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The Sex Trade From Bangkok to Berlin

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In Patpong, one of Bangkok's most notorious red-light districts, go-go girls count their livelihood by the number of sex tourists they entertain. "Three inches, three minutes, 3,000 baht ($87)," laughs Goy, a 25-year-old bargirl. Last summer, she and her fellow pole dancers at the Camelot Castle entertained scores of men every night — first in the bar, where they earn a monthly salary, then at the customer's hotel, where they negotiate their own rates. But as cash-strapped tourists have turned their backs on Thailand — tourism officials say revenues will plunge 35% this year — the ranks of men cruising Patpong have thinned dramatically. On a recent Wednesday evening, just three tourists watched a visibly disgruntled Goy wiggle around her pole. "My base salary was 8,000 baht ($232) a month, but now they are giving me 6,000 baht ($174)," she says. "I haven't had a customer in five nights, and I'm lucky if someone buys me a drink."

As the recession continues to bite, sex workers from Bangkok to Berlin share Goy's frustration. "People just don't spend that freely anymore," says Anke Christiansen, co-founder of Hamburg's Geizhaus ("Das Original Discount Bordell"), where visitor numbers have dropped up to 20% since the crisis began. "Customers who used to come to us two or three times a week now limit themselves to once a week." That newfound restraint has already forced some brothels to shut their doors. In the Czech Republic, where 14% of men admit to having slept with a prostitute, up to half of all sex establishments outside of Prague have closed in the past year, says Hana Malinova, director of Bliss Without Risk, a prostitution-outreach group in the capital. Others have simply reduced their workforce. "In villages where there used to be 10 girls, there are now two," she says. America's working girls have suffered too. The Mustang Ranch in Reno, Nev., recently laid off 30% of its staff after its highest-spending clients started staying away. (See 10 things to do in Las Vegas.)

The world's oldest profession isn't about to take the recession lying down. Brothels and bathhouses have launched promotions — including free shuttle buses, senior-citizen discounts and day passes — in a bid to arouse interest among wary spenders. "You have to offer better service these days and special packages," says Karin Ahrens, manager at Yes Sir! in Hanover, Germany, where revenues have fallen 30% since the recession hit the nation. As part of a new deal, customers there pay $111 to have as much sex as they want (or can) for one hour. At Geizhaus, recent promotions allowed guests to have sex for free on Halloween and Easter if they wore a costume or brought in a decorated egg. And Berlin's Pussy Club charges guests a $98 flat rate for six hours of unlimited sex, access to a sauna and solarium and an all-you-can-eat buffet. (See pictures of Berlin.)

Not everyone needs a gimmick to stimulate business. In the Netherlands, Jan Bik says the recession hasn't affected his nine brothels because they target the "common man"; clients pay as little as $42 for half an hour with a woman. And while many of his former customers have left, "people who would normally go to the expensive clubs are visiting us now, so it's evened out." Elsewhere, currency shifts have actually created opportunities for the sex trade. Ukraine's currency, the hryvnia, has lost about 40% of its value against the dollar and euro since the start of the crisis, a change that will further boost the country's growing tourism sector and thereby the number of visitors willing to pay for a thrill. "The country is becoming a paradise for sex tourism before our eyes," says Yuri Lutsenko, Ukraine's Interior Minister. Police experts forecast that the industry will more than double its revenues this year, generating $1.5 billion. And, says Anna Hutsol, head of a nongovernmental women's rights group called FEMEN, deepening unemployment will likely increase the exploitation of vulnerable women: "There are girls without jobs and foreigners with money who want prostitutes."

Back in Bangkok, the relative strength of foreign currencies isn't helping local businesses. The cost of traveling to Thailand from far-flung places like Australia and Japan offsets any gains from the exchange rate. Pong, the female manager of Bangkok's Babylon Sauna, Bed and Breakfast, knows that all too well, as her business depends on foreign revenue to stay afloat. Described as "the most stylish and lavish sauna ever seen" by online gay guide Pink Banana World, Babylon welcomed an average of 800 visitors per day before the recession hit. That number now hovers around 500. "The entrance fee is already low, so dropping it won't make a difference," Pong says. So what's a sauna manager to do? "Pray for us," is all she can say.
 

HeMadeMeDoIt

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I gotta get me to that German sex buffet place!!!
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No shit $98 for 6 hours? I have 350,000 points in my worldperks account. I only need 100k for a biz class return flight :D
 

InTheBum

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I really feel for them...

Sex workers have it so tough...the endless resumes and cover letters they send out...the bullshit interviews... no responses...no offers...

It's not easy putting an ad up on CL and waiting at home for your phone to ring 20 minutes later!

If this thread doesn't bring a tear to your eyes, then you simply aren't human!:D ;)
 

FortunateOne

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Sex workers have it so tough...the endless resumes and cover letters they send out...the bullshit interviews... no responses...no offers...

It's not easy putting an ad up on CL and waiting at home for your phone to ring 20 minutes later!

If this thread doesn't bring a tear to your eyes, then you simply aren't human!:D ;)
How about: paying for advertising (& having perb members insult the paid advertiser in their own thread), the endless emails they send out (to the guys who just have "one more" question X 20), bullshit callers wanking off during the conversation, no shows, fails to pay (or steals it back after leaving the donation). Easy enough to put up an ad on CL, may not be as pleasant as you would think weeding thru decent callers and dangerous ones (even if "dangerous" means some idiot who shows up and threatens a bad review unless they get what they want, or even a guy so contemptuous of women that they couldn't have a good time if they were the ones being paid lol.)
 

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How about: paying for advertising (& having perb members insult the paid advertiser in their own thread), the endless emails they send out (to the guys who just have "one more" question X 20), bullshit callers wanking off during the conversation, no shows, fails to pay (or steals it back after leaving the donation). Easy enough to put up an ad on CL, may not be as pleasant as you would think weeding thru decent callers and dangerous ones (even if "dangerous" means some idiot who shows up and threatens a bad review unless they get what they want, or even a guy so contemptuous of women that they couldn't have a good time if they were the ones being paid lol.)
Well said, and just in case anyone is wondering Miss FortunateOne is a beautiful woman who knows what she's talking about.

There is never much discussion on the emotional aspect of it. A friend and I were talking about this today, how hard this hobby can be on us. Men are alot more emotional and sensitive than we let on, it's unbelievable the highs and lows I go through and how addictive it can be. I can't imagine how hard it must be for the girls to keep feelings, fears, privacy and intimacy seperate. And the number of people they have to be generous with, I can hardly stand being close to more than 4 or 5 people, and they are my friends. I could never do it, not for moral reasons, it's just way too much effort.
 

InTheBum

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Put your ad and picture up on CL.....I'm guessin your phone will NEVER ring ;)
Why would I do that? I would just use fake pics like everyone else and let the suckers come a knockin!
:D
 

InTheBum

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How about: paying for advertising (& having perb members insult the paid advertiser in their own thread), the endless emails they send out (to the guys who just have "one more" question X 20), bullshit callers wanking off during the conversation, no shows, fails to pay (or steals it back after leaving the donation). Easy enough to put up an ad on CL, may not be as pleasant as you would think weeding thru decent callers and dangerous ones (even if "dangerous" means some idiot who shows up and threatens a bad review unless they get what they want, or even a guy so contemptuous of women that they couldn't have a good time if they were the ones being paid lol.)
Time for a career change! Or find some regulars and keep them with great service at a reasonable price...and I am not talking $250 hr down to $220...
 

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Berlin's Pussy Club charges guests a $98 flat rate for six hours of unlimited sex, access to a sauna and solarium and an all-you-can-eat buffet.
Wow!!! $98 for six hour , at the buffet. I would be too stuffed to take advantage of the other services.
 

FortunateOne

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Time for a career change! Or find some regulars and keep them with great service at a reasonable price...and I am not talking $250 hr down to $220...
You assume you know things when you haven't a clue, lol.

The post was a rebuttal to the assumption of many of how "easy" everything is. Like most work, 90% great and 10% not great. Like most clients 99% great and 1% jackasses. That's life in business, but assuming that sps are doing something wrong because they point out reality or that everything will be fixed if they lower rates, or whatever is just ridiculous. Sps with higher rates charge higher rates so they don't have to see as many people, and therefore reduce that 10% of not great experiences. Experienced sps may be able to charge lower rates because they can weed out the 10% more easily, just as experienced clients are able to see thru the advertising hype and choose sps wisely so that they too increase their success rates.

From your reviews, it is clear that you don't choose sps based solely on lower rates, and your experiences seem to be better than some who do. But also, as a reviewer and review board member, you are in the category of not-regular as far as sps are concerned. You visit once or twice and move on; you would have little experience with sps on how they conduct their business or treat their regulars unless you became one. Most sps have regulars, probably 75-80% of their clients are regular repeaters, some of them repeat several times a months over a period of years. Unless you become someone who does this, you can have no concept of where that can take you.
 

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I wished we lived in a world where this thread didn't have to exist.

Am I the only one who is never going to Bangkok to get fucked.....JC

Pick a disease any disease......

Have so much more, but everyone's gonna be pissed, but I'm glad I'm not everyone.....unbelievable.
 

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After 6 hours, I doubt you'd be able to do much for a few weeks... :D
No worries the "all you can eat buffet" will keep your energy up......:eek:
 

InTheBum

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I was thinking the same thing? The STD's must be rampent there. Most of these ladies grew up poor and have nothing. Scary to say the least I'd say. Almost like picking up a SW.
I would never stick my dick into any girl in Thailand. Yet, I really want to go just to see the absolute freak show...get lots of massages with covered BJs. Snorkel at the best beaches in the world...each tons of cheap yet great seafood...while you guys stay in Vancouver, and run around the seawall in Mid November...:D
 

InTheBum

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You assume you know things when you haven't a clue, lol.

The post was a rebuttal to the assumption of many of how "easy" everything is. Like most work, 90% great and 10% not great. Like most clients 99% great and 1% jackasses. That's life in business, but assuming that sps are doing something wrong because they point out reality or that everything will be fixed if they lower rates, or whatever is just ridiculous. Sps with higher rates charge higher rates so they don't have to see as many people, and therefore reduce that 10% of not great experiences. Experienced sps may be able to charge lower rates because they can weed out the 10% more easily, just as experienced clients are able to see thru the advertising hype and choose sps wisely so that they too increase their success rates.

From your reviews, it is clear that you don't choose sps based solely on lower rates, and your experiences seem to be better than some who do. But also, as a reviewer and review board member, you are in the category of not-regular as far as sps are concerned. You visit once or twice and move on; you would have little experience with sps on how they conduct their business or treat their regulars unless you became one. Most sps have regulars, probably 75-80% of their clients are regular repeaters, some of them repeat several times a months over a period of years. Unless you become someone who does this, you can have no concept of where that can take you.

Fair enough...I was just trying to be the devils advocate on this thread.

And yes, I rarely see a girl more than once, yet....many call me to come see them again. Personally, I found only once the quality of service increased dramatically from the first session. Usually, it's the same or it drops a bit...plus I want to put as many notches on my bedpost as I can in this hobby!!:D :D
 

FortunateOne

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..plus I want to put as many notches on my bedpost as I can in this hobby!!:D :D
There ya go! :D

There are those who make it a hobby, and those who don't. A true hobbiest is looking for the next encounter while setting up the present one lol.
 
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