The Truth about breast feeding?

[Sonny]

Uh.. ya.. that's what I thought you said, and I strongly disagreed with it.

breastfeeding is A LOT more convenient than bottle feeding.

Your description of the nighttime routine is highly exaggerated but it does happen sometimes that way. Many women find that having the husband do some of the work is very convenient. There is a particular convenience with the bottle, and outside the home it affords a modesty which some women favour. Oops, maybe a little morality here?

At the same time, breastfeeding is convenient as well. It requires no special equipment, other than the proper clothing for outside the house occasions. It can be done anytime, anywhere. But for some women the inconvenience is a perception of the public display. Oops, there's that pesky moral issue again.

My point, perhaps not well put, really was that there is a general perceived notion that bottlefeeding is more convenient. I actually agree with you that breastfeeding is more convenient and that the general notion is incorrect.

 

[Sonny]

the risk to the babies is MUCH higher from formula made with unclean water in those countries than it is from breastfeeding from a malnourished mother. Evolutionarily speaking one of the major advantages of breastfeeding is protection from germs and parasites until the immune system is developed enough and the body is strong enough to deal with them.

We agree on this one. The unclean water thing was already posted. My example was one in which NGOs working in 3rd world countries help secure safe water to make the formula - not that there is enough being done to improve overall situations in 3rd world.

 

[Sonny]

And last time I checked, breasts aren't sinful, they inspire sinful thoughts if they are exposed to public view

Yep! Sex is definitely sinful, and thank God for that!

 

[Sonny]

By the way, with breastfeeding, women have the option of pumping and freezing the milk and then letting hubbie get up in the night to bottle feed breastmilk, just don't do it before about the 2nd month or so, so the baby has time to get good at breastfeeding first.

My wife always preferred to breastfeed our second child directly, with no thought of time of day or night, sleep or no sleep, at home or in public. The pump was used only to express milk buildup when the little guy wasn't hungry.

 

[metoo113]

No.. the advantages of breastfeeding over formula aren't related to nutrition at all.

If anything, in many cases the formula provides more nutrition than breastmilk does and that is sometimes an advantage of formula over breastfeeding (in some cases).

According to the FDA, the AMA, ADA and the World Health organization "Breast milk is the ideal form of nutrition for newborns" I agree that their are other reasons to breast feed but nutrition is really one of them.


"Breast milk contains more than 100 ingredients that the formula industry simply can't duplicate. For example, breast milk is full of antibodies that protect babies from illness and help them develop their own immune systems. Some other key differences between the ingredients in breast milk and formula include the following:

Formula has a higher protein content than human milk. However, the protein in breast milk is more easily and completely digested by babies.
Breast milk has a higher carbohydrate content than formula and has large amounts of lactose, a sugar found in lower amounts in cow's milk. Research shows that animals whose milk contains higher amounts of lactose experience larger brain development.
Minerals such as iron are present in lower quantities in breast milk than in formula. However, the minerals in breast milk are more completely absorbed by the baby. In formula-fed babies, the unabsorbed portions of minerals can change the balance of bacteria in the gut, which gives harmful bacteria a chance to grow. This is one reason why bottle-fed babies generally have harder and more odorous stools than breastfed babies."

 

[jjinvan]

This recent article has some interesting data with respect to current formulas and breastmilk and nutrition.

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/85/2/635S

keep in mind that there are MANY other reasons that breastmilk is generally better than formula, and I'm not saying that it isn't.

 

[metoo113]

Antibodies have nothing to do with 'nutrition'.

Formula isn't cow's milk and many modern formulas aren't based on cow's milk at all.

A lot of the other information you quote is considerably out of date.

Currently, one of the reasons to go with formula instead of breastmilk in some cases, is when the baby requires a higher than normal intake of some nutrient(s).

You are also completely ignoring the fibre (digestible and indigestible) differences which are the main reasons (but not the only ones) for the difference in stools.

"Antibodies have nothing to do with 'nutrition'."

Yes I know that antibodies have nothing to do with nutrition. It was just part of the quote I included.

"Formula isn't cow's milk and many modern formulas aren't based on cow's milk at all."

A quick scan of formula's shows that the majority of them do contain cows milk. There are some soy based ones and some with goats milk as well but cows milk is the major one.


"You are also completely ignoring the fibre (digestible and indigestible) differences which are the main reasons (but not the only ones) for the difference in stools."


The main difference in the stools is caused by the fact that breast milk is easier digested then formula, which is included in the quote.


"A lot of the other information you quote is considerably out of date."

Which information that I quoted is out of date?

 

[aznboi9]

Here's another study dealing with some of the newer more advanced formulas and comparing them to breastmilk in longer term trials:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e...med.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus

I'm if that can be considered a longer term trial. From what I can tell, the breast-fed baby's were only exclusively fed breast milk for a period of 3 months. After that they could have been breast-fed or given formula.

 

[Naughty Nadia]

Convenience?

Hmmmm....I found bottle feeding very convenient.

1) Sterilized bottle/nipples and water ready in the bedroom. Room temperature water is fine! My daughter never had ANY problem with it.
Get up, put in a scoop of formula and shake. Presto, took 30 seconds.

2) Mommy gets more sleep as you can trade off feeding and changing. 3 hours sleep at a time instead of an hour and a half. A less sleepy deprived Mom is a more functional mom.

3) Bottle fed babies need to be fed less often. When we went to our postpartum class "meetup" when the babies were 6-8 weeks old, my daughter only ate about every 4 hours, as opposed to an hour and half for most of the breastfed babies. Boy were some of those Mom's envious!

4) When babies go through growth spurts, they want to breastfeed much more until the milk production increases enough. They can go from every 3 hours to every hour or even half hour in some cases. When my daughter had a growth spurt, just make more formula in the bottle. Problem solved.

Keep in mind I'm someone who wanted to breastfeed but couldn't, I'm just pointing out some of the "conveniences" I experienced.

 

[georgebushmoron]

Hmmmm....I found bottle feeding very convenient.

1) Sterilized bottle/nipples and water ready in the bedroom. Room temperature water is fine! My daughter never had ANY problem with it.
Get up, put in a scoop of formula and shake. Presto, took 30 seconds.

2) Mommy gets more sleep as you can trade off feeding and changing. 3 hours sleep at a time instead of an hour and a half. A less sleepy deprived Mom is a more functional mom.

3) Bottle fed babies need to be fed less often. When we went to our postpartum class "meetup" when the babies were 6-8 weeks old, my daughter only ate about every 4 hours, as opposed to an hour and half for most of the breastfed babies. Boy were some of those Mom's envious!

4) When babies go through growth spurts, they want to breastfeed much more until the milk production increases enough. They can go from every 3 hours to every hour or even half hour in some cases. When my daughter had a growth spurt, just make more formula in the bottle. Problem solved.

Keep in mind I'm someone who wanted to breastfeed but couldn't, I'm just pointing out some of the "conveniences" I experienced.

If you don't mind my asking, how old is your daughter now, and what has been her overall health?

 

[georgebushmoron]

Don't go down the path of looking at case studies instead of large populations.

As I said earlier, most kids will be fine either way, some kids are better off with breast than bottle and some are better off with bottle than breast.

Unfortunately, medicine isn't yet at the point of being able to pre-identify those who would be better off breastfed than bottlefed until it is too late.

It's sort of like BBFS. Suppose less than 1% of the population has HIV, and the transmission rate for F to M is 1%. That would mean that a random guy having unprotected sex with a random girl would have a 1 in 10,000 chance of catching HIV. The trick is that you never know if 'this one' is going to be that 1 in 10,000 and the consequences are pretty severe. I dont' want to start a BBFS/HIV debate, I'm just trying to put things into 'pooner perspective'.

Another way of looking at it would be playing russian roulette with a gun with many many chambers and only one bullet. If the hammer happens to land on the chamber with the bullet in it, you have a 100% chance of a bad outcome, otherwise you have a 0% chance of a bad outcome, the problem is that you don't know which one it's gonna be when you pull the trigger.

Funny how you chose the russian roulette analogy to bbfs and HIV! Might I say that is the exact same analogy I used in other posts when criticizing those who would engage in it. Nevertheless, I cringe at your stats, for it would certainly play into the hands of those who like to take the risk as surely they see it as far less risky than might have been estimated.

But I somehow don't think that breast milk would have been the elixir in those cases where an infant is later having health problems due to consuming formula. Or is that what you meant?

 

[Naughty Nadia]

If you don't mind my asking, how old is your daughter now, and what has been her overall health?

She is 5, and her overall health has been great. The odd ear infection, a mild case of chickenpox. She's getting really tall like her Mom.

 

[georgebushmoron]

She is 5, and her overall health has been great. The odd ear infection, a mild case of chickenpox. She's getting really tall like her Mom.

Case closed! One healthy beautiful 5 year old girl, reputedly to be as tall as Mama! Mama stays beautiful! The world is in order. Alles in Ordnung!

 

[jjinvan]

Case closed! One healthy beautiful 5 year old girl, reputedly to be as tall as Mama! Mama stays beautiful! The world is in order. Alles in Ordnung!

Hmm..

What about the example I have of a woman who had a kid and never breastfed at all and then a year later had pancake flat droopy saggy boobies and ended up getting a boob job because she was depressed by what happened to her previously perky B-cups?

Or the example of the girl who breastfed 2 kids for a total of about 8 years and 3 years later had the firmest tightest non-saggy pair of all natural 38DD boobies I've ever seen in my life.

I think the jury is still out on your theory, GBM...

 

[alyb]

JJinvan

you NEED to get a life. with all of your supposed wisdom you think you'd be out in the real world doing a little more than talking about breastfeeding on an escort board.

 

[jjinvan]

you NEED to get a life. with all of your supposed wisdom you think you'd be out in the real world doing a little more than talking about breastfeeding on an escort board.

Shouldn't you be busy peeing on someone?

(careful GBM, don't say anything or ropey will yell at you)

 

[alyb]

i dont pee when i ejaculate..

i dont pee when i ejaculate... but thanks for showing your character. (he's referring to another thread but doesnt have the social skills to answer decently...)

 

[jjinvan]

i dont pee when i ejaculate... but thanks for showing your character. (he's referring to another thread but doesnt have the social skills to answer decently...)

According to the article you yourself cited as a good source, yes you do.

But anyway...

It's not social skills I lack, it's patience with those who ignore reality and just keep beating on their drum of denial.

 

[alyb]

wow...

if THAT is how you summarize the article I posted...thats is a SERIOUS over-simplification.

again, just amazed by you, and unwilling to reply to anything you say from here on out. you're worse than a 2 year old, and argue with whatever you can throw out, for no good reason. i'm not here to debate you over what female ejaculatory fluid is. i'm a chick. i do it. hooray for me! end of story!

 

[Sweetiepie]

So I do wonder about the health benefits.But that is not my main area of interest (since I have no way to have kids anyway).
There is the contentious issue of breast sag. Your opinions please.

I apologize if I stereotyped you as someone who thought the breast shape would be as important to the new mother as it is to the ogling male. Or even stereotyping any ogling male. If you see the quote above you can see the sequence of language that fuelled that impression, as well there was the proportion of your argument devoted to breast appearance as opposed to other things. I misread it as "breast sag is contentious because the risk of breast sag is such a big factor in the decision." Not "contentious because its debatable how much of it really happens." I can see it was an insulting assumption and I'm sorry