Trade Luongo, So Over Rated

[BJhunter]

I remembered those games fondly as well, Roy was something out of this world. But I didn't realize we won another cup in '96, does that mean we have 25 now???

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Me bad, i meant '93 obviously, how can anyone forget that wink he gave to Robitaille?

And that's what Luongo tried to copy against the blues, was it, when he tapped his goalie stick and told the player that he wasn't going to score?

he should've also told Zerox too....

 

[blazejowski]

Roy won the Conn Smythe and the Cup in '93 for Montreal.

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Well, when you win 15 out of 16 games in OT....

 

[Kevin101]

I'll take Osgood's 3 Stanley cups over Luongo's ZERO anyday

Truthfully, Detroit WOULD NOT WAN'T LUONGO-- why?

They've won enough Cups without bobby loo, haven't they?

you sure are a waste of time.

How can you compare Detriot over the Canucks? WTF.

Detriot is a way better team overall over the Canucks right now.

If it wasn't for Luongo I don't think we would have made the playoffs.

By the way, where were you when the Canucks swept the blues? Now the Canucks are out of the playoffs you come out of your turtle shell and start making topics about how Canucks are this and that and how Luongo sucks and chocked etc.

 

[kalel]

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Well, when you win 15 out of 16 games in OT....

i think it was something like 10 straight overtime wins that year.

luongo is no roy. and roy was no brodeur. BUT, my favorite goalie: hasek. not for what he did in nhl but the 98 olympics!

still, i think if detroit could have luongo they would in a heartbeat but not at his current salary. they built a fucking team that can skate, score, and pass the fucking puck for a full 60 minutes. mind you so did the ducks. whatwas my point? i forgot. oh, wait it was that luongo was and is a great goalie, i think he just gets discouraged when his team in front of him has breakdowns. we all saw game 4 and 5 and how the nucks should have ended this series. shoulda woulda coulda but didn't.

 

[henryhill]

There are a lot of people who think that they know a lot about hockey and know where all the problems are. Those people sound like idiots IMO. From what I saw, they were outplayed and a few guys had a couple of bad nights. It happens. But it doesn't happen to the Stanley Cup Champions.

 

[BrokeBastard]

I will agree with the Troll on this one.

If Luongo wants to be paid like one of the best, he has to perform like one of the best. Save all those shut-outs for the post-season.

 

[BJhunter]

If Luongo wants to be paid like one of the best, he has to perform like one of the best. Save all those shut-outs for the post-season.

good stuff.

tell Kevin & Xerox, they're in love w/ Luongo probably. Just b/c he leads them to the playoffs, at best, he sure knew how to blow leads game after game, WITHIN the 3rd period.

 

[BrokeBastard]

When Luongo decided to play right away after the birth of his child last season, I thought he was being selfish. Dog-tired mentally and physically, he wins the first game back and proceeds to stink up the rest of the schedule. He should have sat out for two games, giving himself a proper rest.

Yes, we were in a playoff hunt. But because of his selfishness, he lost games probably because of fatigue. We should have made the playoffs 3 years straight.

 

[Steagall]

Luongo isn't solely to blame for the loss as the Hawks talent simply exposed the Canucks penchant for ill-timed/boneheaded penalties and defensive lapses/mistakes. The St. Louis series should have been much closer but the Blues just didn't make the Canucks pay for their mistakes whereas Kane and Co. capitalized on their opportunities.

Problem with Luongo is that his contract, under a salary cap environment, prices him in for perfection. And given his performance in game 7 and in this series as a whole (Canucks gave him leads in every single game), you have to question whether or not the Canucks would be better off taking $7 mil and splitting it between a solid goalie and top 4 dman. The talk about trades goes hand in hand when a highly paid player under performs and I think Gillis would be foolish not to weigh and consider the options, especially if it means getting a top draft/prospect or two in return.

 

[BJhunter]

Luongo isn't solely to blame for the loss as the Hawks talent simply exposed the Canucks penchant for ill-timed/boneheaded penalties and defensive lapses/mistakes. The St. Louis series should have been much closer but the Blues just didn't make the Canucks pay for their mistakes whereas Kane and Co. capitalized on their opportunities.

Problem with Luongo is that his contract, under a salary cap environment, prices him in for perfection. And given his performance in game 7 and in this series as a whole (Canucks gave him leads in every single game), you have to question whether or not the Canucks would be better off taking $7 mil and splitting it between a solid goalie and top 4 dman. The talk about trades goes hand in hand when a highly paid player under performs and I think Gillis would be foolish not to weigh and consider the options, especially if it means getting a top draft/prospect or two in return.

that's what I've been saying along. Luongo will never be a playoff performer, ever since he let in that soft goal 2 years ago in OT against the Ducks, what a bumbling fool to look at the referee for a penalty after Hansen got rocked. Just seems so natural that we always whine about the penalties (ie. talk shows), but when one really objectively looks at it, Anaheim then and Chicago were far superior teams.

Luongo's a great goalie if they play the trap w/ all 5 forwards in the zone; his huge frame, and big pads will cover plenty of net area. once he's exposed to 2 on 1's, etc., you can forget about it. Fuhr and Roy were the masters at 'end to end rush-games'. With the Canuck D so exposed and out of position due to the Hawks' speed, counter-attacks, etc., these slowpokes couldn't recover to give Bobby the D...

If Florida let him go, after 5 seasons there, CH fans gotta realize that you can't keep on blaming the team in front down south. It's not like he started on an expansion team With the exception of a handful of teams that have got good players in front (almost like this current Nucks teams, according to the bandwagons), then why can't he still win this year??? What's his excuse now? See, that's what he prob excused himself as a Panther...

B/c he choked...again, as in Anaheim '07....

 

[trackstar]

Luongo isn't solely to blame for the loss as the Hawks talent simply exposed the Canucks penchant for ill-timed/boneheaded penalties and defensive lapses/mistakes. The St. Louis series should have been much closer but the Blues just didn't make the Canucks pay for their mistakes whereas Kane and Co. capitalized on their opportunities.

Problem with Luongo is that his contract, under a salary cap environment, prices him in for perfection. And given his performance in game 7 and in this series as a whole (Canucks gave him leads in every single game), you have to question whether or not the Canucks would be better off taking $7 mil and splitting it between a solid goalie and top 4 dman. The talk about trades goes hand in hand when a highly paid player under performs and I think Gillis would be foolish not to weigh and consider the options, especially if it means getting a top draft/prospect or two in return.

He has a no-trade clause and management loves him (they gave him the "C" so that he will want to stay after his contract expires imo), so get used to him. Aside from game 6, look at how many goals were from rebounds, which his defense, or the collapsing center are responsible for). Also, up until game six, he was 3rd in SP and first in GAA (or was it visa versa, sorry, temporary stat dyslexia ), so he was holding his own.

Aside from Brodeur, there are no hall of flame goalies in the league, so saying, "He's no Roy, Dryden, Fuhr, etc. isn't relative, as no goalie in the playoffs is, yet some team in the NHL will still win the cup (btw, the Canucks got further than Brodeur's Devils, even with the great Brodeur in net). If Luongo was in Detroit, I think the Wings would be untouchable for several years. He hasn't had a cup contending defense play in front of him yet, so anyone (guess who ) that labels him as a shitty goalie because of his playoff experiences is hockey illiterate. Every great goalie has choked here and there in the playoffs, game six would be Luongo's game. Don't blame the offense, as 5 goals should have been enough to win ANY game.

I'm willing to bet that if the Canucks (yes, the Canucks, not, "We" ) don't get to the cup next year (which I doubt they will, as there are too many issues to be addressed with too few options and not enough time to address them in a year), then Luongo will be on his merry way to a legit contender. In the playoffs, the Canucks couldn't even stick to their, "We're no longer a defensive team" mandate, so include the coaching to be one of the major issues that they need to address in the off season.

 

[JFF009]

I feel bad for you.

Don't...I have more important things in my life than hunting for a good bj.

you better jump off the Luongo bandwagon

No need to...I never jumped on. I think Luongo is a great goalie. I don't consider his age and achievements as a big deal b/c he spent most of his career playing for a team that was just trying not to lose money...they didn't care about trying to win.

He isn't going to win here, that's my Mark Messier guarantee. Chicago was a far superior opponent than the Blues, I knew that before the playoffs started, but not the CH's

If you knew that then as others have said where were you after the Blues series. I think the hawks and blues are two of the better young teams in the league. I also think they need to make it happen now as they are only a year or two away from losing it all through free agency.

There are a lot of people who think that they know a lot about hockey and know where all the problems are. Those people sound like idiots IMO. From what I saw, they were outplayed and a few guys had a couple of bad nights. It happens. But it doesn't happen to the Stanley Cup Champions.

Nice of you to call people idiots for simply sharing their opinion. I think you sound more like the idiot with a comment like that...sorry IMO (putting that in makes it right, right??)
Actually it does happen to Stanley Cup Champions...just not in elimination games.
IMHO the lack of speed of the defence is what hurt them against Chicago. It would not have been as glaring a deficiency if they had played any other team in the West. Chicago simply has one of the fastest forward groups in the league. The Canuck D just weren't quick enough to get to the puck with enough time to do something intelligent with it. Even when they did have enough time they still made mistakes because they felt rushed knowing the speed the Hawks possessed.

 

[AA_Train]

An interesting trade idea...

Here's something I have been pondering the last coulpe of days I've been at home with a cold. There's a real possibility that Luongo will not re-sign in Vancouver after next season, which will meanthe Canucks will need a number 1 goalie. Oh, and by the way Canuck fans, Corey Schneider is NOT the answer. He's slow and timid as a goaltender and will probably end up a journeyman AHLer for his career. I say the Canucks trade Luongo for Carey Price.

Why you might ask??? For starters, Luongo is from Montreal, Price is from Vancouver. Players want to play for their hometown teams. Luongo loves the pressure that Montreal will provide and it is quite apparent Price cannot handle it. Price is and RFA this year and with his performance won't be signed for more than 3 million a year. Price will join a core of young players that includes, Kesler, Burrows, Edler and Hodgson. In the cap era, the teams that excel are the ones who grow young players together. The Canadiens have some good young talent in their system but are too spread out in terms of their development. They need a mix of established NHLers to fill the gaps. Even if Luongo makes $7million a year in Montreal, with all the free agents that will leave Montreal after this season, there will be more than enough cap space to sign Luongo to a big deal and some solid NHLers as well.

In such a trade were to happen,other players and draft picks will change hands. If they re-sign the Sedins, they won't be able to re-sign Luongo. If they don't re-sign the Sedins, Luongo will go anyway because he doesn't want to be stuck in a situation similar to the one he was a part of in Florida. The Canucks will have to rebuild, and why not do it with a 23-year old Price instead of with some random journeyman of free agent goalie?

What does the PERB mob think???

 

[wilde]

What does the PERB mob think???

1) Price is not an RFA this year, he has 1 year left @ $0.85M

2) Luongo's cap hit next year is $7.5M and he has a no-trade clause

3) Unless Bob Gainey gets fired


Not going to happen, my friend.

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[AA_Train]

1) Price is not an RFA this year, he has 1 year left @ $0.85M

2) Luongo's cap hit next year is $7.5M and he has a no-trade clause

3) Unless Bob Gainey gets fired


Not going to happen, my friend.

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You are right about Price but this is a next season deal, not this year. Gainey has to sort out the mess THIS off season first. He'll have to do something about his goaltending soon because if he doesn't, he'll lose Halak too with no one waiting in the wings ready to come in. Although, I bet Luongo would waive his no-trade clause in a heartbeat if he got to live out his childhood dream.

 

[Steagall]

Aside from game 6, look at how many goals were from rebounds, which his defense, or the collapsing center are responsible for). Also, up until game six, he was 3rd in SP and first in GAA (or was it visa versa, sorry, temporary stat dyslexia ), so he was holding his own.

I'm not a big fan of averaging out numbers, especially when there's high variance...his performance in the Blues series to me is like a "sunk cost". All that matters is the here and now.

 

[planetsmurf]

pretty much every goaltender in the league as had a bad playoff series. from roy to brodeur( he did let in 2 goals in game 7 in the course of a minute) i like loungo as a goaltender and if trading him makes the team better then i am all for it, as i put the team ahead of any one player. its just that what goaltender is out there that we can realistically get? maybe we could work out a trade where both teams wins but those are semi rare when it involves big name players.

 

[BJhunter]

pretty much every goaltender in the league as had a bad playoff series. from roy to brodeur( he did let in 2 goals in game 7 in the course of a minute) i like loungo as a goaltender and if trading him makes the team better then i am all for it, as i put the team ahead of any one player. its just that what goaltender is out there that we can realistically get? maybe we could work out a trade where both teams wins but those are semi rare when it involves big name players.

Hey, I'm a Luongo fan, believe it or not; but not at $7 million for a declining cap next season, plus heaven forbid, if Gillis re-signs the Swedish Sissies.

In this era of NHL, u don't need a superstar goalie, unless you're a hasek or Roy who know how to perform under pressure in the playoffs or when it counts. Sorry if Luongo doesn't inspire confidence for the past 3 years, he's had plenty of chances to prove it. when u give up that crappy OT goal, a la cloutier vs Lidstrom, and this yr's Game 6 meltdown, no matter what Trackie says, he sucks (not Trackie ;( )

Look at the remaining 4 teams now; any big name goalie that they really need? Luongo would beg on his knees to be in Osgood's crease right now Probably even adjust his joc strap when Chris tells him to....

so, is it clear to CHs about whether he's needed or not?