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Trump for President. Who's hopping on the bandwagon? Who's digging a bunker?

rlock

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This thread is a microcosm of Trump shaming that polarizes the self appointed entitled left to be everything they claim they're against. ... .The Clinton's have no campaign. They are so corrupt that all they can do is use an inflammatory smear campaign against Trump and ramp it as loud as possible with their 'in the tank' media such that the public are not aware of all the enormous evidence of corruption ...
Trump is likely the ignorant douchebag they say he is. Either that, or he's just cynically playing one for the public - but if so, he's doing it so self-destructively you question whether he really wants to be president at all.

I do not think Trump is exactly the anti-establishment guy he says he is; in an economic policy sense, he is definitely not a Bernie Sanders who would try to level the gap between rich and poor.

But you're right to say Clinton's campaign is trying like hell to take the focus away from herself. Her foreign policies (hawkish war-with-Russia / regime change stuff just like Dubya), her shady foreign dark money & lobbying & Wall Street connections.

What you get with Clinton is The Establishment. Her problem is not what what she says, but who she serves.
 

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At least Clinton has political experience. There has always been a lot of behind closed door dealings in Politics. Not all they know can be released to te public, so I can't blame her for not revealing all she knows.
For DT, the market has outperformed his wealth accumulation in the same period, so how good a businessman is he really? And he has little official political experience, if any.


I still like the Theory that the Clinton's set up DT to run for office about 10 years ago, knowing he would implode the party in the process.
 

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Trump has the attention span of a gnat. Clearly learning to be POTUS is not an entry level job and he seems to think he can do it well. Just wait for the fights on the hill. All the GOP who turned their backs on him will follow Paul Ryan's lead. The Dems would block everything he proposes making the Presidential veto a weekly occurance.

But everything will be HUGE, WAY BETTER and Clinton is going to jail.

He's a fucking disgrace not just in this election but how he has carried himself throughout his whole life.
 

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Finally someone who actually has the balls to say the truth. This thread is a microcosm of Trump shaming that polarizes the self appointed entitled left to be everything they claim they're against. "They go low , we go high" is ridiculous when you hear it repeated by the corrupt democrats. Anyone who doesn't subscribe to their willfully blind outlook is a racist, misogynistic, xenophobic bigot...The Clinton's have no campaign. They are so corrupt that all they can do is use an inflammatory smear campaign against Trump and ramp it as loud as possible with their 'in the tank' media such that the public are not aware of all the enormous evidence of corruption that makes Watergate look like taking a pen home from work.
Very well said Blackcad!:clap2:

Sadly, there is little to no point in even going into depth on this topic.
Don't waste your breathe and time on the lost and the hopeless...
 

clu

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Sadly, there is little to no point in even going into depth on this topic.
Don't waste your breathe and time on the lost and the hopeless...
The funny thing is that this is the sentiment on both sides of the argument.

The only way I see Trump making sense to anyone is in the context of one person who doesn't understand the challenges of the job (Trump) telling another person who doesn't understand the challenges of the job (his voters) how he has the answers to all the challenges that those who do understand the job haven't been able to solve. But he's holding on to those alleged answers like some snake oil salesman.

If Hillary Clinton is every bit the crook people claim she is, she's the most brilliantly slippery politician the US has ever seen. That's talent. She'd put mob bosses to shame.

And if I had to choose between snake oil salesman and mob boss to run the country, I'd choose mob boss.
 

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You seriously need to wake up and smell the coffee!!!!

1. The Clintons have an estimated net worth of over $60 million USD. Since when do politicians make millions of dollars per year? It's called being corrupt and getting paid off...

2. Trump is an amazing developer and incredible business person. You don't become a billionaire by mistake and create amazing properties around the world by luck. (You sound jealous)
So the Clinton's money prove that they're corrupt and evil, but Trump's money proves he's incredible? That's some pretzel twisted logic there...

1. The Clinton's money were not earned while they were in office. Bill wasn't making that money when he was President, and Clinton wasn't doing it while she was Secretary of State. They made their money during the years they were out of office. Go look at that list of speech fees Hillary was paid that the Trump camp has been used to show she's in the pocket of Wall Street. She made a LOT giving speeches. You might think it was too much, none of it is illegal. Sports players and celebrities also get paid way too much too, that doesn't automatically make them corrupt.

2. You do if you were born to a dad who was a multi-millionaire. Trump is hardly an amazing developer, many of his projects have gone bankrupt. We know for a fact from that leaked tax return that he had LOST a billion dollars from his failed Atlantic City casinos (and he used that loss to avoid paying taxes for 20 years). Now, Trump is a very skilled marketer and promoter, this is why his properties sell, because he's built up a very strong brand over the years. But that hardly translate to Trump being some kind of genius businessman who can fix the sluggish US economy.

Besides which... do you even live in the US, or make money there? You know that Trump has promised to back the US out of NAFTA, right? If that happens the Canadian economy will go down, meaning the Canadian dollar will get hit hard too. Honestly there's no reason for any Canadian who doesn't live in the US to support Trump.
 

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Donald Trump is an arrogant, egomaniacal, unqualified, sexist, racist, WASPy pig who has earned his wealth through the advantage of his father's money, his connections and generous US law that allows guys like him to lose $1 billion and then not have to pay income tax for the next 18 years. Despite all that I don't think he's evil. He's definitely not qualified. He definitely lacks a social conscious. But I don't think he's evil.

Hillary Clinton is pure evil. If you can't see that after all the bullshit that has been dumped on us than you're lying to yourselves. This bitch would sell her soul just to get elected. She has already sold herself in a "business decision" by staying married to a guy who dragged her through hell and back. Who on earth would pay Hillary Clinton $225,000 an evening to listen to her speak? Have any of you ever heard her say ANYTHING in a speech that was even remotely thought-provoking, inspirational, insightful or original?!?! (other than some of the Wikileaks info where she's speaking to the Brazilian banks saying that she has these dreams of completely open borders, etc)

There is nothing but a hollow shell with her as everything that comes out of her mouth is an echo reverberating from a political payoff. Her Haiti charity is nothing but a cash machine used to collect money from foreign governments and to connect political interest groups to her while directing money and construction contracts to the friends of Clinton. She voted to invade Iraq even though everyone knew there were no weapons of mass destruction. Her tenure as Secretary of State has been a complete disaster - US foreign relations has never been worse, and that's saying alot when you're compared to administrations like those under G.W. Bush. I think she would even kill babies just to get herself elected I think that she is that corrupt (wait...what!?!?? Oh yeah...I did go there!)

And how on earth can a citizen vote for a candidate in good conscience when they know 100% that she deleted those 33,000 emails which were subpoenaed by the courts - that alone should disqualify her from becoming a president of the United States because she really should be indicted criminally for that act alone.

Hell...she may very well get indicted weeks after these election results if there is anything to these reports coming out that the FBI is reopening their investigation of her. They would 100% definitely not announce they were doing this right now right before a presidential election unless there was something really bad that's come up.

Would I ever vote for Donald Trump? Never, unless a gun were put to my head. Unfortunately being paired up with Hillary Clinton would be akin to having a gun to your head. The other Independent candidates - Gary Johnson, Jill Stein and Evan McMullin would probably all be better choices by default if they weren't a waste of a vote.

At least with Donald Trump you might have a guy who wants to pull the Wizard's curtain back and let us take a peek at what goes on behind the scenes, and maybe even throw a wrench at the military industrial complex. I think he could be a horrible president, but if he's voted in maybe just maybe there's hope that the political elite get exposed for who they are.

Not that that's going to happen.

Funny thing is that I like Obama, and I even liked Bill until the Clintons got exposed. But the more shit I see with the establishment the more I want them all to get nuked off the face of the earth. And I don't think for one second that Hillary doesn't enjoy having some puppeteers hand up her ass directing her to do exactly as they say while greasing the skids for her and her boy Bill.
 
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It may seem bizarre, but I agree with everything you just posted. That reflects my thoughts exactly.
 

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Donald Trump is an arrogant, egomaniacal, unqualified, sexist, racist, WASPy pig who has earned his wealth through the advantage of his father's money, his connections and generous US law that allows guys like him to lose $1 billion and then not have to pay income tax for the next 18 years. Despite all that I don't think he's evil. He's definitely not qualified. He definitely lacks a social conscious. But I don't think he's evil.

Hillary Clinton is pure evil. If you can't see that after all the bullshit that has been dumped on us than you're lying to yourselves. This bitch would sell her soul just to get elected. She has already sold herself in a "business decision" by staying married to a guy who dragged her through hell and back. Who on earth would pay Hillary Clinton $225,000 an evening to listen to her speak? Have any of you ever heard her say ANYTHING in a speech that was even remotely thought-provoking, inspirational, insightful or original?!?! (other than some of the Wikileaks info where she's speaking to the Brazilian banks saying that she has these dreams of completely open borders, etc)

There is nothing but a hollow shell with her as everything that comes out of her mouth is an echo reverberating from a political payoff. Her Haiti charity is nothing but a cash machine used to collect money from foreign governments and to connect political interest groups to her while directing money and construction contracts to the friends of Clinton. She voted to invade Iraq even though everyone knew there were no weapons of mass destruction. Her tenure as Secretary of State has been a complete disaster - US foreign relations has never been worse, and that's saying alot when you're compared to administrations like those under G.W. Bush. I think she would even kill babies just to get herself elected I think that she is that corrupt (wait...what!?!?? Oh yeah...I did go there!)

And how on earth can a citizen vote for a candidate in good conscience when they know 100% that she deleted those 33,000 emails which were subpoenaed by the courts - that alone should disqualify her from becoming a president of the United States because she really should be indicted criminally for that act alone.

Hell...she may very well get indicted weeks after these election results if there is anything to these reports coming out that the FBI is reopening their investigation of her. They would 100% definitely not announce they were doing this right now right before a presidential election unless there was something really bad that's come up.

Would I ever vote for Donald Trump? Never, unless a gun were put to my head. Unfortunately being paired up with Hillary Clinton would be akin to having a gun to your head. The other Independent candidates - Gary Johnson, Jill Stein and Evan McMullin would probably all be better choices by default if they weren't a waste of a vote.

At least with Donald Trump you might have a guy who wants to pull the Wizard's curtain back and let us take a peek at what goes on behind the scenes, and maybe even throw a wrench at the military industrial complex. I think he could be a horrible president, but if he's voted in maybe just maybe there's hope that the political elite get exposed for who they are.

Not that that's going to happen.

Funny thing is that I like Obama, and I even liked Bill until the Clintons got exposed. But the more shit I see with the establishment the more I want them all to get nuked off the face of the earth. And I don't think for one second that Hillary doesn't enjoy having some puppeteers hand up her ass directing her to do exactly as they say while greasing the skids for her and her boy Bill.
Actually, the list you made about Trump is pretty much what evil is all about, lol. You complain about the Clinton foundation, but at least they are actually doing charity. Trump's foundation is a "charity" that uses its money to pay off financial obligations for his companies, put paintings of himself in his properties, and provide police organizations with money to have events at HIS resorts.

Clinton is not evil. She is a career politician who has dedicated her life to public service. I am not sure why there is so much vitriol directed against her. My best guess about that is because she is a strong willed woman who made a career beyond her husband, and conservatives hate that. It is interesting that pretty much the same thing was done against Obama, except that in his case it was because he was black. I guess that is just the conservative way, they respect greed, not public service. We see this time and time again, they just make a whole bunch of stuff up then go crazy. Tea party shit - these people are delusional. Oh, and before you start ranting about liberals defending their own, let me point out that in the previous two elections I supported Romney and McCain, because I felt they were the better candidates. I supported Bush snr, but I thought his son was an idiot and not worthy of the office. This time round Clinton is clearly the better of the two up for election. I don't choose one party or the other, I choose who I think is the best candidate, someone who is centrist and neither left nor right wing.

She got paid a large sum of money to make a speech. Guess what, a high profile politico gets paid that, there is nothing unusual about it. Ok, so YOU won't get paid to do that, but the reason for that is that you are a nobody. That is not the case with Clinton, and people will pay to have her speak to them. That is why retired politicians go on the speaking circuit, how do you think all of them earn a living after office? It is from speeches and directorships. Put this to you: how much does the average member of a NBA or NFL team get paid for playing a game? Or making a paid appearance/endorsement? Not too far what Clinton got paid.

Regarding the emails, so what? It was not illegal for her to keep a private email server. That has already been established. I think you could argue that she made a poor decision in that regard, and that she probably had secrecy in mind when she did it, which is kind of ironic when you think about it. She did manage to keep secrets secret after all.

She won't get indicted after the election. These emails are apparently Abedin's, and if anything there is from Clinton, it will be the other end of what was already on her own server. So nothing new. They will go through it, and look at Abedin's correspondence, but that does not impact Clinton. When announcing his action, the director himself said they didn't know what was in the files, so it is likely that nothing new is there. More disturbing however is that he chose to announce it at all . Apparently it is policy at the FBI not to make any announcements of this sort 60 days prior to an election, and this applies to all level of government, from federal down to county. It obviously is going to impact on the election, and if it turns out that there is nothing new in these e-mails there are going to be serious questions asked about interference in the electoral process.

Trump will NOT allow you a peek into the inner workings of government. If anything he is going to be secrecy on steroids far worse than Clinton, judging from past behavior, and he will use the apparatus of the state to silence anyone who disagrees with him. The guy is a bully, has a thin skin and holds a grudge to a crazy degree. Be critical and suddenly you will have the IRS and FBI all over you. He is by far the scariest of the two. Elect him and you can kiss your civil liberty goodbye.

Bill Clinton was a pretty good president, one of the better in recent history. His only downside really was his philandering, but that was really something between him and his wife, it did not involve everyone else.
 

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Actually, the list you made about Trump is pretty much what evil is all about, lol. You complain about the Clinton foundation, but at least they are actually doing charity. Trump's foundation is a "charity" that uses its money to pay off financial obligations for his companies, put paintings of himself in his properties, and provide police organizations with money to have events at HIS resorts.

Clinton is not evil. She is a career politician who has dedicated her life to public service. I am not sure why there is so much vitriol directed against her. My best guess about that is because she is a strong willed woman who made a career beyond her husband, and conservatives hate that. It is interesting that pretty much the same thing was done against Obama, except that in his case it was because he was black. I guess that is just the conservative way, they respect greed, not public service. We see this time and time again, they just make a whole bunch of stuff up then go crazy. Tea party shit - these people are delusional. Oh, and before you start ranting about liberals defending their own, let me point out that in the previous two elections I supported Romney and McCain, because I felt they were the better candidates. I supported Bush snr, but I thought his son was an idiot and not worthy of the office. This time round Clinton is clearly the better of the two up for election. I don't choose one party or the other, I choose who I think is the best candidate, someone who is centrist and neither left nor right wing.

She got paid a large sum of money to make a speech. Guess what, a high profile politico gets paid that, there is nothing unusual about it. Ok, so YOU won't get paid to do that, but the reason for that is that you are a nobody. That is not the case with Clinton, and people will pay to have her speak to them. That is why retired politicians go on the speaking circuit, how do you think all of them earn a living after office? It is from speeches and directorships. Put this to you: how much does the average member of a NBA or NFL team get paid for playing a game? Or making a paid appearance/endorsement? Not too far what Clinton got paid.

Regarding the emails, so what? It was not illegal for her to keep a private email server. That has already been established. I think you could argue that she made a poor decision in that regard, and that she probably had secrecy in mind when she did it, which is kind of ironic when you think about it. She did manage to keep secrets secret after all.

She won't get indicted after the election. These emails are apparently Abedin's, and if anything there is from Clinton, it will be the other end of what was already on her own server. So nothing new. They will go through it, and look at Abedin's correspondence, but that does not impact Clinton. When announcing his action, the director himself said they didn't know what was in the files, so it is likely that nothing new is there. More disturbing however is that he chose to announce it at all . Apparently it is policy at the FBI not to make any announcements of this sort 60 days prior to an election, and this applies to all level of government, from federal down to county. It obviously is going to impact on the election, and if it turns out that there is nothing new in these e-mails there are going to be serious questions asked about interference in the electoral process.

Trump will NOT allow you a peek into the inner workings of government. If anything he is going to be secrecy on steroids far worse than Clinton, judging from past behavior, and he will use the apparatus of the state to silence anyone who disagrees with him. The guy is a bully, has a thin skin and holds a grudge to a crazy degree. Be critical and suddenly you will have the IRS and FBI all over you. He is by far the scariest of the two. Elect him and you can kiss your civil liberty goodbye.

Bill Clinton was a pretty good president, one of the better in recent history. His only downside really was his philandering, but that was really something between him and his wife, it did not involve everyone else.
Hold on. You're only half-listening and cherry picking what you want to hear. I never said I was a conservative or republican. I explicitly stated that I liked Obama, did like Bill, and alluded that GW Bush's tenure was horrific. I don't actually ever recall supporting any republican candidate in my lifetime - and I'm not actually "supporting" the republican candidate here either. In Canadian politics I've switched back and forth between Conservatives and Liberals but for the first time in my life I supported my local NDP candidate last election not because I necessarily supported NDP policies (because I don't), but because he was the only human being I trusted - I could not support Harper as a PM and I couldn't see any substance behind Trudeau beyond the camera flashes and photo ops so I voted based on my comfort of the local constituent MP. So please do not even try to label me a "conservative" - you couldn't possibly be more wrong.

Trump is an asshole and a moron but I don't think he's evil and I don't think he will be influenced by other people's money. As far as I'm aware he's never made any decisions where people ultimately die and if the worst thing that he can be accused of is being a philanderer and sexist pig then he and Bill Clinton will have that in common. But Trump also wasn't the most powerful man in the world lording his imminent power over a lowly intern to get his cock sucked either. And while people like you ignore that people of power like a POTUS possess this power which can be used in a predatory manner - you will on the other hand be happy to rail on Trump when for the most part he's mostly guilty of being a pig (like most of the guys on this board) and being too aggressive in approaching women. Your arguments are all too convenient.

I complain about the Clinton Foundation because it is clearly a pipeline where donations are used as influence and access. Are you going to gloss over the fact that they received huge money from the governments of Algeria, Brunei, Kuwait, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and Oman as well as foreign nationals from all over the world? Of course you are - because you have an agenda and this wouldn't suit your agenda. Do you think for one moment that these governments would hand over this money if they didn't provide any influence? Give your head a shake.

You dismiss my comment about Hillary's speech fees suggesting I don't like it because I'm upset because I myself wouldn't command those fees?!?! Are you on crack? Hillary has nothing to say and if you claim otherwise then you have never heard her speak. Bill Clinton had something to say. Obama had something to say. Even Bush Sr. had something to say. I understand why people would pay good money to hear them speak - they're brilliant, insightful, eloquent, original and are presidential. But not that much money. And no one goes to watch Bush Jr. speak because he's an idiot, and while I've never claimed Hillary to be an idiot (because she's not - she's more likely a manipulative genius) I have also never heard her utter one word that one could label as inspirational or thought-provoking. So who would pay Hillary $225,000 an appearance (that's not just a one time fee my friend)...of course these "customers" are people paying to get access to her and there is absolutely no other good reason for them to otherwise pay these fees. And you poo-poo this off as being normal and that's the problem because it should not be normal particularly while politicians are still in office.

And you also poo-poo the email scandal. Since when does a person get to pick and choose which materials under subpoena get to be handed over to a court? She deleted 33,000 emails because they were "personal in nature"?!?!? What?!?!? Since when does the Secretary of State have time to send 33,000 personal emails so private that they need to be deleted? And why would her business email contain messages of such a personal nature that they would need to be kept from outsider eyes? And do you think that its ok that someone just makes a unilateral decision to delete 33,000 emails without even so much as approaching a court and asking permission? Dude, you need to take your blinders off and
stop supporting your candidate without using a little more critical thought. Clearly she deleted these files because she's got something to hide.

Where I do agree with you is that it is odd for the FBI to make an announcement like this so close to the election. Very odd. And Comey will obviously be put under immense scrutiny for making this decision at this juncture, and I don't think for one second that Comey didn't understand any of this. I think that he knows full well the shitstorm that this decision would bring and that if the new information found wasn't serious that there is no way on earth that he wouldn't wait until after the election. It would be suicide (maybe literally) if he made this move and there was nothing to this new information which makes me believe that there has to be substance to it. Not that this speculation adds or subtracts to my thoughts on this issue - I think Hillary should be punished for obstructing justice as it was even before this. But you will gloss over this because it doesn't suit your agenda.

Even if Trump gets into office he isn't going to be allowed to take away any civil liberties. The House, Senate and courts aren't going to let him do anything. Hell, if he even tries to overstep the boundaries of his supporters by too much they will off him before any courts or congress could submit a file of writ against him. The only real power that a POTUS has in government is his ability to sway the people - otherwise they are a puppet manipulated by the money trail. Donald Trump is an abysmal man - I have never argued that he was a good choice so don't put words into my mouth. But I do think that if he got in there that he can and may very well choose to expose the system for what it really is if he gets in there and realizes that he can't do anything that he wants (no matter how ill-informed a policy that it might be).

Hillary would just keep collecting the money just as every other career politician has before her. And I have no doubt that she will drop bombs on a poor Afghani village or send US teenagers overseas to their deaths to fight for our oil just because the money tells her that that's what she needs to do to keep it coming.

You call her a strong woman and I don't think she has an ounce of backbone in her - I think its the exact opposite. If she had an ounce of backbone she would have left Bill when the Lewinsky shitstorm happened - but instead she made a business decision and followed the money trail.
 

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Decisions that you know. And he has not been in an official position where decisions might lead to that outcome. But make no mistake, based on what he has consistently said so far, people WILL die, and he WILL spread misery for no reason other than his ego and quick temper.

You may think that Clinton has nothing to say to YOU, but other people may think differently. If you hire a high profile person or celebrity to address/entertain/appear at your gathering, you are going to be paying numbers like that. Just because YOU don't like Clinton does not make her any less of a high profile person. The people paying for her to be there were not the attendees, it was the organizers of the event. If they did not have her as the keynote speaker it would have been someone else of similar stature, but the fee would be the same. And yes, it is normal for a conference to pay expenses and an honorarium to keynote speaker. They are not paying to "get access" to her, because at the time she not in an official position, they are paying her to come and speak to them so that they can see her and feel important. She was a private citizen, and can be expected to be remunerated like any other private citizen in a function like that.

Personal and government emails sent to her went through the same server. The deleted emails were the private ones. 33000 emails over 4 years would be about 23 a day. Most of those would not be sent by her, but sent TO her (it goes both ways you know, and you get way more email than you send). She is a well known high status person. Frankly I am surprised at how FEW e-mails she was getting, not how many. FFS, even I get 10-15 personal emails a day! She deleted this stuff to protect her privacy and the privacy of her associates in politics. If the Republicans had got their hands on all of that you can bet your sweet ass that it would have been leaked all over the place because you can be sure that many of those discussed partisan political matters related to the party and other public representatives. Nothing to do with her job, but potentially damaging to the people involved. Allowing the Republicans access to those records would have ended any future political ambitions she might have. She did not need a courts permission to delete them because they were not public records, they were personal records.

When Trump gets into office he gets to appoint people to the positions that would supposedly keep him in check, but no one goes against the boss. Just look at all the shit Nixon got away with, or Reagan for that matter, because no one would say anything when they did something illegal. It took extraordinary events to bring those acts to light, usually by sheer luck. Trump is going to be the same. He would also get things such as executive privilege (which protects him from the courts while in office), and be able to issue executive orders. Congress is needed to pass legislation and approve budgets, but there are many, many things that can be done by executive order, as long as they do not require new legislation or funding he can do anything he wants. Most presidents outside of war time have made sparing use of executive orders, but the power of the president is vast. For example, what has happened at Guantamano Bay was done by executive order. Likewise the internment of citizens of Japanese descent was done by executive order. You can bet that Trump will use that power extensively and to the full extent possible. That is how he will rule, the big boss who is answerable to no one other than himself.

Comey sending this letter (which was ONLY sent Republicans btw) was a violation of department policy. It is pretty clear and blatant interference in the political process.

The emails in question are Abedin's emails. Comey himself said in the letter that they don't know if anything relevant to the server issue is in them. My guess is that these are just a set of emails that they have not seen before, because they come from a different person. The likelihood is that there is not anything relevant, and worse case scenario Abedin might get into trouble. It would not impact Clinton, but it clearly would impact the election. Comey has to be an idiot of the highest order if he thinks anything else. He can't just put these letters out and leave the matter hanging just before the election. He has a moral obligation to settle this in the next 72 hours. Set his entire agency to reviewing these emails if he needs to, but since he was raised the topic, he has to settle it NOW.

Clinton is not obstructing justice because there is nothing to obstruct. It has already been determined that she did nothing illegal.

Wives (or husbands for that matter) staying with their spouses when infidelity happens is not uncommon. It does not mean they have no backbone, it means that they are looking at the full picture of the relationship, not just one part of it. Storming out when infidelity is discovered is the immature thing to do. It may be that the relationship is already over at that point, but leaving JUST because of infidelity and not even trying to make it work is irresponsible, especially when you have a family.
 

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Lets not forget Huggzy....you are arguing with an idiot who believes that only a certain portion of the electorate should be allowed to vote..the privileged class. Figures he's creaming his jeans over Hillary.

That is not the point. The janitors and receptionist have no idea what is or is not good for the country, which means that they are incapable of forming a sound opinion on who should be running the country. Yet they are electing people. So, anyone who comes along with a populist message will get these janitors support, who are completely clueless about the implications. That is exactly what happened with Brexit. For the most part, these are the sorts of people who support idiots like Trump.

Most of the electorate, especially those in the lower socio-economic strata, are completely clueless about these things, and should not be deciding who runs the country. Those decisions should be left to the elite, the ones who actually know what they are talking about at least some of the time. The fact that we allow these lower classes a say is exactly why most democracies have so many problems.


And yeah Huggzy...I also agree 100% with your opinion as previously stated. Its a choice between a buffoon and a criminal.
 

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Decisions that you know. And he has not been in an official position where decisions might lead to that outcome. But make no mistake, based on what he has consistently said so far, people WILL die, and he WILL spread misery for no reason other than his ego and quick temper.

You may think that Clinton has nothing to say to YOU, but other people may think differently. If you hire a high profile person or celebrity to address/entertain/appear at your gathering, you are going to be paying numbers like that. Just because YOU don't like Clinton does not make her any less of a high profile person. The people paying for her to be there were not the attendees, it was the organizers of the event. If they did not have her as the keynote speaker it would have been someone else of similar stature, but the fee would be the same. And yes, it is normal for a conference to pay expenses and an honorarium to keynote speaker. They are not paying to "get access" to her, because at the time she not in an official position, they are paying her to come and speak to them so that they can see her and feel important. She was a private citizen, and can be expected to be remunerated like any other private citizen in a function like that.

Personal and government emails sent to her went through the same server. The deleted emails were the private ones. 33000 emails over 4 years would be about 23 a day. Most of those would not be sent by her, but sent TO her (it goes both ways you know, and you get way more email than you send). She is a well known high status person. Frankly I am surprised at how FEW e-mails she was getting, not how many. FFS, even I get 10-15 personal emails a day! She deleted this stuff to protect her privacy and the privacy of her associates in politics. If the Republicans had got their hands on all of that you can bet your sweet ass that it would have been leaked all over the place because you can be sure that many of those discussed partisan political matters related to the party and other public representatives. Nothing to do with her job, but potentially damaging to the people involved. Allowing the Republicans access to those records would have ended any future political ambitions she might have. She did not need a courts permission to delete them because they were not public records, they were personal records.

When Trump gets into office he gets to appoint people to the positions that would supposedly keep him in check, but no one goes against the boss. Just look at all the shit Nixon got away with, or Reagan for that matter, because no one would say anything when they did something illegal. It took extraordinary events to bring those acts to light, usually by sheer luck. Trump is going to be the same. He would also get things such as executive privilege (which protects him from the courts while in office), and be able to issue executive orders. Congress is needed to pass legislation and approve budgets, but there are many, many things that can be done by executive order, as long as they do not require new legislation or funding he can do anything he wants. Most presidents outside of war time have made sparing use of executive orders, but the power of the president is vast. For example, what has happened at Guantamano Bay was done by executive order. Likewise the internment of citizens of Japanese descent was done by executive order. You can bet that Trump will use that power extensively and to the full extent possible. That is how he will rule, the big boss who is answerable to no one other than himself.

Comey sending this letter (which was ONLY sent Republicans btw) was a violation of department policy. It is pretty clear and blatant interference in the political process.

The emails in question are Abedin's emails. Comey himself said in the letter that they don't know if anything relevant to the server issue is in them. My guess is that these are just a set of emails that they have not seen before, because they come from a different person. The likelihood is that there is not anything relevant, and worse case scenario Abedin might get into trouble. It would not impact Clinton, but it clearly would impact the election. Comey has to be an idiot of the highest order if he thinks anything else. He can't just put these letters out and leave the matter hanging just before the election. He has a moral obligation to settle this in the next 72 hours. Set his entire agency to reviewing these emails if he needs to, but since he was raised the topic, he has to settle it NOW.

Clinton is not obstructing justice because there is nothing to obstruct. It has already been determined that she did nothing illegal.

Wives (or husbands for that matter) staying with their spouses when infidelity happens is not uncommon. It does not mean they have no backbone, it means that they are looking at the full picture of the relationship, not just one part of it. Storming out when infidelity is discovered is the immature thing to do. It may be that the relationship is already over at that point, but leaving JUST because of infidelity and not even trying to make it work is irresponsible, especially when you have a family.
This response is so, so typical of the Believers, be they of the Clinton, or Trump variety.

Make all the excuses you want to support your darling, but at least stick to facts.

You, and the FBI have no idea what was in those deleted emails, or whether they were private or government-related. You don't know that because they were deleted. The reasons can be speculated upon, but you don't know, despite your verbose statement.

Comey DID NOT send his letter only to Republicans. That was put out by a Clnton flunky and was quickly shown to be incorrect. It was also not a violation of policy.

You can "guess" all you want about what was in the current emails, but you don't know what they are either. There could be nothing, or there could be emails that are classified, in which case Clinton would not only be out of the race, but criminally charged.

So now Comey is an idiot of the highest order, and is trying to interfere with the election, yet a few weeks ago he was the greatest thing since sliced bread because he let Clinton skate on charges. You want things in black and white, yet the one muddying the waters is Clinton. All of this is on her becuase of her incredibly stupid decision to use her own server. You and Clinton might want this all to disappear on 72 hours, but despite the clout she has with the justice department, it's going to drag on, and maybe costt her the election.
 

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Wives (or husbands for that matter) staying with their spouses when infidelity happens is not uncommon. It does not mean they have no backbone, it means that they are looking at the full picture of the relationship, not just one part of it. Storming out when infidelity is discovered is the immature thing to do. It may be that the relationship is already over at that point, but leaving JUST because of infidelity and not even trying to make it work is irresponsible, especially when you have a family.


LOL - you are simply an idiot.


This isn't about staying with one's spouse when infidelity happened


This is about spraying one's jizzum all over society... then denying having done so... (and being gullible enough to buy-into the denial, and too gutless to leave when modern day testing proves the jizzum was from the accused source while simultaneously sullying the most powerful position on the planet a decade or so before you first claimed to want the same position)

This is also about someone who is SO stupid that she wrote-off and ignored a huge number of the states and the voters therein, arrogantly believing herself such a cinch that she didn't need those people, and then having her ass handed to her by a relative unknown who did bother to campaign in ALL of the states, for every available vote.


Having no backbone is one thing, but having neither a backbone nor any common sense simply renders one unfit for public office.


Why would you expect that moron to stand-up for our continent when she won't even stand-up for herself???
 

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-closely-linked-bid-power.html#ixzz4OIotg2Fb

And isnt this interesting....Hillary headlines an event which gives $500000 dollars to the senate campaign of the wife of the FBI director who closed down the investigation into Hillary's emails.

Just another incident completely and probably deliberately overlooked by the MSM while they concentrate on unproven allegations of sexual assaults by Trump and his "locker room" video (emerging at such a convenient time...when Trump was neck and neck with Hillary...strange how that happens).


If the shoe was on the other foot the media would have been ALL OVER Trump but because its Hillary they try to sweep it under the carpet.
 

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Decisions that you know. And he has not been in an official position where decisions might lead to that outcome. But make no mistake, based on what he has consistently said so far, people WILL die, and he WILL spread misery for no reason other than his ego and quick temper.

You may think that Clinton has nothing to say to YOU, but other people may think differently. If you hire a high profile person or celebrity to address/entertain/appear at your gathering, you are going to be paying numbers like that. Just because YOU don't like Clinton does not make her any less of a high profile person. The people paying for her to be there were not the attendees, it was the organizers of the event. If they did not have her as the keynote speaker it would have been someone else of similar stature, but the fee would be the same. And yes, it is normal for a conference to pay expenses and an honorarium to keynote speaker. They are not paying to "get access" to her, because at the time she not in an official position, they are paying her to come and speak to them so that they can see her and feel important. She was a private citizen, and can be expected to be remunerated like any other private citizen in a function like that.

Personal and government emails sent to her went through the same server. The deleted emails were the private ones. 33000 emails over 4 years would be about 23 a day. Most of those would not be sent by her, but sent TO her (it goes both ways you know, and you get way more email than you send). She is a well known high status person. Frankly I am surprised at how FEW e-mails she was getting, not how many. FFS, even I get 10-15 personal emails a day! She deleted this stuff to protect her privacy and the privacy of her associates in politics. If the Republicans had got their hands on all of that you can bet your sweet ass that it would have been leaked all over the place because you can be sure that many of those discussed partisan political matters related to the party and other public representatives. Nothing to do with her job, but potentially damaging to the people involved. Allowing the Republicans access to those records would have ended any future political ambitions she might have. She did not need a courts permission to delete them because they were not public records, they were personal records.

When Trump gets into office he gets to appoint people to the positions that would supposedly keep him in check, but no one goes against the boss. Just look at all the shit Nixon got away with, or Reagan for that matter, because no one would say anything when they did something illegal. It took extraordinary events to bring those acts to light, usually by sheer luck. Trump is going to be the same. He would also get things such as executive privilege (which protects him from the courts while in office), and be able to issue executive orders. Congress is needed to pass legislation and approve budgets, but there are many, many things that can be done by executive order, as long as they do not require new legislation or funding he can do anything he wants. Most presidents outside of war time have made sparing use of executive orders, but the power of the president is vast. For example, what has happened at Guantamano Bay was done by executive order. Likewise the internment of citizens of Japanese descent was done by executive order. You can bet that Trump will use that power extensively and to the full extent possible. That is how he will rule, the big boss who is answerable to no one other than himself.

Comey sending this letter (which was ONLY sent Republicans btw) was a violation of department policy. It is pretty clear and blatant interference in the political process.

The emails in question are Abedin's emails. Comey himself said in the letter that they don't know if anything relevant to the server issue is in them. My guess is that these are just a set of emails that they have not seen before, because they come from a different person. The likelihood is that there is not anything relevant, and worse case scenario Abedin might get into trouble. It would not impact Clinton, but it clearly would impact the election. Comey has to be an idiot of the highest order if he thinks anything else. He can't just put these letters out and leave the matter hanging just before the election. He has a moral obligation to settle this in the next 72 hours. Set his entire agency to reviewing these emails if he needs to, but since he was raised the topic, he has to settle it NOW.

Clinton is not obstructing justice because there is nothing to obstruct. It has already been determined that she did nothing illegal.

Wives (or husbands for that matter) staying with their spouses when infidelity happens is not uncommon. It does not mean they have no backbone, it means that they are looking at the full picture of the relationship, not just one part of it. Storming out when infidelity is discovered is the immature thing to do. It may be that the relationship is already over at that point, but leaving JUST because of infidelity and not even trying to make it work is irresponsible, especially when you have a family.
My friend, you are so delusional.

I WANTED TO BELIEVE IN HILLARY. She has done nothing but prove to me she is a puppet.

Yeah...Hillary is worth $285,000 an appearance (yeah, the $225,000/appearance number I used previously was wrong because I looked it up). Pffffftttt. And apparently Chelsea Clinton is worth $65,000 per appearance too because she has so much to say. It is enablers like you who can't see the forest through the trees because that is what is so wrong with this whole system - it all needs to be banned. It is nothing other than an organized, institutionalized pay to play. I see you didn't even address the massive donations to the Clinton Foundation by all those countries I named that have such wonderful human rights records.


And you can stop blaming Comey for this whole email "scandal". He was put into an untenable position - he was damned if he released his statement now by Hillary supporters and he was damned if he released the statement later by Trump supporters. He was in a no-win situation.

But Comey made the correct and just choice because IF HILLARY DOESN'T DELETE 33,000 EMAILS THEN THIS WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN BEEN AN ISSUE, WOULD IT? Hell...if Hillary did as she was subpoenaed to do then she might have already been cleared by now if she is as innocent as she claims to be.

Her decision to not provide everything that the FBI ordered her to do may very well turn out to be the defining moment of her campaign. And if there is nothing in those emails then her decision to not provide them in her original submission was a terrible decision by her - but that decision also reflects on her honesty as a person and also reflects on her decision making abilities. It was a dishonest (some say illegal) and bad decision.

She really should get buried for this. But you keep believing, because I bet you've always voted Democrat and your party will have to win no matter what the candidate.

It is enablers like you who allow these broken systems to keep on going.
 
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huggzy

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LOL - you are simply an idiot.


This isn't about staying with one's spouse when infidelity happened


This is about spraying one's jizzum all over society... then denying having done so... (and being gullible enough to buy-into the denial, and too gutless to leave when modern day testing proves the jizzum was from the accused source while simultaneously sullying the most powerful position on the planet a decade or so before you first claimed to want the same position)

This is also about someone who is SO stupid that she wrote-off and ignored a huge number of the states and the voters therein, arrogantly believing herself such a cinch that she didn't need those people, and then having her ass handed to her by a relative unknown who did bother to campaign in ALL of the states, for every available vote.


Having no backbone is one thing, but having neither a backbone nor any common sense simply renders one unfit for public office.


Why would you expect that moron to stand-up for our continent when she won't even stand-up for herself???
This is EXACTLY my sentiments. Of course I am all for reconciliation and I do not subscribe to the belief that infidelity is an automatic deal breaker. But for most people when there's infidelity, it isn't quite the same. The situation between Bill and Monica was no different (if not more heinous) than a male teacher/female student: you have the leader of the free (or not so free) world lording over a young girl who is not only her employer, but could have a bullet put through her head at the snap of a finger if she starts making a fuss. Many young ladies in her position would not feel like they had the power to say "no" to his advances. That's fucking criminal.

And then he doesn't have the cajones to even admit he did anything wrong. And then he's playing word games regarding the phrase "sexual relations" during the impeachment hearings - give me a fucking break.

And through this whole thing Ms. Clinton has to be the most humiliated, ridiculed cheated on spouse on the planet. Her husband is not only a multiple time cheater (which is not illegal, but shows his character) but a predator and a perjurer. And he treated the whole American people as if they were all stupid by his defense.

And he got off because the entire political and legal system is broken. Everyone on the planet knew he was guilty and should have been impeached.

And Hillary made a business decision to stay with this guy. There is zero love in that relationship - just watch how her and Bill interact. Hillary will do anything to get into power. If Hillary truly believed in women's rights she would have been imploring the courts to convict Bill for putting Lewinsky into that position - and someone who truly believes in standing up for women would never have tolerated what Bill had done in their marriage. This woman does not believe in anything except getting into power. That's it and she will do whatever it takes to get there.
 
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Lets not forget Huggzy....you are arguing with an idiot who believes that only a certain portion of the electorate should be allowed to vote..the privileged class. Figures he's creaming his jeans over Hillary.





And yeah Huggzy...I also agree 100% with your opinion as previously stated. Its a choice between a buffoon and a criminal.
Exactly. And of course the "privileged elite" are the "only ones that know what they're talking about"...its because they're the only ones that benefit from what goes on in Washington and its because they're the only ones that have any influence. The only thing that could truly benefit the lower classes is a complete, wholesale change of the system and everyone knows it. And everyone wonders why the lower classes tune out - its because they know that they're voices aren't being heard anyways.

And I completely agree with your statement regarding the choice between a buffoon and criminal. If Trump actually managed to get in I would fully expect to see him make all sorts of stupid-ass racist, sexist, xenophobic and socially repugnant statements. But he wouldn't be allowed to do anything too stupid by the courts, the house or the senate. Its not like the President really has much power to make policy decisons anyways. His real power is in the veto, his ability to appoint judges into the court, and in his platform.

All these fear mongers like Tugela make it sound like Trump would have the country implode. The country only implodes if Congress allows it to implode.

But Trump would have the ear of the people and when he runs into all the bullshit that goes on behind the scenes I fully expect a guy like this to start exposing this shit and that's exactly what I want to see and that is the only reason I would support this douchebag. Don't think for one second that I support this guy for his foreign policy, economic policy or his social conscious. I don't think he even believes half of the shit that comes out of his mouth.
 
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huggzy

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-closely-linked-bid-power.html#ixzz4OIotg2Fb

And isnt this interesting....Hillary headlines an event which gives $500000 dollars to the senate campaign of the wife of the FBI director who closed down the investigation into Hillary's emails.

Just another incident completely and probably deliberately overlooked by the MSM while they concentrate on unproven allegations of sexual assaults by Trump and his "locker room" video (emerging at such a convenient time...when Trump was neck and neck with Hillary...strange how that happens).


If the shoe was on the other foot the media would have been ALL OVER Trump but because its Hillary they try to sweep it under the carpet.
It happens so much nobody even blinks anymore. It is all so fucking wrong. But I'm sure Tugela doesn't see any problem with this right? COMEY IS THE DEVIL, RIGHT TUG?
 
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