Should Parents Be Licensed?

[classycarly]

A thought went through my mind today after witnessing an incident between a mother and child, and the question I began asking myself was should parents be licensed to have children?

If you think about it, we need a license to fish, a license to drive, a license to own a business etc.... but we don't need a license to prove our competence as parents. When did fishing, driving, owning a business etc... become more important than raising those who who will be running things when we are too old?

There is almost no accountability left anymore, many children run amok with no moral values, beliefs, or goals to steer them. Is this their fault? I think not. It is the parents who are too busy chasing the almighty dollar to watch what their kids are turning into, or they are more concerened with partying or "their needs". That is fine if you want to live that way, but what gives us the right to drag our children down with us?

I have some ideas on how it could be done fairly and justly, but then there are those that would misunderstand me and call me a genetics cleanser and that's not what I'm trying to achieve. I'm just trying to get a little more accountability and responsibility in the world, and if it all starts with the parents, then that's where we need to look to.

Oh boy.... the things my mind comes up with when I'm left alone.

 

[metoo113]

Wait till you have kids of your own and then judge.

 

[classycarly]

Wait till you have kids of your own and then judge.

No need to be nasty, I wasn't judging, I was only setting out a topic for debate and looking for informed and educated feedback because that is what changes society and patterns of thinking.


I do. I have 1 and because I am conscious of how I conduct myself and treat my child, he's a pretty good kid. I am not perfect and neither is he, but we're way better adjusted than alot of families I've seen and been in contact with. I also ran a daycare for 5 years so I'd say I have a pretty good insight on children, and I can ask the question. Like I said, this post wasn't meant to start something negative, just the opposite actually. Your post didn't answer any questions or give any feedback, or contribute in any meaningful way to the topic posed so why did you bother posting at all?

 

[jjinvan]

No need to be nasty, I wasn't judging, I was only setting out a topic for debate and looking for informed and educated feedback because that is what changes society and patterns of thinking.


I do. I have 1 and because I am conscious of how I conduct myself and treat my child, he's a pretty good kid. I am not perfect and neither is he, but we're way better adjusted than alot of families I've seen and been in contact with. I also ran a daycare for 5 years so I'd say I have a pretty good insight on children, and I can ask the question. Like I said, this post wasn't meant to start something negative, just the opposite actually. Your post didn't answer any questions or give any feedback, or contribute in any meaningful way to the topic posed so why did you bother posting at all?

I've been saying that they should figure out a way to do a reversible sterilization on everyone at puberty and then undo it if you earn the priviledge of being a parent.

Of course, if you are going to say something like that, you have to expect the lefties to call you names and bitch and moan without actually contributing anything useful, after all, what are the odds that they ever would have been born had such a system been in place?

After all, they annoy the people who actually work hard and achieve things in society by endlessly trying to take things away from the people who earn them and give them to those who don't. This isn't the sort of thing that is likely to encourage the hard working majority to allow them to reproduce while sucking on the teat of social programs without contributing to the costs of those programs.

They never answer questions, or give feedback or contribute in any meaningful way, they're too busy calling people names and thinking up excuses to raise taxes and give the money to people who didn't work for it.

And, I'm sure they'll somehow find a way to say that it's a racist idea.

 

[metoo113]

No need to be nasty, I wasn't judging, I was only setting out a topic for debate and looking for informed and educated feedback because that is what changes society and patterns of thinking.


I do. I have 1 and because I am conscious of how I conduct myself and treat my child, he's a pretty good kid. I am not perfect and neither is he, but we're way better adjusted than alot of families I've seen and been in contact with. I also ran a daycare for 5 years so I'd say I have a pretty good insight on children, and I can ask the question. Like I said, this post wasn't meant to start something negative, just the opposite actually. Your post didn't answer any questions or give any feedback, or contribute in any meaningful way to the topic posed so why did you bother posting at all?

Sorry classycarly, that was a knee jerk (me being the jerk) reaction. I apologize.


Now on to your original post. Rather then license parents they should be given more tools to assist them to raise their children. Because of the high price of living in many cities, should their be more financial assistance to allow the mother or father to stay home longer with the child to better pass on their values.

Of course this would assume that the parents have values to pass on!

 

[jjinvan]

Sorry classycarly, that was a knee jerk (me being the jerk) reaction. I apologize.


Now on to your original post. Rather then license parents they should be given more tools to assist them to raise their children. Because of the high price of living in many cities, should their be more financial assistance to allow the mother or father to stay home longer with the child to better pass on their values.

Of course this would assume that the parents have values to pass on!

Wow, the perfect example of a 'knee jerk liberal'.

Raise taxes and increase handouts, that will really teach the kids that they have to earn things they want in life, and instill a great work ethic, won't it?

 

[jack9011]

stay at home parents

I've debated that whole "give more money to people so one can stay at home thing" to death with some liberal friends of mine. It sounds like a great idea. The problem is, a lot of these people would be terrible parents. The kids are better off beind raised in a healthy fun environment like a daycare than being shoved in front of a tv or xbox so their mommy can watch regis and kelly, chat on the phone and yell at them because they are not tidy enough.
The point is, i agree that some people just shouldn't be parents. The problem is you can't even discuss taking away someone's right to bring a young life into this world (and ruin it) without bringing out the lefties who feel that everyone has rights, no one has responsibilities.

 

[OTBn]

licensing parenting? - a thought/comment some have when we balance society’s requirements for licensing or permits for so many of the privileges of today… balanced against the all too many examples of what appear like dysfunction breeding dysfunction in an ever descending spiral… usually it’s a thought/comment born out of frustration in seeing wasted or unfulfilled or non-contributing or selfish individuals and concerns for their progeny.

few take the thought/comment seriously, save an advocate for sterilization… uhhh, reversible… so long as you meet “some definition” of earning parenting privileges determined by “someone”. Oh really – I had thought eugenics and social Darwinism had been thoroughly discredited.

I've been saying that they should figure out a way to do a reversible sterilization on everyone at puberty and then undo it if you earn the priviledge of being a parent.

 

[CJ Tylers]

I thought a knee jerk liberal raised taxes, reduced benefits, and hands out to friends of theirs?

As for parents needing a license, it sounds about right... funny, it used to be called "marriage"

 

[classycarly]

Of course this would assume that the parents have values to pass on![/QUOTE]

Now on to your original post. Rather then license parents they should be given more tools to assist them to raise their children. Because of the high price of living in many cities, should their be more financial assistance to allow the mother or father to stay home longer with the child to better pass on their values.

I agree somewhat with that, however what about the people who you give more tools to that still do nothing constructive because they don't see a problem or any need to change their ways. If you gave them more money, some would just spend it on more partying. I realize that alot of parents would benefit from extra help, but there are still those it wouldn't help at all because they don't want the help. What do we do about them? Do we allow them too propegate the vicious cycle or do we as a society intervene? On the other side of the coin, who says society knows what to do, there's alot of messed up morons controlling it.

Of course this would assume that the parents have values to pass on!

Another good thought there. So who then teaches the values to the children? If the children don't learn values, will they will grow up to continue the circle the generations before started? Very few will be able to break the cycle I think.

I've debated that whole "give more money to people so one can stay at home thing" to death with some liberal friends of mine. It sounds like a great idea. The problem is, a lot of these people would be terrible parents. The kids are better off beind raised in a healthy fun environment like a daycare than being shoved in front of a tv or xbox so their mommy can watch regis and kelly, chat on the phone and yell at them because they are not tidy enough.
The point is, i agree that some people just shouldn't be parents. The problem is you can't even discuss taking away someone's right to bring a young life into this world (and ruin it) without bringing out the lefties who feel that everyone has rights, no one has responsibilities.

I agree with some kids being better off than when with their parents. Those are the people I'm talking about. The problem with today's society is that so many people accept no accountability and yet want all the perks and handouts. I don't think people should have the right to ruin anothers life, (in this case, their children). But then the question arises....who gets to be the one who decides who should get licensed and who shouldn't? What if the people in control have hidden agendas? If only it were a simple fix, but it's not and I think we will always struggle with the thought and idea of forcing people to be responsible, even when they don't want to be.

few take the thought/comment seriously, save an advocate for sterilization… uhhh, reversible… so long as you meet “some definition” of earning parenting privileges determined by “someone”. Oh really – I had thought eugenics and social Darwinism had been thoroughly discredited.

[/QUOTE]

Yes....a real dilemma.....at the risk of sounding cliche, who watches the watchers????

As for parents needing a license, it sounds about right... funny, it used to be called "marriage"

LMAO, that was pretty funny....... and pretty true. However lots of married people still shouldn't be allowed to have kids, but it does make it a little easier to cope when you have a partner to help. (unless the partner is just as whacked as the other person.

 

[jjinvan]

JESUS EFFEN CHRIST... can NO thread be safe from the lefty comments ??

It's getting a tad old.

I agree.. the communist drivel spouted by the resident lefties is getting a tad old, but hey, I do believe in free speech, so all we can do is hope that one day they wake up and realize that there is no such thing as a communist utopia.

 

[furball8]

license?

Parent license? When does the season open?

 

[SethBrundle]

2 cents

While I agree with the idea that a lot of people today are having children irresponsibly I think the thought of licensing would be getting into dangerous territory. Like mentioned before who would decide the criteria that needs to be meet, the rich, the powerful? What would those criteria be? Do you have to make a certain amount of money, belong to a certain religious group, or maybe be a certain skin color? To me it is a kind of eugenics and it could very easily spiral out of control.

 

[dexi]

There is a system that allows unfit parents to have their children taken from them. Those are the checks and balances. They're not perfect, but what is?

You can't accidently catch a fish, start a business, or drive a car. Hence, those are enforceable.

Anyway, I doubt very much if the parenting license proposed would weed out parents who would spoil their children, making them grow into narcissistic, self-obsessed assholes with a deep sense of entitlement. Nor would it screen out the parents who let their kids run wild in the grocery store. How do you screen for that?

Um, would you let your kids run around in public, being bothersome to others?

Oh no, of course not!

Alright then, you're good to go.

 

[Bartdude]

I agree.. the communist drivel spouted by the resident lefties is getting a tad old, but hey, I do believe in free speech, so all we can do is hope that one day they wake up and realize that there is no such thing as a communist utopia.

I see the resident fascist bigot moron is at it again.

Here's a thought......

 

[Sir_frixalot]

Parents have to give their children the tools to SURVIVE in the world. If the world is full of self-absorbed useless morons then maybe those skills are useful... A respectful, nice kid might not survive in today's world... who knows..? BUt kids who OWN their parents have no future...

I teach my kids the old ways and the new ways. Metric (goddam french* system) and Imperial (rockin' english system). Right and Wrong. They will have to decide which ones work the best, but the more you teach them the better, just make sure you tell them why it is that way. But in some cases ignorance is bliss - let them find out some things on their own...

Just like when oil runs out - who will survive, some african tribesman who can get by on next to nothing - $200/year - or WE who need so many resources... Sure, we can outsmart almost everyone on the planet, but if we are killing each other over the last barrel of oil, well, they will have the last laugh - our DNA will cease to propagate and theirs will.



* no disrespect to the French, just that metric sucks, and the only reason we switched is political...

 

[jjinvan]

Resorting to creative editing to spew your crap now I see... how incredibly amusing and original of you JJ.

You're such a fool.

OTBn taught me that trick

 

[LittleAsianGuy]

Many people i know dont even have a stable job or decent living conditions. They only seem to care about themselves and they keep on popping out kids. They usually live off the govt assistant or relatives

Parents have to give their children the tools to SURVIVE in the world. If the world is full of self-absorbed useless morons then maybe those skills are useful..

 

[Nickthenoob]

Parent licence... where did you read that from?

Nick

 

[Naughty Nadia]

IMO, a parenting "license" is completely unworkable.

For one thing, how would you enforce it? Force unlicensed people to have abortions? Have them sterilized at puberty and then reverse it if they are "approved"? Sounds very 1984'ish to me

Look at cultural values as well. Not only are there vast differences now, but look at the past. If it existed in Hitler's Germany and they won, guess we would all be blond haired and blue eyed. During the 1910's-1950's, well there wouldn't be many black people around. Native reservation camps? Wouldn't have been needed for long. Interracial or interfaith marriages producing children? Not in many parts of the world right now.

The people in power would obviously be the ones deciding the criteria, and that would always be different depending on who was in power. South Africa after apartheid? "Hah! We'll show those British bastards!"

My other thought is: Not all children follow the paths of their parents. I certainly didn't. Many children rise above their upbringings to do amazing things in this world. I always liked these examples:

A. If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already (some versions say 5 kids, some say 14), three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, (some versions of this story say that one of the siblings was in a mental institution) and she had syphilis (some versions say tuberculosis and some also say that the father was sick with sniffles), would you recommend that she have an abortion?

B. A poor black family in the South is expecting a fifth child. This family, because of its skin color, already has difficulty receiving help and are already at the bare minimum poverty level. The outlook for their present children does not look bright. Abortion or Not?

Answer Yes and:

A. You've just killed Beethoven

B. You've just killed Martin Luther King

Switch that around to being "unlicensed", and how many geniuses would the world lose?

Ok I'm WAY too chatty when I first wake up LOL.