've also noticed ladies who's rates used to be $200-$250 like last year, are now $300-$350, it seems like the norm for the "upscale" companion nowadays.
 

Hardlover

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Well check up craigslist especially in Surrey and Richmond areas. Its no longer even about the old asian ladies. Im seeing a lot of caucasian ladies between 20-30 yrs in that price range. Ive been waiting for times like this since ages. I havent seen prices this low since past 15 years. There is a lot of competition in Vancouver and it is driving the prices down.

About time brothas... about time!
 

lenny

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Maybe it's not time to move to Asia. Have the lowtrack BBBJ rates dropped from $20 too?
I believe i saw a newspaper ad for 40 or 60 bucks FS a year or two ago.
 

jesuschrist

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I noticed this too from browsing while bored...its in all locations too, and ladies of all ages with not that many restrictions. I wonder why? Anyone have any theories...?

But anyhow I would be careful and make sure they are legit and not flaky or anything.

But I've also noticed ladies who's rates used to be $200-$250 like last year, are now $300-$350, it seems like the norm for the "upscale" companion nowadays.
The low end and the high end of the scale are easy to explain. Here is my theory on this:

For the low end:
It does not take any special training to do this job, any female willing to do it can do it with almost no training and definitely no education. Also, setting up to do this job doesn't require much - you just need a private residence - and almost everyone has that. Lastly, there are no financial investment costs to starting up this kind of business. The training, education, set up and investment costs are very low - in fact, one could argue it as non-existent. In economics this is called "competitor's low barrier to entry" - in other words, anyone can enter the market as a provider easily. This creates a lot of competitors, which creates a lot of competition. This kind of competition drives prices down and increases levels of services for the same dollar value. It is a drive to the bottom, and a buyer's market. People say it is all the Asian providers from China that is driving the price down - and that is largely true - but they would not be doing so if the low end of the market were not structured as I described. We should probably start seeing providers from Latin America and other impoverished areas of the world coming here to drive down prices - if the government allowed ease of entry from those areas into this country. Also, air fare costs to them is a big factor. In Europe, a lot of the low end is fulfilled by Russians and eastern block countries in the exact same way.
That takes care of the suppliers of service. As for the buyers of service, these are usually men who are very sensitive to price increases and because they are in the low end of the scale, focus on high quantity of girls and high service levels - and for that reason, do not care about "branding" - that is, that a girl has a brand (and at this end of the scale, almost all girls have no brand), and thus the buyer has no loyalty. In other words, the buyer can interchange one girl for another easily - they are all virtually the same to him, it's only the service level and age and beauty that differentiates each one.

For the high end:
While it takes no education and no formal training to be a high end provider, it takes a lot of skill and stamina and a certain kind of character to be able to do the job and command a higher price. Few women have that ability and it varies to great degrees. These women have honed in to what the buyer is looking for other than basic sex - be it extreme sex, fetishes, companionship, the promise of love, an uncommon or exotic desirability, degrees of exclusivity, etc. They know how to market these things and because few women can do this well, they are able to command a higher price because there is less competition. These women are the Ferraris to the low end women who are the Toyotas. For the buyers, they are not as sensitive to differences in prices among high end girls, or to price increases for that matter. This insensitivity gives the high end girl more room to move the prices up. The buyer also has brand loyalty because: 1) the girl is her own brand, 2) the brand is always unique. Since the buyer has brand loyalty, it is more difficult for him to interchange one high end girl for another. The buyer is also more likely to become infatuated or "fall in love" with a high end girl, both of which are the kiss of death to him because she can then extort more from him. I believe that although it takes a lot of skill to be a high end girl, eventually their prices will fall because it takes no formal education, almost no investment cost, no training, etc., to become a high end provider. As other girls learn how high end providers work, they will adapt their behaviour to become high end providers and this increases competition and drives down prices.

Though great profits in a black market (ie: undeclared and untaxed) can be had, by low end girls and especially high end girls, I truly think that this job will eventually have prices that are so low that both high and low end girls will drop out because it won't be profitable enough - though there will be a volumetric increase that will only get bigger for more girls entering the market - but for a shorter time. We will begin to see lots more amateurs entering the market for a quick buck for a short time and then leaving. Fewer girls will stay for a long period in the future. That's my opinion based on the analysis I presented.
 

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These women are the Ferraris to the low end women who are the Toyotas.
Don't you mean the Yugos? ;)

And by Ferraris I think you mean Mercedes. The real Ferraris dont advertise, you only see them by knowing the right people.
 

Caramel

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interesting theory jc but I have to disagree that SP's don't invest anything, they need to cover costs of incalls/driver/linens & towels/toiletries/supplies & condoms/advertising/websites/photos/security etc etc. Esp the higher end SP's

Also not to mention the health risks, safety, and dignity of oneself.
 

Caramel

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I wouldn't even deign to call it analysis. More like baseless conjecture on your part. Its very clear to me that you bear these women some animosity that only you can elucidate. The terms you use are highly offensive, you speak of high end girls "extorting" money from clients. That tells me a lot about you and your mindset. And in your mind, any client willing to shell out money for a higher end girl is a chump, hence the kiss of death remark. It may come as a shock to you, but some men don't want to splash around in a swimming pool frequented by every tom, dick and harry. Those men are willing to pay a higher price for a low volume provider, a longer session and a more physically, intellectually and emotionally desirable woman. It isn't all about rock bottom pricing and a wet hole.
i know right jc is a major troll, does he even visit sps? I tried to look for a review from him and only see junk lounge posts... :rolleyes:
 

jesuschrist

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I wouldn't even deign to call it analysis. More like baseless conjecture on your part. Its very clear to me that you bear these women some animosity that only you can elucidate. The terms you use are highly offensive, you speak of high end girls "extorting" money from clients. That tells me a lot about you and your mindset. And in your mind, any client willing to shell out money for a higher end girl is a chump, hence the kiss of death remark. It may come as a shock to you, but some men don't want to splash around in a swimming pool frequented by every tom, dick and harry. Those men are willing to pay a higher price for a low volume provider, a longer session and a more physically, intellectually and emotionally desirable woman. It isn't all about rock bottom pricing and a wet hole.
Every chance you get, you are bitterly insulting and negative to what I say. It's not like nobody catches on. Stop flaming me and stick to the issues. I bear you no animosity, but you sure as hell do have that towards me just because I disagreed with you about an issue ONCE.
 

jesuschrist

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interesting theory jc but I have to disagree that SP's don't invest anything, they need to cover costs of incalls/driver/linens & towels/toiletries/supplies & condoms/advertising/websites/photos/security etc etc. Esp the higher end SP's

Also not to mention the health risks, safety, and dignity of oneself.
Sure, those are "investments", if you want to call it that. When I say "investments", I mean what people do to invest themselves in a business - like a college degree, or thousands of dollars in inventory, or thousands of dollars in legal fees to protect liability or a trademark or a process, or paying for licenses, or suppliers, etc.

Condoms and websites and towels are just the cost of running a business. They are hardly investments, and furthermore, offer almost no barriers to entry into the market place.

As for dignity to oneself, that is an interesting point you bring up. It is only measurable by the person doing it. If there is any cost of dignity, I suggest they not take on a job. Nobody should ever do a job where they think it costs them their dignity, otherwise their dignity is measured in dollars - and that is sad. Now most SP's enter the work voluntarily - of their own free will - and if they are willing to subject their own dignity to do it, what can I say. If you lament your own dignity on that basis, nobody should sympathize since it was your own doing. Isn't it quite self-indulgent to hurt yourself and then expect people to sympathize....
 

jesuschrist

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Don't you mean the Yugos? ;)

And by Ferraris I think you mean Mercedes. The real Ferraris dont advertise, you only see them by knowing the right people.
I see that Ferrari (the car company) does advertise in high end periodicals. Well maybe you consider the high end girls to be Mercedes. It's like tomato and tomahto kind of argument isn't it?
 

Boneman

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It is like any other business. You get what you pay for. If you haven't figured out that yet why are you here?
 

Caramel

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I can sympathise with Caramel's perspective, Takin a big Schlong in the ass might not feel like the most dignifying experience!
lol :pound:

well whether you like it or not, there is a lot of stigma and zero tolerance for this business in our society and culture...We have been brought up to believe that sex is dirty and slut shaming is warranted, and cheating on your spouse is considered a capital offense in most societies lol...why do you think the majority of SP's hide their face in photos and value discretion so much?
 
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sevenofnine

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Some body I am aquainted with just ruined his life.
He plead guilty to a well sort of a major sex crime.

Fired from work, going to loose most of his pension, wife left him sueing for divorce maybe jail time.
Some victims are considering sueing him as well.

I kind of think seeing an escort may not be ideal or the best situation, surly nothing to be proud about.
But you know an option. In most cases a harmless option. For all concerned.

Like everything in life, its more about your attitude and how you approach it.
Life is never perfect.

But I think there is a big difference in scuming around treating the girls like shit.


As opposed to treating them with respect and dignity, and paying them fairly.

Everyone would like it if this thing were in was out of the closet.
That a person could just meet some one come to an agreement and have sex. And not be ashamed of what we did.

How is that ever going to happen?
When we seem to treat sex like a dog fucking in the street, as cheap as I can get ten minutes up her ass whatever bbbj's
cheap as I can fucking get it, fifteen minutes of her time. Guys lined up out the door.

I think we have to raise ourself above two dogs fuckning in the street just because there fucking dogs and there horny.

We need to have sex with a certain dignity, whether I pay for it or not it doesn't matter.
We need to stop being predators and survial level escorts if were ever going to get any where.
 

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"competitor's low barrier to entry".

interesting theory jc but I have to disagree that SP's don't invest anything, they need to cover costs of incalls/driver/linens & towels/toiletries/supplies & condoms/advertising/websites/photos/security etc etc. Esp the higher end SP's

Also not to mention the health risks, safety, and dignity of oneself.

Caramel,

Just how many of those things are true barriers to entry into a working world where one need do little more than to take the bus to East Hastings and hang out for a short while?

The more attractive she is, the more quickly she'll be picked-up, and the more of any overhead expenses she can get a John to cover.
 

newatit

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Yes, many gals do hide their face and they do value discretion and that is a very wise thing to do. With photo recognition software and the like, showing up on a website with a fully exposed face can be a lifetime downer.

But for those who handle the job descreetly, they still face the issue of being recognized publically if they post some thing that a former client sees and comments on adding unneeded information. That happened to one sp friend of mine who managed to have it hidden in the end but with great difficulty. So for those gals determined to show it all, and stay in the business, they will change in time, and one thing women have going for them is that a change in hairdo, apperance, eyeglasses, can be real disguise, and effective. So much for that.

As for those who need a few bucks, see this as a way to do it there are a few sugar daddy websights that handle the matter very well and discreetly. I have met a few gals who are really only interested in one or two "clients" and a very low exposure, and will provide service for extended periods and much more satisfying that these one or two hour deals.

And overall the cost is often much more palatable, they need a certain amount but don't want to be classified as an SP by bumping everyone who shows up at the door with money in his hand.

There are alternatives.
 

lenny

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Vancouver industry prices seem to be falling perhaps due to increased competition. Several SPs are offering $60 to $80 for 30 mins or 20 mins which is a really good deal.
This says it was that low a price 4 years ago in Toronto for a 90 minute session:


http://www.thestar.com/life/2009/06/07/recession_means_tough_times_for_sex_workers.html


But it's no surprise prostitutes and their customers end up haggling, says Sadorsky. Unlike alcohol and cigarettes, which are regulated and sold in stores, the price of sex is flexible and negotiated for each transaction by the buyer and the seller. People willing to work for less affect the going price, he says.


The recession has seen the street price of oral sex, the most common service, plummet from $60 last fall to $20 today. "Full service" involving intercourse has dropped from $150 to $80.


And it's not just street prostitutes who are being hit. Escort workers, both those with agencies and independents, report a 15 per cent decline in clients, says Valerie Scott, executive director of Sex Professionals of Canada, a volunteer group working toward the decriminalization of sex work.


As well, she says, the clients they do have are scrimping.


"If they had previously paid for an hour, they are now going for half an hour. Or they are having only three sessions a month, not four."


Toronto's sex trade workers began feeling the pinch of the economic meltdown last fall.


"That's been the vibe on the street since October," says Scott. "How we are doing is a reliable indicator of how the economy is doing."


Wendy Babcock, 29, a harm-reduction worker with Street Health, says the weekly prostitute drop-in she runs has been dominated by concerns about dropping prices.


She has noticed escorts dropping their prices dramatically in their advertisements on the back pages of local free newspapers.


An hour and a half in the prostitute's home with the client's choice of services "used to be $250, and now they are asking for $60 or $80," she says.

http://www.thestar.com/life/2009/06/07/recession_means_tough_times_for_sex_workers.html
 

bbKing

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Has anyone else also notice a shift in demographics of girls recently?

With the boys down south growing their own bud, it looks like the gangs here don't make much money just by exporting BC bud.

Thankfully they have moved into the pussy business as I am noticing more and more young local Asian and even EI girls on the market. Similar to how Caucasian gangs have traditionally controlled Caucasian girls.
 
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