Spending time with opposing points of view

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FreeG

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Normally I am a very strong advocate for listening to all points of view. I don’t think I’m the only one who feels at least a certain source of todays societal ills are from a lack of empathy and understanding of various points of view.

And yet! There are more and more things I’m finding myselfwith zero patience or time to listen to. POV’s they immediately cause me to shutdown, assume the person is a complete idiot, and lead me to unfollow (on social media), avoid (irl),not see (if she’s a SW I was interested in), etc.

Anyone feeling this? Say, you’re following someone on IG or planning an SW date and they bring up a view on a political or science topic and it IMMEDIATELY turns you off? I don’t even feel like arguing or convincing or listening (or any of the strategies that I’ve read are most effective); I just think “fk that!” And move on pronto.

Maybe it’s just the pandemic fatigue - I only have so much mental energy/endurance and am finding it harder and harder to expend any of it in those who think WAY differently (which doesn’t help the “societal ill” bit mentioned above!)

(Note: this isn’t a thread to DEBATE the hot topics THEMSELVES; there’s already threads on Covid,political, and I’m sure climate science too; the intended topic is on the struggle to discuss these any-fkn-more…)
 
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I am usually open minded, enjoy a good heated debate within reason. But when they are ignoring facts in favor of utter insanity, my tolerance is just gone. Blame Trump and his cult of "fake news", or the lack of respect for science in general. I am a skeptic, but I know water is wet and the sun comes up everyday. When you can't agree that simple shit like that is fact, then I tune you out now, and just reach for the ban hammer as required.
 

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In my case, a lot of it is Covid fatigue. I'm tired of arguing, debating, discussing something that is plainly obvious at this point. This ends up carrying over to all aspects of my life now. I'm not arguing anymore. I just tune out.
 
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It starts with the “everyone’s opinion is equally important” fallacy.
Now we have idiots who think they are entitled to your attention and respect.

Also the rise in fake experts.
There is a guy on twitter who claims to have invented various drugs. His claim is easily proven false.
A woman on twitter+instagram claims to be a neuroscientist who can help people with drug/porn addictions by selling them $1000 programs. In reality she is not even a doctor - let alone a board certified specialist.
Grifters and scammers like these undermine real experts.
Social media profit from their traffic, so they allowed to continue spreading lies.
 
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It’s very frustrating, I feel bad for those on the front lines be they Hospital workers, service etc even our politicians who are trying to navigate through all this turmoil. There are a surprising amount of people who believe in this Alt-reality and nothing will sway them, I’m really glad we have no grandchildren.
 
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Its a fine line that one can often fall off of.

If you close yourself off and pre-decide who is right and wrong, then you're just self-reinforcing. On the other hand there seem to be alot of people arguing in bad faith these days, along with the grifters...i suppose its sunk costs.

Facts are good, but there has to be room for feels. Statements like ' everyone not productive in society should be eliminated' could be construed as fact if your goal is to optimize sime sort of production value like gdp, but its hardly palatable to any but sociopaths.

I think its important to exist on the periphery of what you're comfortable with as it allows the most chance of growth. This applies to most things in our lives..eg. dont overstress yourself but dont get too comfy. Interactions or arguments should proceed the same way... be open to other views to a point, and if their basis is sound ( as you would interpet basis) then its worth listening to at least.
 
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60 Minutes had a very interesting segment last night on the topic of meeting someone with an opposing view. It was made into a positive experience, by focusing on common ideas and not differences.
 
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Normally I am a very strong advocate for listening to all points of view. I don’t think I’m the only one who feels at least a certain source of todays societal ills are from a lack of empathy and understanding of various points of view.

And yet! There are more and more things I’m finding myselfwith zero patience or time to listen to. POV’s they immediately cause me to shutdown, assume the person is a complete idiot, and lead me to unfollow (on social media), avoid (irl),not see (if she’s a SW I was interested in), etc.

Anyone feeling this? Say, you’re following someone on IG or planning an SW date and they bring up a view on a political or science topic and it IMMEDIATELY turns you off? I don’t even feel like arguing or convincing or listening (or any of the strategies that I’ve read are most effective); I just think “fk that!” And move on pronto.

Maybe it’s just the pandemic fatigue - I only have so much mental energy/endurance and am finding it harder and harder to expend any of it in those who think WAY differently (which doesn’t help the “societal ill” bit mentioned above!)

(Note: this isn’t a thread to DEBATE the hot topics THEMSELVES; there’s already threads on Covid,political, and I’m sure climate science too; the intended topic is on the struggle to discuss these any-fkn-more…)

I am usually open minded, enjoy a good heated debate within reason. But when they are ignoring facts in favor of utter insanity, my tolerance is just gone. Blame Trump and his cult of "fake news", or the lack of respect for science in general. I am a skeptic, but I know water is wet and the sun comes up everyday. When you can't agree that simple shit like that is fact, then I tune you out now, and just reach for the ban hammer as required.

I have very strong views on many subjects, but I don't think I make that much empty noise, because I don't feel the need to blindly uphold one "side" and everything it says or does. My views don't fit neatly into one partisan category, and I don't do try to edit my beliefs so that they fit some stereotype of what one faction is supposed to believe.

Some things I am willing to hear, if only because I can do that "devil's advocate" thing myself too, in a real discussion or debate. But on some other subjects, my patience for "live and let live" has run out, namely when the stakes are literally survival.
Do I really have to justify people to people who no longer recognize it? How far do I have to go to explain facts, when all they will do with any explanation is the equivalent of going "nuh-uhh" like some snot-nosed 3rd grader?

For me, the Harper era was when my patience with mindless partisan drones ran out; to me that regime led an outright assault on reality (to say nothing of democracy) - so it wasn't Trump and his Legion Of Goofs that were the last straw. Their tone is very brazen and things got uglier in the world since then, but the whole anti-science / anti-intellectual began long before that. But this doesn't mean I give the other parties automatic benefit of the doubt, especially when they too find ways to get on my nerves.

Although I have to say, there's a lot of outright bullshit being slung by both sides (if you even believe there's just two sides in politics - I don't) - many examples from across the spectrum of people who are insufferable and crooked, and yet are given way more attention and power than they deserve. Also, let me say that taking the "modertate" position on an issue should be more than just taking the average of two equally stupid extremes; balancing the grievances of the groups of permanently outraged people is not a recipe for success.

The public is being forced to swallow more and more of what used to be considered extreme and deranged, and told that we must be in the wrong if we don't blindly agree with every new swindle the political and social "influencers" come up with.

How much of the agenda in general is now controlled by just a tiny percentage of people who think their personal ambiitions should be allowed to just steamroll over everyone else's? If one person or a small group of people are aggrieved about some small thing, does that mean everyone else should have to bow and scrape and bend their own lives out of shape for them? No.

Democracy - rule by the masses, or at least with their consent - is being murdered piece by piece. Our leaders love their buzzwords to do with the "rule of law", but really it's just the law bending to whoever can throw the biggest tantrum.

Everything in politics, business, entertainment seems to be a swindle now, and those of us who don't let our egos run amok are told we must walk on eggshells the rest of our lives, lest we upset some fragile egomaniacs and puritan hypocrites who might come after us with all their tears and guns and craziness and hashtags. To them it's very lucrative to make society this way; to everyone else, it's fucking exhausting.

That's why my patience has evaporated, and I stopped being polite to those I simply cannot respect. I know I am not alone.
 
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