The most fucked up thing I've seen all year

[island-guy]

Hmm this may actually be the most fucked up thing I've seen in my entire life, second only to the Ontario Legislature voting on the idea of bringing in Sharia Law in Ontario...

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/09/04/africentric-school.html

David "Governor Wallace" Miller must be smoking crack

This is so fucked up I can't even figure out where to begin!

 

[wet_suit_one]

I concur. Fucking stupid humans. They are all deserving of annihilation. Every last one of them. This planet should be purged.

Fuck, why can't people just "get it"? Is it really that fucking hard?

Christ, I'm just disgusted. If I had the power, woe to all that walks on two legs...

 

[happyguy003]

get real

Are you guys for real? Why all the hate? If this school gets kids to learn and have some pride in their heritage then what is wrong with that. There are many many black kids in Toronto that do not have a sense of belonging and live in utter poverty. If this school is able to keep these kids in school and out of gangs, then where is the problem. Yeah, yeah...tax payers money and all that, but think about how much tax payer money will be saved if these kids become productive membes of society instead of a drain on society for their entire lives.
my 2 cents

 

[Karl Blues]

Are you guys for real? Why all the hate? If this school gets kids to learn and have some pride in their heritage then what is wrong with that. There are many many black kids in Toronto that do not have a sense of belonging and live in utter poverty. If this school is able to keep these kids in school and out of gangs, then where is the problem. Yeah, yeah...tax payers money and all that, but think about how much tax payer money will be saved if these kids become productive membes of society instead of a drain on society for their entire lives.
my 2 cents

Exactly, happyguy. I see this as no different from French immersion. It's not segregation because you don't have to be of African heritage to attend the school.

Fact is, for the most part Cdn schools have been Eurocentric. Nothing wrong with learning about other heritages. Just opens up more opportunities.

My 2cents.

 

[happyguy003]

Sharia law is different...

I agree that Sharia is not appropriate in a country like Canada. If a religious practice is deemed agains human rights (as we see them) then it is not welcome here, but the article they were ranting about was about a school that teaches history so that the kids are proud of their heritage. They are two completely seperte discussions. School = yes. Sharia = NO!

 

[Karl Blues]

I am never opposed to the teaching of religious beliefs so long as they do not promote hate.

Though often when you really look at religious writings, they often DO promote racism, homophobia, inequality, violence..

I basically hate much of what organised religion has done to our world. The use of God to feed our self-righteous egos is blasphemy at it's finest.

xoxo
Nina

I agree with you re: orgainzed religion. However, the only reference there was to sharia law was by the OP. There is no connection between the school & sharia law in the linked article.

This is a school that teaches the same curriculum as other schools with additional teaching about African heritage.

It is important not to confuse the issue amid all the hysteria.

 

[wet_suit_one]

Notwithstanding my original rant, I am somewhat of two minds on the school. If it works and gets "African-Canadians" to stay in school, I'm all for it. However, I don't see that this "Africentric" school is necessary for such an outcome. Parents need merely tell their school - YOU WILL GRADUATE OR ELSE!!!! And that should do the trick?

Or am I completely off base? Also, why don't parents do some of their own work and teach their children something about their own history? The libraries, the Web, etc. are open and available to everyone, so WTF?

Nonetheless, I would annihilate all two legged creatures for their folly and stupidity. They deserve their destruction!

 

[island-guy]

Wow it amazes me how many people are totally missing the point of why this is such a fucked up idea.

Those saying that you don't have to be black to be a student at the school, go read some more, you do. In fact, they got rid of all the white teachers and other white staff at the school when they made the change as well.

If you are having a hard time seeing why this is a huge problem, ask yourself this:

If Stephen Harper had said that Canada was going to start having seperate schools for all the blacks, would you be ok with the idea? It is STILL THE SAME BAD IDEA even if it is a bunch of black people who are promoting it.

Contrary to what your instincts might tell you, a bad idea is always a bad idea no matter what the motivation for the idea was. If it is the same idea, the motivation behind it makes NO DIFFERENCE.

This school is going to turn into a political nightmare and I really feel sorry for any students whose parents are fucked up enough to subject their children to the resulting mess.

 

[island-guy]

Are you guys for real? Why all the hate? If this school gets kids to learn and have some pride in their heritage then what is wrong with that. There are many many black kids in Toronto that do not have a sense of belonging and live in utter poverty. If this school is able to keep these kids in school and out of gangs, then where is the problem. Yeah, yeah...tax payers money and all that, but think about how much tax payer money will be saved if these kids become productive membes of society instead of a drain on society for their entire lives.
my 2 cents

You are totally missing the point.

Segregating them is exactly the sort of thing that is going to lead to the problems you are talking about. If you are trying to foster a sense of belonging, you have to show the kids that they belong with all the other kids, not put them in their own seperate school away from all the other kids... geez...

 

[island-guy]

Here's some more reading on the subject, written by some very smart men a long time ago:

http://www.watson.org/~lisa/blackhistory/early-civilrights/brown.html

 

[aznboi9]

Those saying that you don't have to be black to be a student at the school, go read some more, you do. In fact, they got rid of all the white teachers and other white staff at the school when they made the change as well.

I suspect, as per your usual MO, you're just making stuff up again. As everything I've seen written on the subject says it's open to all students.

The TDSB defines an Afrocentric school as one which "uses the sources of knowledge and experiences of peoples of African descent as an integral feature of the teaching and learning environment." The school would be open to all students.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=272389

The Africentric School is open to all students, and parents will be responsible for transporting their children to the facility since the TDSB does not provide transportation for students attending its alternative schools.

http://www.sharenews.com/node/581

Supporters say the curriculum -- which would be open to all students - could help reduce the high drop-out rate among black students in the city.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090108/africentric_school_090108/20090108/Defying%20Gravity

 

[island-guy]

If you go back and link to what they were saying in JANUARY of this year, yep, that was what they were saying then

But, as usual you are digging as deeply as you have to to find things that seem to support your idea, and ignoring the more recent articles which show you to be incorrect.

http://www.thestar.com/article/690430

85 students, none white (all black and biracial)

5 teachers, none white

1 Principal, black

So back last January they said "No, it isn't segregation, we'll take white students too"

But, the reality is, there are no white students to be found now that the school is actually opening.

If you read your history you will also find that in the USA with segregation they did not have "blacks only" drinking fountains, schools or seats at the back of the bus. Everything was open to whites then too.

But, I'm sure that you'll just keep arguing for the sake of arguing, completely missing the point and not really caring that you don't really have a clue how badly this is going to turn out. You'll feel like Mr Big because you'll convince yourself that you are right and then you'll move on and forget all about this and later, when it all blows up in their faces, you'll pretend that you never disagreed with the idea that it was a dumb thing to do. Have fun.

I should have known better than to try to point out an obvious disaster in the making

 

[aznboi9]

If you go back and link to what they were saying in JANUARY of this year, yep, that was what they were saying then

The latest article I quoted was in May of this year. I'll note that you have presented no article stating the contrary. There was also another article I didn't quote in Feb 09 that discussed the difference between alternative schools, which already exist and are open to all students, and specialty schools that have admission requirements, such as a fine arts school. The Africentric School is the former.

But, as usual you are digging as deeply as you have to to find things that seem to support your idea, and ignoring the more recent articles which show you to be incorrect.

85 students, none white (all black and biracial)

5 teachers, none white

1 Principal, black

Oh really? You're the one who seems to be inappropriately using info that could spuriously support your argument. You made the claim that the schools was only open to blacks. You're enrollment info in no way backs up this claim; it only shows that non-blacks are choosing not to enroll. Those are two different things. The fact that you would make such a gross error in logic shows how blinded you are in your narrow and limited thinking and how badly you have to stretch in order to back up your fabrications of fact.

If you read your history you will also find that in the USA with segregation they did not have "blacks only" drinking fountains, schools or seats at the back of the bus.

No kidding? So these signs never existed?

http://1conservativemomma.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/segregation-drinking-fountain.jpg

Everything was open to whites then too.

Uh, I thinking you're misunderstanding how segregation worked back then. And to somehow try and imply that this is in any way comparable to segregation in the US is just ridiculous.

But, I'm sure that you'll just keep arguing for the sake of arguing,

No, I just argue when I come across an arrogant, ignorant, prick.

completely missing the point and not really caring that you don't really have a clue how badly this is going to turn out.

Oh, and you do? You have no clue either, which seems abundantly clear from your previous posts. In fact, most people, myself included, are generally on the fence with this. That's why it's called a Pilot Project. You know what that means right?

 

[godfather_77]

Originally Posted by island-guy
If you read your history you will also find that in the USA with segregation they did not have "blacks only" drinking fountains, schools or seats at the back of the bus.

So I guess George Wallace was welcoming those two Black students to the segregated University of Alabama in 63?

"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"
A.Pope

 

[island-guy]

Originally Posted by island-guy
If you read your history you will also find that in the USA with segregation they did not have "blacks only" drinking fountains, schools or seats at the back of the bus.

So I guess George Wallace was welcoming those two Black students to the segregated University of Alabama in 63?

"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"
A.Pope

I didn't say that they didn't have Whites Only schools etc...