This was posted on CL, what you think?

[sugarda]

Fair Pricing Jan 1 7007 - w4m
Reply to: pers-252330454@craigslist.org
Date: 2006-12-21, 10:53PM

Thanks guys the message is gettin out most of you have heard what we are trying to do, I've read many emails and suggestions and am thankful for your support however the idea and goal is simple and should remain that way. 150 per hour is fair and reasonable as countless numbers point out a mere 2 customers per day is 300 tax-free a day for 2 hours work. Ok guys now comes the hard part you all say your in agreement lets enact it, yes we have the ability yes you may have to go without for awhile as the adjustment takes place, but have faith and remain strong and it will work.
Say "NO" to anything over 150 if they try and upsell walk out if they threaten your privacy let us know likewise if they are accepting the fair pricing act let us know. And finally I'm sure this post will be quickly "flagged" I suggest emailing it to any alaises and boards your memebers of get the word organize our group and make this happen.

January 1 2007 is the start to a new year and era for the men of Vancouver for this marks the day we stop allowing ourselves to be taken advantage of.

Your not alone but you are important I have received messages from over 200 men in a week supporting this so dont let us down....

Mark the date and spread the word

 

[ace85]

Great review! Keep 'em coming.

Ah the great socialist state of British Columbia.

People determining for others what is a "good living", and an acceptable hourly wage.

What do you want to bet that the guy who posted that on CL is 40 pounds over weight and balding with a BO issue and other hygine problems.

Now he is trying to tell hot SPs what they can charge.

That is just funny. I want to increase my value by suggesting everone else refuse to pay more than I am willing to pay.

The best way to increase value is pick a regular and see her regularly, then make her a standing offer. Most likely you can get to a value compromise when she gets the benefit of your loyalty etc etc.

I am sorry, but this is just pathetic.

It is really not that different that expecting everyone to drive the same car becasue you can't afford more than a Dodge Neon.

The CL poster is officially a loser.

 

[electraviolet]

Different strokes for different folks?

Firstly, I want to say this is just food for thought, not an argument, and meant with no disrespect. Please don't get mad at me... I'm simply trying to give a point of view from the other side of the coin, although I can certainley understand it from the perspective of you gentlemen, as well. Think of me as the Larry Flint of SP's, exercising my right to freedom of speech. LOL.

I think the reason that some of us do charge more, may be that for us to justify giving away that little piece of ourselves, we need to ask a higher price. I don't think I could give the men I see the same service that I do if I were doing more than one call a day, and as a part timer trying to pursue a music and writing career and doing this as an income supplement, but also a hobby, I perhaps put a greater value on my time than those women who find themselves able to see multiple men in a day, multiple days a week. More power to them, and I'm glad they are there for the guys who just want to get off affordably. Some want a little more than that, and that's where we come in.

When I say I give a little piece of myself, I don't mean in a tragic sense... I mean in a good way. I mean that when I see a man, all the focus is on him. All the energy I have to give is summoned to make this man feel like a king... to feel wanted and enjoyed by a woman who oozes sensuality. This is something I cannot fake, and wouldn't want to, which is why I am very selective with whose offers I accept, taking fewer clients, but asking a higher price from those I do.

I haven't been doing this for long, so again, my input may not be fully informed. However, so far, because of approaching it the way I have, I have enjoyed every single date I've had. I love sex, and it's one of the things I'm best at, so it's nice to be able to pay the rent this way. And I earn what I ask for. I even like to exchange emails with guys first, get a feel for them, sometimes they even send me a picture, which I appreciate. I really enjoy tantalizing them with hot messages in the days before we get together, and they love it, too. It makes for even hotter sex and chemistry when we get together, and it gives them something to keep them HARD at work!!!

I'm not out to rip you guys off... I want to give you an experience that is more like skipping to the end of a really hot date... natural and relaxed and hot hot hot. Fun. I like to make a sincere connection so the sex is really electric, and I only do a couple of dates a week, maximum, so I can keep it real and not become jaded and faded.

The thing is, from a female point of view, at least this female's, it's a scarey business to be in. Fun for sure, but dangerous. I don't know what I'm walking into when I go to a guy's place. Plus men are stronger than women. So when I think about what I'm risking (of course, you men take risks, too, I know)... and when I think about how much of myself I give in a session... and when I think about what a great blowjob I give, uncovered because it makes me wetter that way, even if it is a tiny bit risky... I think I'm worth what I ask for, and wait patiently for those who agree.

I think there's room for all of us, just different people looking for different things, and trying to find other people out there to connect with, who are the right fit.

Peace.

Different strokes for different folks?

 

[jimbo2006]

I am sorry, but this is just pathetic.

It is really not that different that expecting everyone to drive the same car becasue you can't afford more than a Dodge Neon.

The CL poster is officially a loser.

I was thinking the same thing even though I'd say a large % of the reviews here are on AMPs and micros anyway, which might also be reflective of the general trend out there. So yeah, not sure how much of an effect, if any, this proposition would have at least in the world of Perb. Although I must say that reviews have been way down the past week or so, but I digress Anyone else notice?

For every girl who does 10 guys a day at a micro, there's a "mainstream" indy SP who can charge $$$ to $$$$ for the hour and maybe only see 1 or 2 (at most) clients a day. I have no idea how the revenue split works at a micro, but perhaps both SPs receive similar take home amounts in this example? That said there'll always be guys who'll happily pay the higher price to the indy provider for the perceived exclusivity as a primary motivational factor. I'm sure there are other reasons. On the flip side, there'll always be a healthy pile of shoes during peak hours at the popular micros too..kind of an easy way to gauge business ain't it?

Could it be that this person on CL is putting forth a sort of counter-attack to the recent AMP busts???

 

[Juggy]

This FFC guy is most certainly a pimp. He's trying to get rid of the higher class girls by boycotting them, driving them from Vancouver to greener pastures, just so "his" girls can reap the benefits of the high price structure already created by quality escorts. Follow that fool, and quality will go down, and price will stay the same.

 

[TheGuy]

I don't think this guy is a pimp I think he is an hourly worker who does not understand business.

Anyone who has there own business understand the costs. Does he think that a girl can just post a free ad on craigslist and book two guys back to back everyday. Doesn't work that way.

The girls who do this for a living are paying up to

$500/month for ads or more
$1000/month for incall location
$300/month for hair, nails, clothes, makeup, etc
$100/ for cell phone

Theyt spend hours every day taking to morons on the phone. Have to deal with no shows.

At the end of the day they have to smile and moan for a 75 year old guy with false teeth on viagra, and all kinds of other disgusting people. Frankly i just have to imagine all the ugly bodies I have seen at the gym to realize what these girls have to put up with. They earn their money.

FFC, there are options fror guys who don't want to spend $$$ hatrick finds these deals everyday on the street - not without effort on his part.

There are always people around that think everybody is ripping them off because they have no understanding of business.

Basically it is clear you have too much time on your hands! I would invite perb members to "flag" down your posts on craigslist!

Get a life!

 

[cruizing]

Holly smokes

Are you guys nutz?? Here is someone trying to do something for your benafit. Without consumer watch groups we would all be paying $20.00 a liter for gas!! By your definiton every customer is old fat and overweight with bad breath man what a low opinion you have of yourself Most of there customers are you and me average joes looking for some spice. Perhaps your happy to pay 300 bills an hour to a sp with lousy service retarded phone girls who constantly misses appointments, lest not mention bait and switch and upselling. I think the guy is right on have you ever looked at the prices in other cities, how come the girls of vancouer need to charge so much more.
Wether it be the better buisness beaure, Consumer Coperate Affairs or FFC I think he has a point and need I am tired off being riped off my hard earned cash!!
But hey just my humble opinion

 

[BLT]

What do you want to bet that the guy who posted that on CL is 40 pounds over weight and balding with a BO issue and other hygine problems.

Now he is trying to tell hot SPs what they can charge.

That is just funny. I want to increase my value by suggesting everone else refuse to pay more than I am willing to pay.

The best way to increase value is pick a regular and see her regularly, then make her a standing offer. Most likely you can get to a value compromise when she gets the benefit of your loyalty etc etc.

I am sorry, but this is just pathetic.

I agree, this is just insane.

 

[littlejimbigher]

If you think the girl is asking too much just politely say "I'm sorry but thats out of my price range. Thankyou for answering. Goodby." Thats what I did on Wednesday as I was trying to find an SP that nite. You don't have to be rude or anything because the girls can ask what ever the want but I know my budget. One SP I had this summer was available but added $50 to her former rate for GFE. Put her out of my budget unless I wanted to cut back on the number of times I visit girls each month. I chose quantity and quality.

 

[Damaged]

...The girls who do this for a living are paying up to

$500/month for ads or more
$1000/month for incall location
$300/month for hair, nails, clothes, makeup, etc
$100/ for cell phone

...

Many SP's live at their incall location. As a customer I have cell phone expenses, Business clothes I have to purchase, parking expenses downtown, higher insurance to drive to work, etc. and I have to pay taxes all the while making far less that $300-$400 per hour!
Now don't take my post wrong. I think that the market should set prices and there is room for the $300-$400 per hour SP but I get tired of guys saying how rough the SP's have it and that they are worth the money they are asking. Personally I'd like to see rates in Vancouver the same as is usual in Victoria.

 

[Horse99]

Price is what you pay, value is what you get....and they aren't the same thing...

 

[ace85]

Damaged, first off I won't feel sorry for true indy SPs that have chosen this profession or hobby or income supplement or how ever they want to call it.

I don't know that they have it rough or not. I do though think about what they are selling and the challenges that go with it.

Simply think of the least attractive woman you know say 15 years older than you. Now she is going to give you say $150. Now you have to fuckher, and now she wants you to go down on her. Hey that $150 per hour is great, especially becasue it is tax free.

OK now it has been 2 hours and your next appointment is at the door, oh great, she looks worse than the last one and 40 lbs heavier, well lucky for you you won't have to get it up this time, all this one want is you to go down on her for the full session.

Some people need a little perspective. Considering what you are buying, there is obviously a huge premium that has to be paid.

What are her choices. You show up to her door and you are unattractive to her so she sends you away. How many guys are going to take the shot of trying out at the SPs door to see if they are worthy of her time. You want access for your $$$ you expect it. Now you want the same mileage as the last guy, becasue he posted on PERB and you figure you are entitled, except she thought he was the hottest client she had seen in a year, and he was generous and smart and funny and he turned her on.

You are trying to buy a Guarantee for your $$$ but now you think you are entitled to tell her what a fair living is worth.

Come on.

i am not suggesting you pay what ever she asks or allow yourself to be upsold, I am just saying trying to control pricing is stupid, the best SPs treat the donation as a facilitaor for adult interaction, and have an ability to make it something other than only about the money. I realize that with out the money the session doesn't happen, but there is something else there too.

The free market demands that consumers have common sense. You can read reviews on here everyday about pooners that have none. The price fixing effort is to protect those who have none.

Hatrick is a perfect example of a bright pooner who has control. He goes looking for deals, pays more if he finds great value, limits expectations with sketchy SPs and best of all just cuts and runs when he finds a WOT. You don't hear him complaining, you actually hear him saying he paid so and so a bit extra becasue she was so good and Throbber liked her a lot. He has a clue.

Now I have no clue as to the hotness of any of the girls he sees, but he is happy with his role in this situation.

At the top end, you don't read many bad reviews about Vivienne or VV or some of the other elite top shelf girls, probably because the majority of the clueless pooners don't have the guts confidence or bankroll to spend on sessions with these girls.

The search for the perfect $150 session is by guys who would likely never tip even for a great session, look to push the limits on mileage with the SPs they see, and want some sort of guarantee when they try someone new. It is almost as if they are looking to minimize wasted funds in the case that they use bad judgement.

Darwinism handles guys like this.

 

[Damaged]

Damaged, first off I won't feel sorry for true indy SPs that have chosen this profession or hobby or income supplement or how ever they want to call it.

I don't know that they have it rough or not. I do though think about what they are selling and the challenges that go with it.

Simply think of the least attractive woman you know say 15 years older than you. Now she is going to give you say $150. Now you have to fuckher, and now she wants you to go down on her. Hey that $150 per hour is great, especially becasue it is tax free.

OK now it has been 2 hours and your next appointment is at the door, oh great, she looks worse than the last one and 40 lbs heavier, well lucky for you you won't have to get it up this time, all this one want is you to go down on her for the full session.

Some people need a little perspective.

You must be really ugly Ace85. It's pretty simple, refuse to service them. Nobody is holding a gun to their head to service the "Least attractive clients" as you put it. Do you think that all of their clients are ugly?

No where did i say that there wasn't a place for $400 hookers, I said that overall too many charge too much for too little service and I'd like to see rates like Victoria consistantly has.

Free market is fine. If this wacko actually suceeds in changing the rates then free market has spoken. Why do you care so much that the rates stay high? Are you worried some fat guy with less money will bang your regular?

 

[ace85]

What kind of pounding do you think they would take on perb if they started turning away clients like you at the door Damaged. It would make their business impossible.

As for UGLY, yes I am hideous, you can even ask Jamie Lane if you want or Mellissa in Edmonton, or Vienna or about 40 others. For an ugly guy I do all right.

 

[ihatemyskirt]

The ffc captain is invited to my place for a freebee!!

 

[jimbo2006]

The search for the perfect $150 session is by guys who would likely never tip even for a great session, look to push the limits on mileage with the SPs they see, and want some sort of guarantee when they try someone new. It is almost as if they are looking to minimize wasted funds in the case that they use bad judgement

You're entitled to your opinion. Here's an analogy: Most of the guys on here drive their Toyota camrys or Honda accords to and fro and fill it up with 87 or 89 octane. They see their $150 SPs (and there are still plenty of good options left) on a regular basis and many times they can't wait to get on Perb to share their latest experience or read about the latest discovery to be unveiled.

You're the dude barely making the monthly lease payments on your used Escalade, but its been a month since its budged an inch. You can only afford partial insurance coverage and a tank of gas every 2 mos or so. Luckily it only takes you 1/2 hr to walk to work, but sometimes you spoil yourself by taking public transit, but careful you don't get caught with only a 1 zoner otherwise thats a $200 fine that'll decimate your pooning budget for the next few months

 

[ace85]

So you are saying I am right then.

Thanks. Or are you suggesting I am a poser?

 

[Damaged]

So you are saying I am right then.

Thanks. Or are you suggesting I am a poser?

Poser.......

 

[cruizing]

Ffc

Your all missing the point... How many guys here make 150 p/hr after taxes? thats is what I thought, in your dreams you make 300 p/hr....... So why is it unreasonalbe to expect a fair price?? I'm not talking milage value etc... A base price of 150 P/hr.... Geeesssee after all we are only renting it not buying it, what difference does it make how much I earn or dont it's established that we are not making that kinda money! Your worried that all the Jems will move away blahhh where are they going to go there is no-where else they can go and do this for the coin they wawnt but here.. You wander why they are all freaking cause they know they have ripped you off and are continaully doing it. I do not buy the krap that you give a piece of yourself to every customer be honest 20 minuets you can't remmeber what he looked like and don't care you mind is busy spending the money you got...
Guys give your head a shake this is a good thing for once in your miserable lives stand up and be counted.

 

[Juggy]

Your all missing the point... How many guys here make 150 p/hr after taxes? thats is what I thought, in your dreams you make 300 p/hr....... So why is it unreasonalbe to expect a fair price?? I'm not talking milage value etc... A base price of 150 P/hr.... Geeesssee after all we are only renting it not buying it, what difference does it make how much I earn or dont it's established that we are not making that kinda money! Your worried that all the Jems will move away blahhh where are they going to go there is no-where else they can go and do this for the coin they wawnt but here.. You wander why they are all freaking cause they know they have ripped you off and are continaully doing it. I do not buy the krap that you give a piece of yourself to every customer be honest 20 minuets you can't remmeber what he looked like and don't care you mind is busy spending the money you got...
Guys give your head a shake this is a good thing for once in your miserable lives stand up and be counted.

Standing, counting money, going to go visit FFC's mom and give her three blues for a bbbj.