Spot raids @ Richmond AMP’s

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Big_Guy_Rye

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Either this is a horribly written article, or I'm not getting the whole picture. Or perhaps By-Law works differently in Richmond, than where I am...
By what right would by-law have to inspect AMPs? When most of their job consists of cleaning parks, shuffling vagrants from public spaces, and making sure dogs stay on their leash. Especially since the RCMP themselves have stated they don't directly pursue prostitution cases because of our horribly written laws, what gain would By-Law have 'to inspect their clothing'?
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I heard about this on the radio earlier today. The owner of swan basically is saying that the place is licensed and girls are terrified when the cops decide to raid the place. He says massage parlor is safer for the girls. He is going to file complaint to city council and ask for the cops not to raid swan anymore.
 
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My understanding is that they are checking the spas to ensure that:

A. They are licensed (eg paying taxes to the city)

B. That all their “contractors” are also licensed (eg extracting taxes).

What this means is that every contractor must go to city hall and pay x-hundred dollars for a license. They also must (and this is the hitch) register with their actual name and ID.

The fear is because of the stigma around sex work a lot of the ladies do not wish to give their true identity and will leave the parlors for less safe places. It’s actually really quite retrograde if you think about it. For a few dollars the city of Richmond is putting the safety of hundreds of sex workers into peril.

The spas are the low hanging fruit , but in their cash grab you can bet the mandarins at city hall will be scrolling thru Leolist and hitting the agencies next.

You would think these wankers would have learned some lessons from the whole Willie Pickton serial killer saga, but apparently memories are short.
 
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The degree of misconceptions around sex workers in massage parlours is mind boggling . I’ve even witnessed it right on this board by perb members .

There is a tiny grain of truth to some of it .
Like maybe 2-5 percent , thats been blown up by 1000 % more than it actually is .

No doubt driven by jealous houewives who stopped sleeping w their husbands yrs ago but don’t want anyone else to either .
 

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These are being done by Bylaw officers, not cops. To call them raids is a stretch. They are making sure they have paid their license fees, they couldn't care less what is going on in the spa.
And also to possibly make sure they are adhering to the bylaw codes in regards to cleanliness ,were the showers built with permits ? etc.
 
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What would be the reason they are inspecting the ladies clothing?
 
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I would like to suggest that the owner is blowing it out of proportion on the news. He is probably upset with the inspection and probably got fined as well.
Ya I wasn’t sure if it was on the lines of looking for ID, certification etc. or on the other lines of bodily fluid spots due to the nature of the AMP. The blowing out of proportion makes sense.
 

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Filing a complaint to city council or whoever? Funny would be if some of the decision makers were actual clients lol.?
The inspectors are looking to make sure that the ladies are covered from neck to knees, that the doors to the massage rooms have an uncovered window, and some other bylaw requirements.
I am not making this up. It is there for everyone to read in official City of Richmond minutes, which I have read. The police are not involved as no criminal activity was observed.
Now look at Swan Lake’s add and ask yourself how many of the photos of ladies there meet Richmond’s high moral standards.
Nice to know that I live in Canada’s most moral city.
 
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The inspectors are looking to make sure that the ladies are covered from neck to knees, that the doors to the massage rooms have an uncovered window, and some other bylaw requirements.
I am not making this up. It is there for everyone to read in official City of Richmond minutes, which I have read. The police are not involved as no criminal activity was observed.
Now look at Swan Lake’s add and ask yourself how many of the photos of ladies there meet Richmond’s high moral standards.
Nice to know that I live in Canada’s most moral city.
I must admit that I found this out after a visit to the Lake today.. luckily no bylaw agents or RCMP. I must admit I'm a little reassured by the thread here as opposed to the sensationalized media posting. While discretion is very important to me, bylaw agents with RCMP accompanying them looking for bylaw infractions are a lot less scary than RCMP acting on their own initiative. I think that having the locked door at the front would allow a modicum of notice to be given, so that egregious or embarrassing situations could be mitigated. Still hope that the advocacy groups can shut the prude councillor down.. I've grown quite fond of Swan Lake and would find it frustrating to have to look to other cities.
 

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The inspectors are looking to make sure that the ladies are covered from neck to knees, that the doors to the massage rooms have an uncovered window, and some other bylaw requirements.
I am not making this up. It is there for everyone to read in official City of Richmond minutes, which I have read. The police are not involved as no criminal activity was observed.
Now look at Swan Lake’s add and ask yourself how many of the photos of ladies there meet Richmond’s high moral standards.
Nice to know that I live in Canada’s most moral city.
Do you care to share? Also what are the "contractor" licenses that apply in this case? I assume this is municipal but it's also the first time I've heard of it and it sounds very unlawful when put to provincial and federal laws.

I can also assure there isn't a single RMT that I'm aware of that has "doors to the massage rooms having an uncovered window", so I'm curious as to how it's selectively being enforced. I'm not saying what you're saying is off-base, but full context is probably needed.
 
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Do you care to share? Also what are the "contractor" licenses that apply in this case? I assume this is municipal but it's also the first time I've heard of it and it sounds very unlawful when put to provincial and federal laws.

I can also assure there isn't a single RMT that I'm aware of that has "doors to the massage rooms having an uncovered window", so I'm curious as to how it's selectively being enforced. I'm not saying what you're saying is off-base, but full context is probably needed.
Good point about the window. Even if the MP was doing the same thing as a rmt, often when an rmt’s asks you to turn over they just drape the massage sheet over, but if a SP at a MP did the same thing, the clients privacy is violated, because who knows who might be looking through the window at my naked body. For all they know ( the ones who informs the bylaws) I don’t want anyone seeing my naked body. I could be grasping at straws here.
 
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Bylaw enforcers also check things like noise and traffic complaints regarding businesses, aside from license and cleanliness issues.
All it takes is a couple of incidents (rudeness, a parking dispute, etc.) to generate a complaint about a business or its clientele, and complaints (once filed officially) have to be investigated.

Also do not be naive about it being a way of information gathering for the heavier polce agencies (RCMP, CBSA).

Finally, it is not out of line to suggest that municipal politicians are corrupt. Their careers are reliant on donations, and maybe they are signalling that Swan and friends are not doing enough to fund their next campaign. Or mayb developers are eyeing the property and what better way to pick off a piece of desirable land than to call up your pet councillors and mayors and have them target a thriving business for closure. The other shops can't pay their rising rents, but this one always can, and they cannot redevelop until every window is boarded up.


I get if they suspect human trafficking, then yes, but as we know this is not the case.

If that was the case then it would be the CBSA raiding the place.


Nice to know that I live in Canada’s most moral city.
Some of those Chinese evangelical christians could give white Chilliwack ones some serious competition.
 

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Finally, it is not out of line to suggest that municipal politicians are corrupt.
the only ones more hated than lawyers... politicians. One of the most universal epithets. "it's all politics". He's not interested in how it will affect the ladies, the clientele, or the community. Locations like Swan Lake serve a purpose, allowing consensual transactions to take place in a safe and discreet environment, nobody wants to take this to the streets or private residences... too easy for things to go wrong on either side. The Lake protects the customers and the staff. What goes on behind closed doors is none of his business,... and I sure as heck wouldn't go for any kind of massage in a room with a window in the door, whether it be RMT, HE, FS. Not interested in being watched. I hope that the theory about wanting bigger donations isn't true.. I'd hate to help along his success in any way. Here's hoping that the human rights groups can kick him in the balls.
 
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If Kash Heed, or the moralistic Richmond coucillors took their heads out of their asses and used their brains, they'd realize it isn't in the interest of any MP to employ anyone trafficked, but the anonymity of the internet, or LL would be where trafficking is much more likely to take place.
 
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