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Four hours. Four banks. Six cents.

This was a typical day in Caracas, Venezuela, capital of the world's most miserable economy.

In most of the world, getting a little money out of the bank is an errand, something forgettable. In Venezuela, for millions of people, it is complicated, tedious and surreal, or just impossible.

I moved here a year and a half ago to cover the country's economic crisis as a freelance journalist. I knew how bad things were, but I never imagined the constant daily struggle to achieve even the simplest of tasks.

As Venezuela has sunk to new depths, prices have skyrocketed, and the currency, the bolivar, has become next to worthless. Supermarkets and banks have become scenes of confusion and chaos: Are they open? Do they have money or food? How much can I get?

Related: Venezuela is losing its teachers

Inflation is so rampant -- some experts say it ran above 4,000% last year -- that it has devoured people's salaries.

As I write this, one dollar fetches about 191,000 bolivars, according to the black market exchange rate that everyone uses. (Nobody trusts the overvalued official rate because the government has lost credibility among ordinary Venezuelans and in international markets that determine exchange rates.)

A year ago, one dollar fetched 3,100 bolivars. The bolivar has lost 98% of its value since then. Even on the day I reported this story, January 11, a dollar would have gotten me about 151,000 bolivars in the morning.

Venezuela's banking authority tells banks every month how much customers can withdraw at one time, according to an official statement. But the authority doesn't make that amount public.

In August, Venezuelan media outlets reported that the authority set the limit at 10,000 bolivars per customer. Press officers declined to elaborate on the rules. The Bank Association of Venezuela, which represents bank branches, closed its press office six months ago.

As the currency loses value, the banks themselves have become their own scenes of confusion. Customers wait in long lines. Some banks don't offer cash and allow only electronic transactions.

Related video by Reuters: Venezuela supermarkets besieged after price cuts

So how hard is it to get a dollar's worth of bolivars?

I tried. And failed.

The first bank: 'Minimum an hour' wait

I got to my first bank at 9:30 a.m. Dozens of people were lining up in front. People wait for cash here like Americans queue up to buy lottery tickets when the jackpot soars.
a screenshot of a cell phone© CNNMoney

Inside, the five ATMs were deserted, a sign that they were out of cash. The only option was to withdraw money with the bank teller. I quickly counted 21 people in line and just one teller working.

"It's minimum an hour waiting," the last man in line told me as I approached.

I decided to try my luck elsewhere.

This problem has exploded in recent months, but it developed over years.

Venezuela was once Latin America's wealthiest nation, but it was plagued by extreme inequality. A socialist leader, Hugo Chavez, promised to fix the country's deep disparity between rich and poor when he became president in 1999.

Chavez ramped up government spending, providing housing and services for millions of poor Venezuelans. But critics and economists said for years that the spending was irresponsible and unsustainable.

Chavez died in 2013, and his hand-picked successor, Nicolas Maduro, took over. Maduro maintained socialist policies, even while government coffers drained. Food shortages and electric blackouts became more common.

The country spiraled into economic and social unrest following a plunge in oil prices in 2014. Venezuela has more oil than any other nation on earth, but oil is the nation's only source of revenue. Government mismanagement and widespread corruption have caused oil production to plummet.

To patch the inflation problem, the Venezuelan government has repeatedly increased the monthly minimum wage, but prices have risen faster, and the bolivar has plunged further. And it got worse over the holidays.

The second bank: 'It's nonsense!'

I walk a few blocks to a second bank. That I could find another one so quickly is a luxury of Caracas. In rural parts of Venezuela, cash is a necessity, and banks are far apart.

At the second bank, the ATMs were already out of cash, and it wasn't even 10 a.m. Frustration set in. Only 10 people were waiting for the tellers, so I decided to line up.

Gustavo Vasquez stood next to me in line. He told me he only needed 30,000 bolivars, or about 18 cents, for a CLAP bag: a sack of food and toiletries the government gives out to the poorest Venezuelans each month at heavily subsidized prices.

Recently, CLAP bags have gotten smaller or been delayed as more Venezuelans slip into poverty and as the government runs out of money to import essential goods.

As one of the manywho now rely on food handouts, Vasquez was not on benefits for most of his life. He used to have a full-time job and a quiet life on his pension. But inflation made it impossible for him to live off his income, and government programs like CLAP are now a lifeline for him and his family.

Critics argue that the CLAPs are used as a political weapon by Maduro to force people to vote for him. But the ethics of political aid were not on Vasquez's mind. He just wanted to get cash so he could pay for the vital handout and eat.

"Here, they only allow [you] to take out 5,000 per day," Vasquez told me. "What should I do? Open an account in six different banks? It's nonsense!"

I managed to reach the front of the line, but the teller said I had to present a check to withdraw money. She wouldn't let me use my debit card. Increasingly annoyed, I left the second bank and passed two others before surrendering and heading home to pick up my checkbook.

I waited four hours to get 6 cents. I spent it all in one place.

It was noon. I had been looking for cash for more than two hours. I returned to the first bank I tried.

I waited another hour in line before reaching the teller with my checkbook in hand. I noticed how everyone in line was still calm and silent, as if general resignation had forced these people to simply accept the situation.

Social rage exploded last year in Venezuela when hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets of Caracas for more than 90 days to protest changes to the constitution and to demand elections and humanitarian aid.

The protests were quashed by government forces. More than 120 people lost their lives, according to state-run media. Police fired rubber bullets and shot tear gas. Protesters lobbed Molotov cocktails. A gas mask became a daily requirement for my reporting.

Now it seems that the economic situation is so bad that the average Venezuelan is too busy scrambling for cash and food to take to the streets once again.

At 1:23 p.m., I finally presented my check and got the hard-earned cash: 10,000 bolivars, or 6 cents.

Yarmira de Motos, the teller, informed me that the bank manager establishes every morning how much each customer can withdraw based on how much money is delivered by the Venezuelan Central Bank.

For this reason, some banks may allow 5,000-, 10,000- or even 30,000-bolivar withdrawals depending on the day. It's a total gamble.

With my 10,000 bolivars in hand four hours later, I met a friend for a coffee. My cappuccino cost 35,000 bolivars.


This is what Socialism BRINGS upon time.

SR
 

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I got from it that he would vote for Trump. I admit...I only read the title.
Trump is a raving Fucktard, with a dead cat on his head.....hey Storm!
I thought Socialism brought cheap healthcare?

( FYI......I just got laid, and I'm sitting in my hotel room, with 6 vodkas under my belt....bought at a government run liquor store....)
 

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Correction my dear sybian................

That Fucktard looks like an orange orangutan with a dead rat on his head ! LOL!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YEhNHNydIs&feature=youtu.be

enjoy!

Btw, Venezuala's "form" of socialism is nothing like the socialism we have here. Thankfully.
The so called Socialists they have now running that country is a total spin on the reality
of who is running the show there.
Venezuela used to be a democratic socialist gov't.
It is now run by a bunch of over bearing Mussolini type fascist communists who took over from
the democratic society they used to have. Our socialism as you call it here is nothing like that
down there. Our level of socialism we have here I doubt will ever denigrate to what they have
down there in Venezuela. Democratic socialism and COMMUNIST socialism are two totally
different styles of socialism.

I mean, don't you watch CNN? :lol::D


....................QM'r
 

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Maduro is socialist as much as Mugabe.
Neither are socialists, oligarchs would be more precise, one party dictatorial rule.
They are both despots mismanaging a once prosperous but now ruined economy, and they are both dependent on force to stay in power.
Maduro cannot win in the long term, but he cannot step down either. A freely elected government would charge him for his crimes. He is backed into a corner and has no way out.
Now there is a self reinforcing cycle of increased civil unrest leading to increased repression as Maduro loses control. There is nothing more dangerous to a despot than a population that sees no possible improvement and has nothing to lose in a revolt.
Perhaps his military will take a cue from Zimbabwe's and stage a coup. The soldiers and police have families and are hungry too.
 

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Maduro is socialist as much as Mugabe.
Neither are socialists, oligarchs would be more precise, one party dictatorial rule.
They are both despots mismanaging a once prosperous but now ruined economy, and they are both dependent on force to stay in power.
Maduro cannot win in the long term, but he cannot step down either. A freely elected government would charge him for his crimes. He is backed into a corner and has no way out.
Now there is a self reinforcing cycle of increased civil unrest leading to increased repression as Maduro loses control. There is nothing more dangerous to a despot than a population that sees no possible improvement and has nothing to lose in a revolt.
Perhaps his military will take a cue from Zimbabwe's and stage a coup. The soldiers and police have families and are hungry too.
Maduro replaced Hugo Chavez after he died.Chavez acheived power via the usual Socialist mantra of "Socialist housing etc" and then later Chavez "nationalized" the assets of foreign oil companies (stole them actually) and of course the foreign oil companies up and quit.....same thing happened with the automotive industry.All told it boils down to the common refrain and it is "Socialism"....be it in the now defunct USSR or Cuba.In all cases the "ELITES" rule from the top whilst telling the "masses" what is best for them and if the "masses" have something to say about it they get shipped off to a gulag(USSR) or sent to political prison(Cuba) or are just shot in the street as in Venezuala.


In Canada we have "Socialism lite" because the Lieberals and the NDP could just not get away with shit like that has happened in other countries that have had PURE Socialist governments.At the same time Canadians have gotten a taste of what it is like with reagrds to the cronyism/kick backs and corruption that ensues after electing a Socialist government both Federally and Provincially.From the Lieberal Administration Scandal which saw 250 million stolen from Canadians under Chretien whilst Prime Minister as well as the Bingogate/Hydrogate/Casinogate of the BC NDP which went through 3 leaders in the 1990's with ALL of them resigning in DISGRACE.....but no fucking JAIL time.

The 2 biggest policy planks of the NDP are the LEAP manifesto and wealth redistribution......if you read the LEAP manifesto from back to front and then consider the idea of taking wealth from those that have to to redistribute it to those that have nothing it is a shitstorm recipe that would DESTROY Canada in no time.....one of the quotes made by Nathan Cullen who is part of the NDP braintrust is never repeated by the media and it was responding to the premise of "It's my money and I worked for it!"......his response was "what a preposterous notion!"

Socialism is the philosphy of failure...the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy....it's inherant nature is the equal sharing of misery.....Sir Winston Churchill.

Try going on a trip to Caracas with $1000 worth of US currency in your pocket......you would have your throat slit and be robbed before you checked into your hotel room right now.

SR
 

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You can't compare Venezuela and many other failed Socialist countries for a few reasons:

1. Corruption. These countries suffered from corruption for long periods (likely due to a history of poor leadership). Chavez ascent was on a populist slant (much like Trump) and was initially supported...until it was too late and people realized the bubble was bursting (the drop in oil didn't help but it likely only accelerated the country's decline).

2. Dictators. This evolves in non-Socialist countries too. I don't think there's a strong correlation between the political structure of a country and the ascent of demagogues (but please correct me with a published reference if you have one). Regardless, once Chavez and his kind pull together their circle of power, the country, historically, is hooped. Its just a matter of time. There are some exceptions (I think Dominican Republic is one, in contrast to Haiti, because their leader had at least a few slivers of benevolence and intelligence).

Additionally:
3. Communism and Socialism shouldn't be confused. Quickly skimmed Wiki-too-lazy-to-read-real-books-pedia and while Marxim & Socialism developed from similar ideals, how and to what degree they execute those ideals can be VASTLY different. Communism is a particularly narrow and strict (and beyond China, typically unsuccessful when judged by GDP and other economic factors). So while many of these countries may be called "Socialist", they should be confused with other Socialist countries like Nordic, UK, much of Europe.

4. Your quote by Nathan Cullen sounds pretty harsh - but consider his (and others') point of view: if one is making money from the benefits of society (services rendered, infrastructure provided, safety/order/discipline by police & military, environmental & food regulations that provide you good health, building standards that give you safe housing, etc etc), then how much is that worth? Unless you're WAY off the grid homesteading, you're benefiting from many or all of the above. Therefore, you owe something to society. How much is naturally a valid point of debate but to believe that ALL the money you worked for is yours to keep, lock/stock/barrel, is a fallacy.

5. Canada's political strength (or lack thereof, across the board), from what I've observed since coming here, certainly warrants concern. That applies to all the parties I've seen: Harper's Conservative govt was in many ways venturing closer to a totalitarian group than Trudeau's Liberals (their silencing of scientists was sickening, for one). But as long as people are free to vote (and actually do vote), they can ultimately hold political parties accountable. Additionally, who's responsible to prosecute such issues above? Perhaps a spotlight is deserved for the RCMP (and whoever else does that sort of thing).

6. Capitalism has resulted in tremendous innovation and fairly good wealth across the board, but it also becomes a race to the bottom - how much can shareholders squeeze out of the workforce? How much can a company pillage the environment before a regulation or fine slows them down (and causes them to cry like babies because they can no longer dump toxic shit into Lake Erie or rivers)?

7. As populations grow and resources dwindle (despite some amazing advances to extract/reuse/recycle resources), greater govt oversight and control is inevitable to maintain order & discipline and ensure the broadest band of society has equal opportunity to those resources. Most recent example - the looming water shortage in Cape Town, SA. Not sure what the govt is going to do to provide water to the city's poor while the rich have been able to purchase systems to maintain some water supply, but not many good options. If only the govt had stepped in earlier, with greater authority, and asserted control over the most important resource on our planet: water. Mind you, you'll live less long without air but as long as you're between 0 and 20,000ft altitude and away from a car exhaust, air is usually readily available!

8. I'd never go ANYWHERE with $1000 of currency in my pocket. That's just plain dumb...
 

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In all cases the "ELITES" rule from the top whilst telling the "masses" what is best for them and if the "masses" have something to say about it they get shipped off to a gulag(USSR) or sent to political prison(Cuba) or are just shot in the street as in Venezuala.


In Canada we have "Socialism lite" because the Lieberals and the NDP could just not get away with shit like that has happened in other countries that have had PURE Socialist governments.At the same time Canadians have gotten a taste of what it is like with reagrds to the cronyism/kick backs and corruption that ensues after electing a Socialist government both Federally and Provincially.From the Lieberal Administration Scandal which saw 250 million stolen from Canadians under Chretien whilst Prime Minister as well as the Bingogate/Hydrogate/Casinogate of the BC NDP which went through 3 leaders in the 1990's with ALL of them resigning in DISGRACE.....but no fucking JAIL time.

SR
A taste of what it is like, minus the shot in the streets caveat or sent to gulags. What country are you from?
Like I said before SR, two totally different types of Socialism. Thanks god we have some
control of our cronyisms here
in Canada. :lol:

If all else fails read what FreeG wrote below. He put it very well the differences you seem to ignore
except only to acknowledge it as "Socialism lite"

Your intense hatred (as it seems) for socialism has driven your sense of reality about this subject to
the point of no return confusing Venezuelan socialism with our own.

It looks like we are still a far cry from what they are dealing with in Venezuela and for good reason.
So what was that complaint you had about socialism? :rolleyes:

We live here in Canada, not in those other places that have been ruined by Marxist Lenonist Socialism.
AKA TRUE COMMUNISM..... Please try to see the difference.

You can't compare Venezuela and many other failed Socialist countries for a few reasons:

1. Corruption. These countries suffered from corruption for long periods (likely due to a history of poor leadership). Chavez ascent was on a populist slant (much like Trump) and was initially supported...until it was too late and people realized the bubble was bursting (the drop in oil didn't help but it likely only accelerated the country's decline).

2. Dictators. This evolves in non-Socialist countries too. I don't think there's a strong correlation between the political structure of a country and the ascent of demagogues (but please correct me with a published reference if you have one). Regardless, once Chavez and his kind pull together their circle of power, the country, historically, is hooped. Its just a matter of time. There are some exceptions (I think Dominican Republic is one, in contrast to Haiti, because their leader had at least a few slivers of benevolence and intelligence).

Additionally:
3. Communism and Socialism shouldn't be confused. Quickly skimmed Wiki-too-lazy-to-read-real-books-pedia and while Marxim & Socialism developed from similar ideals, how and to what degree they execute those ideals can be VASTLY different. Communism is a particularly narrow and strict (and beyond China, typically unsuccessful when judged by GDP and other economic factors). So while many of these countries may be called "Socialist", they should be confused with other Socialist countries like Nordic, UK, much of Europe.

4. Your quote by Nathan Cullen sounds pretty harsh - but consider his (and others') point of view: if one is making money from the benefits of society (services rendered, infrastructure provided, safety/order/discipline by police & military, environmental & food regulations that provide you good health, building standards that give you safe housing, etc etc), then how much is that worth? Unless you're WAY off the grid homesteading, you're benefiting from many or all of the above. Therefore, you owe something to society. How much is naturally a valid point of debate but to believe that ALL the money you worked for is yours to keep, lock/stock/barrel, is a fallacy.

5. Canada's political strength (or lack thereof, across the board), from what I've observed since coming here, certainly warrants concern. That applies to all the parties I've seen: Harper's Conservative govt was in many ways venturing closer to a totalitarian group than Trudeau's Liberals (their silencing of scientists was sickening, for one). But as long as people are free to vote (and actually do vote), they can ultimately hold political parties accountable. Additionally, who's responsible to prosecute such issues above? Perhaps a spotlight is deserved for the RCMP (and whoever else does that sort of thing).

6. Capitalism has resulted in tremendous innovation and fairly good wealth across the board, but it also becomes a race to the bottom - how much can shareholders squeeze out of the workforce? How much can a company pillage the environment before a regulation or fine slows them down (and causes them to cry like babies because they can no longer dump toxic shit into Lake Erie or rivers)?

7. As populations grow and resources dwindle (despite some amazing advances to extract/reuse/recycle resources), greater govt oversight and control is inevitable to maintain order & discipline and ensure the broadest band of society has equal opportunity to those resources. Most recent example - the looming water shortage in Cape Town, SA. Not sure what the govt is going to do to provide water to the city's poor while the rich have been able to purchase systems to maintain some water supply, but not many good options. If only the govt had stepped in earlier, with greater authority, and asserted control over the most important resource on our planet: water. Mind you, you'll live less long without air but as long as you're between 0 and 20,000ft altitude and away from a car exhaust, air is usually readily available!

8. I'd never go ANYWHERE with $1000 of currency in my pocket. That's just plain dumb...

Excellent point you make FreeG especially in number 5 of your list. I for one am not completely happy with the
way things are progressing either but at least like I said to SR, ( in other words) at least we are able
to VOTE... How's that for socialism SR? Any complaints there?

When was the last time they got to vote in Venezuela or Cuba, or Russia for that matter.
Two totally different types of Socialism.. We are not Communists.




......................QM'r
 

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Without wealth redistribution we would have health care, education and social services only for those who can afford it.

Go to a private hospital and see how much a few x rays cost.

Should we let people die from simple illnesses because they cannot afford treatment? Maybe in Alberta, but most other places are a bit more egalitarian.
 

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Why don't we talk about a real socialist country like Denmark or Sweden. Man, things are really bad there.
 

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Don't feed the trolls guys. Storm Rider is that weird kid in school who always wore a black trenchcoat, pretending he was Neo.
 

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For those who might not have caught it, unless Storm Rider is Stefano Pozzebon, this is an uncited copy-paste of a CNN article, not his personal account.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/17/news/economy/venezuela-cash-crisis/index.html

Personally I'm a little surprised, given Storm Rider's posting history, that he's reading CNN let alone citing it. :)
Citing requires, well, citing. Storm rider just put his initials after the copy of the article. I believe that is called plagiarism, unless SR is really SP.
 

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For those who might not have caught it, unless Storm Rider is Stefano Pozzebon, this is an uncited copy-paste of a CNN article, not his personal account.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/17/news/economy/venezuela-cash-crisis/index.html

Personally I'm a little surprised, given Storm Rider's posting history, that he's reading CNN let alone citing it. :)
Citing requires, well, citing. Storm rider just put his initials after the copy of the article. I believe that is called plagiarism, unless SR is really SP.
Four hours. Four banks. Six cents.

This was a typical day in Caracas, Venezuela, capital of the world's most miserable economy.

In most of the world, getting a little money out of the bank is an errand, something forgettable. In Venezuela, for millions of people, it is complicated, tedious and surreal, or just impossible.

I moved here a year and a half ago to cover the country's economic crisis as a freelance journalist. I knew how bad things were, but I never imagined the constant daily struggle to achieve even the simplest of tasks.

As Venezuela has sunk to new depths, prices have skyrocketed, and the currency, the bolivar, has become next to worthless. Supermarkets and banks have become scenes of confusion and chaos: Are they open? Do they have money or food? How much can I get?

Related: Venezuela is losing its teachers

Inflation is so rampant -- some experts say it ran above 4,000% last year -- that it has devoured people's salaries.

As I write this, one dollar fetches about 191,000 bolivars, according to the black market exchange rate that everyone uses. (Nobody trusts the overvalued official rate because the government has lost credibility among ordinary Venezuelans and in international markets that determine exchange rates.)

A year ago, one dollar fetched 3,100 bolivars. The bolivar has lost 98% of its value since then. Even on the day I reported this story, January 11, a dollar would have gotten me about 151,000 bolivars in the morning.

Venezuela's banking authority tells banks every month how much customers can withdraw at one time, according to an official statement. But the authority doesn't make that amount public.

In August, Venezuelan media outlets reported that the authority set the limit at 10,000 bolivars per customer. Press officers declined to elaborate on the rules. The Bank Association of Venezuela, which represents bank branches, closed its press office six months ago.

As the currency loses value, the banks themselves have become their own scenes of confusion. Customers wait in long lines. Some banks don't offer cash and allow only electronic transactions.

Related video by Reuters: Venezuela supermarkets besieged after price cuts

So how hard is it to get a dollar's worth of bolivars?

I tried. And failed.

The first bank: 'Minimum an hour' wait

I got to my first bank at 9:30 a.m. Dozens of people were lining up in front. People wait for cash here like Americans queue up to buy lottery tickets when the jackpot soars.
a screenshot of a cell phone© CNNMoney

Inside, the five ATMs were deserted, a sign that they were out of cash. The only option was to withdraw money with the bank teller. I quickly counted 21 people in line and just one teller working.

"It's minimum an hour waiting," the last man in line told me as I approached.

I decided to try my luck elsewhere.

This problem has exploded in recent months, but it developed over years.

Venezuela was once Latin America's wealthiest nation, but it was plagued by extreme inequality. A socialist leader, Hugo Chavez, promised to fix the country's deep disparity between rich and poor when he became president in 1999.

Chavez ramped up government spending, providing housing and services for millions of poor Venezuelans. But critics and economists said for years that the spending was irresponsible and unsustainable.

Chavez died in 2013, and his hand-picked successor, Nicolas Maduro, took over. Maduro maintained socialist policies, even while government coffers drained. Food shortages and electric blackouts became more common.

The country spiraled into economic and social unrest following a plunge in oil prices in 2014. Venezuela has more oil than any other nation on earth, but oil is the nation's only source of revenue. Government mismanagement and widespread corruption have caused oil production to plummet.

To patch the inflation problem, the Venezuelan government has repeatedly increased the monthly minimum wage, but prices have risen faster, and the bolivar has plunged further. And it got worse over the holidays.

The second bank: 'It's nonsense!'

I walk a few blocks to a second bank. That I could find another one so quickly is a luxury of Caracas. In rural parts of Venezuela, cash is a necessity, and banks are far apart.

At the second bank, the ATMs were already out of cash, and it wasn't even 10 a.m. Frustration set in. Only 10 people were waiting for the tellers, so I decided to line up.

Gustavo Vasquez stood next to me in line. He told me he only needed 30,000 bolivars, or about 18 cents, for a CLAP bag: a sack of food and toiletries the government gives out to the poorest Venezuelans each month at heavily subsidized prices.

Recently, CLAP bags have gotten smaller or been delayed as more Venezuelans slip into poverty and as the government runs out of money to import essential goods.

As one of the manywho now rely on food handouts, Vasquez was not on benefits for most of his life. He used to have a full-time job and a quiet life on his pension. But inflation made it impossible for him to live off his income, and government programs like CLAP are now a lifeline for him and his family.

Critics argue that the CLAPs are used as a political weapon by Maduro to force people to vote for him. But the ethics of political aid were not on Vasquez's mind. He just wanted to get cash so he could pay for the vital handout and eat.

"Here, they only allow [you] to take out 5,000 per day," Vasquez told me. "What should I do? Open an account in six different banks? It's nonsense!"

I managed to reach the front of the line, but the teller said I had to present a check to withdraw money. She wouldn't let me use my debit card. Increasingly annoyed, I left the second bank and passed two others before surrendering and heading home to pick up my checkbook.

I waited four hours to get 6 cents. I spent it all in one place.

It was noon. I had been looking for cash for more than two hours. I returned to the first bank I tried.

I waited another hour in line before reaching the teller with my checkbook in hand. I noticed how everyone in line was still calm and silent, as if general resignation had forced these people to simply accept the situation.

Social rage exploded last year in Venezuela when hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets of Caracas for more than 90 days to protest changes to the constitution and to demand elections and humanitarian aid.

The protests were quashed by government forces. More than 120 people lost their lives, according to state-run media. Police fired rubber bullets and shot tear gas. Protesters lobbed Molotov cocktails. A gas mask became a daily requirement for my reporting.

Now it seems that the economic situation is so bad that the average Venezuelan is too busy scrambling for cash and food to take to the streets once again.

At 1:23 p.m., I finally presented my check and got the hard-earned cash: 10,000 bolivars, or 6 cents.

Yarmira de Motos, the teller, informed me that the bank manager establishes every morning how much each customer can withdraw based on how much money is delivered by the Venezuelan Central Bank.

For this reason, some banks may allow 5,000-, 10,000- or even 30,000-bolivar withdrawals depending on the day. It's a total gamble.

With my 10,000 bolivars in hand four hours later, I met a friend for a coffee. My cappuccino cost 35,000 bolivars.


This is what Socialism BRINGS upon time.

SR
For those who might not have caught it, unless Storm Rider is Stefano Pozzebon, this is an uncited copy-paste of a CNN article, not his personal account.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/17/news/economy/venezuela-cash-crisis/index.html
Bwahahaha

The writing style seemed far too good compared to his posting history.

Any credibility crashed and burned in one post. :pound:

Unless he works for CNN,a Fake News organization despised by his Orange Haired Dorito #45.
 

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I for one recognized it was a cut and paste from someone else. No biggie (tho providing references is warranted )

I also welcome contrary views - group-think and being surrounded by like-minded people may feel comfortable but it’s a dangerous situation for any organization (not that I would consider Perb an organization but you get the point!).

Having ones views questioned and challenged is healthy - it forces you to either reinforce (with facts, hopefully!) update, or sometimes change ones views - hopefully for the better!
 

BobbyMcgee

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I for one recognized it was a cut and paste from someone else. No biggie (tho providing references is warranted )

I also welcome contrary views - group-think and being surrounded by like-minded people may feel comfortable but it’s a dangerous situation for any organization (not that I would consider Perb an organization but you get the point!).

Having ones views questioned and challenged is healthy - it forces you to either reinforce (with facts, hopefully!) update, or sometimes change ones views - hopefully for the better!
i for one recognize and understand the concept of “PLAGERISM”, notice how i put it in quotation marks meaning it was not my original thought and actually it is the exact wording of another, i guess I should reference Mariam Webster now.
 

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Have you forgotten the corruption of Brian Mulroney and Stephen Harper? They were as bad, if not worse, than Chretien, Martin, and Trudeau the younger. Mulroney sold out our our legislative freedom and entire economy via NAFTA. Harper gave away our rights to privacy and security to the US when he was in power.

We don't have socialism in Canada. We have an oligarchy. Our economy is a mixed one with a heavy balance of capitalism. What do we have that is socialist? Emergency healthcare and hospitals (but not elective surgery like cosmetics or hip and knee replacements), education somewhat (except in BC where private schools steal dollars from citizens to enrich the upper class). We still have some public control over environmental standards and radio and telecoms. Mail delivery. That's about it. Banking is privatised. Almost all TV, radio, and print is privatised (and largely controlled by 2 families).
 

BobbyMcgee

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Have you forgotten the corruption of Brian Mulroney and Stephen Harper? They were as bad, if not worse, than Chretien, Martin, and Trudeau the younger. Mulroney sold out our our legislative freedom and entire economy via NAFTA. Harper gave away our rights to privacy and security to the US when he was in power.

We don't have socialism in Canada. We have an oligarchy. Our economy is a mixed one with a heavy balance of capitalism. What do we have that is socialist? Emergency healthcare and hospitals (but not elective surgery like cosmetics or hip and knee replacements), education somewhat (except in BC where private schools steal dollars from citizens to enrich the upper class). We still have some public control over environmental standards and radio and telecoms. Mail delivery. That's about it. Banking is privatised. Almost all TV, radio, and print is privatised (and largely controlled by 2 families).
YUP, Rogers __________ and you fill in the other blank. Rich getting richer. Poor on status quo. Middle class disappearing. Good luck to Canada’s next young adults affording a $1M shack in the burbs. I know I live in one. Time to reply in the cashing out in the Lower Mainland post. BM
 
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