Three Strikes

[Cock Throppled]

Okay - the Conservatives are planning "three strikes and you're gone" legislation for violent offenders. Necessary? Unnecessary? Do you think it will help reduce crime? Does it even have a chance of passing in Commons or Senate? Personally I don't see why anyone should get three chances to be commit violent acts on others. The ironic thing is these same Conservatives have repeatedly stopped new animal cruelty legislation. Guess it's okay of you drag a dog behind your pick-up, but not a person. At least not more than twice.

 

[Miss Laura Lea]

Okay - the Conservatives are planning "three strikes and you're gone" legislation for violent offenders. Necessary? Unnecessary? Do you think it will help reduce crime? Does it even have a chance of passing in Commons or Senate? Personally I don't see why anyone should get three chances to be commit violent acts on others. The nironic thing is these same Conservatives have repeatedly stopped new animal cruelty legislation. Guess it's okay of you drag a dog behind your pick-up, but not a person. At least not more than twice.

Do you mean gone to jail? or gone to jail for life like the states?
I think the 3 strike rule in the states is terrible and hope to god it never comes here...



edit: holy! opened a can of worms there for sure! I dont have the time or energy to get into a massive debate lately though. I'll leave it as my opinion coming from a criminology/restoritive justice/personal position... and I was talking about the 3 strike rule in GENERAL.. I don't support violent reoffenders who have been given opportunity and support to change. Sorry if i made it sound like I want violent offenders released after reoffending multiple times.

 

[Hardatwork]

I think that it would be the start to much needed reform to our justice system. I think that the judges are too lenient so having a law that takes the decision away from the judges is a step in the right direction. To me it looks like the police are doing their job, but it's the judges letting the system down.

Maybe they could include something for repeat offenders in general, not just the violent offenders. Look at the car thieves in the Lower Mainland who get busted, go to trial, get out with a warning and then get caught stealing a car later that day only to repeat that process day after day.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Do you mean gone to jail? or gone to jail for life like the states?
I think the 3 strike rule in the states is terrible and hope to god it never comes here...

It was announced the offender would go to prison for "an indeterminate" amount of time.

Why do you consider it so terrible?

 

[gravitas]

I think the 3 strike rule in the states is terrible and hope to god it never comes here...

What the fuck? People aren't going to get locked up for three parking tickets or three summary convictions, the intent is to take loathsome scum like peter whitmore who've shown a constant threat of recidivism. We have far too many assholes who can slip through the cracks of our joke of a justice system and yes this is a GREAT start.

I think that the judges are too lenient so having a law that takes the decision away from the judges is a step in the right direction. To me it looks like the police are doing their job, but it's the judges letting the system down.

Our judiciary is completely out of control and we have absolutely no means to provide a check or balance of their actions. I wouldn't go so far as to suggest they need to be elected but surely there should be some mechanism to validate that their decisions are in line with the expectations of society and not just vocal special interest groups.

Maybe they could include something for repeat offenders in general, not just the violent offenders. Look at the car thieves in the Lower Mainland who get busted, go to trial, get out with a warning and then get caught stealing a car later that day only to repeat that process day after day.

No kidding. You go to a site like baitcar.com and its clear that our current system of providing nothing more then a slap on the wrist isn't working.


Even if this doesn't pass through the House of Commons or the Senate a good start would to criminals actually serve the majority of their sentence and none of this happy horse shit where some fuck up is out after 1/3 time.

 

[shapeshifter]

Do you mean gone to jail? or gone to jail for life like the states?
I think the 3 strike rule in the states is terrible and hope to god it never comes here...

holy crap!

You're kidding right?

Okay how about this, let's buy them all a nice house next door to you!

 

[FuZzYknUckLeS]

Fuck that noise.
Bring in 'single bullet to the head' legislation!

 

[sirlickheralot]

Do you mean gone to jail? or gone to jail for life like the states?
I think the 3 strike rule in the states is terrible and hope to god it never comes here...

No, the 3 strikes in the US is ridiculous, it applies to all felony convictions, therefore they end up sending people to prison for 25years to life for property and drug offenses. Only about 40% of the 3rd strike lifers in the US are actually violent offenders, most of the rest committed property or drug offenses.

The Canadian law would apply to offenders with 3 violent offenses. Even if the offender does have 3 strikes under this law they won't necessarily get life sentences, but the onus will be on the offender to prove they aren't a dangerous offender. Someone that is out of control enough to commit 3 violent crimes is a danger to society and doesn't deserve to be on the streets.

 

[westwoody]

The proposal is that there should be a minimum seven years served before applying for parole. I agree with it, as there have been several murders in Winnipeg where the killer has served less than two years, even with a history of violence. Maybe the threat of prison is not a deterrent, but the fact is that if they are in prison, they won't be killing people walking down the street.

Part of the problem is the tendency of the Crown to bargain down murders to manslaughter in exchange for a guilty plea.

 

[souljacker]

The 3 strikes legislation as it is in the US sucks donkey balls. Applying it to 3 violent crimes instead of just 3 felonies might work... But it's not neccessary in any case. What is neccessary is to increase sentances across the board. I'm sick of reading about cases where somebody was killed and the person responsible is out walking the streets again within a couple of years.

 

[festealth]

locking them in prison and let them watct HDtv with fine dining for the rest of their lives? no way! i'm expect nothing short of forced labour i know plenty of roads that need repairs and having a group of chained convicts fixing the streets doesn't sound like a bad idea to me

 

[Deep diver]

I have a co-irker who just finished jury duty for two yoyos who beat a guy into a coma and almost croaked, they have been prosecuted more than once and both fools are in their twenties.

So what does society do with perps, locking them up for a long time will cost big bucks, think your taxes and it doesn't instill an attitude adjustment.

So a balance has to be found between the cost of criminals going through the revolving door vis a vis locking them up and throwing away the key.

I have another co-irker who did a tour out at Ken max security prison as part of a prison guard recruitment, the long term criminal don't give two shits about themselves and most are HIV positive or have other wonderful bugs (hep ect) They routinely throw piss and shit at the guards get tossed into solitary, get out and do it again, Kent is a total zoo and the guards are robots.

Regardless someone in society suffers because of hard core criminals, either the general public or the keeper of the prisons.

What the hell do we do with these criminals, build a huge prison up in Inuvik and ship the worst offender up there to freeze or get them to build roads in Afghanistan? Maybe caning like they do in Singapore would be a good deterrant, split their ass cheeks open, stitch them up, heal and do it again until a happy-happy joy-joy attitude appears.

 

[shapeshifter]

I've been to jail and I think a 3 strikes rule for violent offenders is okay. If the crime is with violence ie any guns, rape, murder I see no problem stuffing the person away for life. Since Canada doesn't have capital punishment we need a real life sentence. None of this crap with getting 15 years and being eligible for parole in 5-7.
Only a few States are 3 strikes for any felony and you're gone. Washington State is 3 violent class A felonies, California is any 3 felonies. The first guy to get the 3 strikes sentence stole a piece of pizza for his third strike. That is crap!

There is always a knee jerk case that the liberals will point to and scream "he stole a piece of pizza!"

How many are like Richard Allen Davis? and were out on the streets far too long because of screaming liberals protecting them from everything and anything that might get their diapers in a knot or inconveneince the assholes in the slightest?

I guess I would like to see us start erring on the side of victims and to hell with the bastards like Paul Bernardo and their RIGHTS!

If its not your fucking pizza, hands OFF!

 

[georgebushmoron]

Canada's justice system:

Strike 1: Welcome Back!
Strike 2: It's time for a little time-out, eh.
Strike 3: Seems you have a little problem. How 'bout we put you through some free schooling and free professional counselling?

 

[necko]

holy crap!

You're kidding right?

Okay how about this, let's buy them all a nice house next door to you!

I agree with Ms Lauria Lee. We don't this right wing kinda shit in Canada, just how many prisons are we going to build, this type of sentencing doesnot deter crime if it did I behind shapeshifer, but it doesn't end of story

 

[shapeshifter]

I agree with Ms Lauria Lee. We don't this right wing kinda shit in Canada, just how many prisons are we going to build, this type of sentencing doesnot deter crime if it did I behind shapeshifer, but it doesn't end of story

It's all good necko, opinions are like assholes, everyones got one including me.

Some are constipated and some pour shit non-stop like a firehose

There are studies that point both ways, depending on who is doing the research, what a shock!

I prefer to err on the side of victims and innocent public, if that means that a guy who is stealing pizza and its his 3rd fuck-up has to suffer, too bad, so sad, next!
I stole a pack of bubblegum from the corner store when i was 10 and got caught, that brought my life of crime to a screeching halt!
I didnt need 2,3,4,5,6, strikes to get the point that the gum wasnt mine and i needed to keep my sticky little fingers to myself.

 

[dirtydan]

Okay - the Conservatives are planning "three strikes and you're gone" legislation for violent offenders. Necessary? Unnecessary? Do you think it will help reduce crime? Does it even have a chance of passing in Commons or Senate? Personally I don't see why anyone should get three chances to be commit violent acts on others. The ironic thing is these same Conservatives have repeatedly stopped new animal cruelty legislation. Guess it's okay of you drag a dog behind your pick-up, but not a person. At least not more than twice.

In the US states that have or had a three strikes law they quickly found that prison populations exploded. In the end the idea proved to be something that pushed political hot buttons, sounded good, but once reality set in it was all a bad idea.

Will it reduce crime? No. At least that's what was found in the US over the long run.

Could get passed in the H of C and Senate? Likely not in the present minority parliament. The Tories are coming forward with ideas that are really setting the stage for the next federal election (strongly suspected to be next spring). So they want to position themselves in the best way possible to win a majority. A H of C that defeats a three strikes bill would give the Tories the opportunity to ignore reality and scream blue murder that all of the other parties are soft on crime.

Even with a minority I find the Tories to be scary enough, I hate to see what would become of Canada if Harper's real agenda of pandering to the far right was imposed on the country with a parliamentary majority.

 

[Damaged]

I think the key is forced labour camps and longer sentences. I'm fine with the 3 strike rule for violent crime. I'm curious, question for the people who think that the 3 strike rule isn't fair, how many chances do you think a violent person should get?
When locked up for life you should be forced to work, build roads, dig ditches, how about build more prisons. If you try and escape then I think you should be shot on site.

 

[no3]

I may be offsides here, but how many "second chances" are we gonna give people (especially those who don't value the life of another individual)? And if all the criminals are locked up...who exactly would be doing the crimes??

 

[Cock Throppled]

I agree with Ms Lauria Lee. We don't this right wing kinda shit in Canada, just how many prisons are we going to build, this type of sentencing doesnot deter crime if it did I behind shapeshifer, but it doesn't end of story

And your solution is...?