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Ref: Images of security, city staff photographing 2 men sleeping on Thunder Bay, Ont., bench spark outrage | CBC News
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder-bay/tbay-transit-photos-spark-outrage-1.6000018
Its obvious by taking the pictures (of 2 asummed homeless aborginals) that the security guards are violating the assumed homeless peoples rights.


Shawanamash-Ignace said the culture must change.

"Somebody [has] to take responsibility for their actions."


The question is whose culture has to change?
 

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Manufactured outrage from the CBC.
1) Did they consent to the photos?
2) Are you saying its ok because they're indigenous, possibly homeless or both in your opinion?
3) Are you willing to subject yourself to the same treatment, including the systematic destruction of your ancestors culture, and abuse at the hands of the prevailing society and be recorded for their amusement?
 
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The question you should ask is "did the police officers that shot black men in the last couple of years consent to having themselve filmed"? So I'm pretty sure those videos were used as evidence of wrong doing.
They were both (the police officers and the 2 men on the bench) in a public place and doing what our society would considered a " wrong doing".

It is unaceptable to most of the public for anyone to be drunk/intoxicated in public. But it happens...

If I'm mistaken please correct me but Shawanamash-Ignac looks like an aboriginal name. So:
1. Shawanamash-Ignac see men/people on benches drunk all the time and thinks its normal
2. Shawanamash-Ignac is ashamed that her boy had to see them
3. Shawanamash-Ignac dosen't have a clue that the men are breaking Canadian Law
4. Shawanamash-Ignac believes her people are above any Canadian Law
5. Shawanamash-Ignac is disgusted on how white people treat aboriginals; and white men shouldn't take pictures of them when they are down and passed out, or they are drunk and acting up, and causing a scene.

Not only are the Thunder Bay Police force racist, but the city counsil and city managers are too. After all they just can't send all those aboriginals back to their reservations in northern Ontario. I would say that half the aboriginal poplulation in Thunder Bay is not from the local tribe/area (its the only major city in the area and has a well equiped hospital). There fore the city has a problem with vagrants who are aboriginals from other areas of northern Ontario. But it is not polically correct to say that.

So yes the article is a manufactured piss pot of journalism....
After all they would give both sides of the story and print whatever pictures were taken.......
 
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1) Did they consent to the photos?
2) Are you saying its ok because they're indigenous, possibly homeless or both in your opinion?
3) Are you willing to subject yourself to the same treatment, including the systematic destruction of your ancestors culture, and abuse at the hands of the prevailing society and be recorded for their amusement?
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The question you should ask is "did the police officers that shot black men in the last couple of years consent to having themselve filmed"? So I'm pretty sure those videos were used as evidence of wrong doing.
They were both (the police officers and the 2 men on the bench) in a public place and doing what our society would considered a " wrong doing".

It is unaceptable to most of the public for anyone to be drunk/intoxicated in public. But it happens...

If I'm mistaken please correct me but Shawanamash-Ignac looks like an aboriginal name. So:
1. Shawanamash-Ignac see men/people on benches drunk all the time and thinks its normal
2. Shawanamash-Ignac is ashamed that her boy had to see them
3. Shawanamash-Ignac dosen't have a clue that the men are breaking Canadian Law
4. Shawanamash-Ignac believes her people are above any Canadian Law
5. Shawanamash-Ignac is disgusted on how white people treat aboriginals; and white men shouldn't take pictures of them when they are down and passed out, or they are drunk and acting up, and causing a scene.

Not only are the Thunder Bay Police force racist, but the city counsil and city managers are too. After all they just can't send all those aboriginals back to their reservations in northern Ontario. I would say that half the aboriginal poplulation in Thunder Bay is not from the local tribe/area (its the only major city in the area and has a well equiped hospital). There fore the city has a problem with vagrants who are aboriginals from other areas of northern Ontario. But it is not polically correct to say that.

So yes the article is a manufactured piss pot of journalism....
After all they would give both sides of the story and print whatever pictures were taken.......
Your bias is reflected in your response, but having gone through some of your posts on site C and taxation I can tell which way you lean.

At best the 'crime' was a nuissance crime, but you've gone ahead and conflated it with murder.

Did the article say anything about intoxication? You seem to assume beacause of their race that thay are intoxicated.

Thunder bay is know for rascism in its governement services as well https://www.aptnnews.ca/national-news/racism-4/

The figure you pull about 1/2 of the aboriginal poulation being from elsewhere is unsupported and kind of funny given that all our anceators are from elsewhere and we're on native land..in many cases unconceeded territories and or land taken contrary to treaties established at the time.

Finally the point you seem to try to raise about the aboriginal community being treated with kids gloves - We fucked them over and instilled a legacy of abuse into their family structures that perputates itself through multiple generations. We ought to be providing counselling, therapy, support and financial aid to this marginalized community as long as its needed.
 

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Just because the aboringinals were fucked over in the past, doesn't excuse bad behaviour on their part in the present. Being Drunk on a public bench is one of those bad behaviours. Every one feels so sorry for them, and excuse them for their bad behaviour, and let them get away with shit.

What is more stupid is a CBC report of how an Aboringinal views white men, taking pictures of her fellow Aboringinals passed out on a bench. There is no question they are passed out. why, because most Aboringinals if drunk would try to attack the picture takers. But Hey I could be wrong, now I would love to see those picture that were taken... After all a pictures worth a thousand words...... Maybe they are homeless Aboringinals and the local tribe hasn't taken them in yet!!

Thunder Bay has a big hospital and medical care system, the northern reserves do not have. Aboringinals go to Thunder Bay for treatment, and some never leave because of the better pickings. The same thing happens in Wnnipeg, Aboringinals go there for treatment, and some never leave. The local bands usually don't take them in.

I can't blame police to have systematic racism, after dealing with individuals/Aboriginals for years on end. drunk and disorderly.... you eventually start to not feel for them. After over 170 years you fiquire they shouldn't or wouldn't get drunk....

Lets talk about the teen sucide rate on reserves.... kids aren't dumb, most live with relatives because the parents have problems (drug or alcohol), they look at whats going on around them in the community and don't see a future in it for themselves.

Lets talk about the Highway of Tears: Most murders are committed by someone they know. So the reality of who is murdering these Aboringinal women is over 90% likely an Aboringinal. Not some white trucker serial killer (although that might be true too). That whole commision by the federal government was done to allow the familes to cry on the goverments shoulder. The reality is now of the victims family do not trust the RCMP enought to tell them any related facts about their missing person; and therefore no suspect was found.

You see the cycle of mistrust between the white government/men and the Aboringinals.

Your taxes (over 8 billion of it a year (2014)) goes to Aboringnals. Its not all included in the Crown–Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs Canada,
some of it come from other federal governement agencies. The last few year there has been increased spending for Aboringinals.

https://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/DAM/D...-text/fin_overview_2014_1406217230189_eng.pdf only 2014
https://www.budget.gc.ca/2021/report-rapport/p3-en.html#chap8 check chart 8.1,

This is how much more they are spending on Aboringinals. The dip in the graph around 2012/14 is the years of the Harper government when they put a squash down on payment to Northern Affairs, asking for accountability on where the money goes. Trudeau came in and in 2019 the department is budgeted for over 20 billion... The problem is that no matter how much money the Canadian Government spends on Aboringinals, it will never be enough for them. Any infrastructure they get, eventually it will get worn down due to lack of maintenance or damaged beyond use and expect the government to give them a new toy to destroy.

My bias is how much tax money goes to them. And they need to be accountable for the money given them. A smart tribe or reserve makes sure their kids go to school, finish high school and go on to free university education. Usually the chief and some cronies spend the money on their projects. Have to guess a few of them have bank accounts in tax havens while their reserve sorely needs a water treatment center....

If the Canadian public really wanted to fuck the Aboringinals over, they would cancel the treaties, tell all the Aboringinals they can all be Canadian Citizen, and now they will have to pay land taxes and income tax; just like everyother Canadian Citizen..

STOP PAYING THE ABORINGINALS MONEY. STOP ENABLING THEM....... and maybe someday the federal government will have a balanced budget.
 

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lol wow I guess people really don't care about being full-on racists behind screens of anonymity

If you're an employee on the clock, the question is very simple. What is the process when you find adults passed out on a bench? Is it "take out phone and take pictures of those adults"? If it isn't, then I think it's fair to question the motive of these pictures being taken. No more, no less.
 

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Just a few bad apples, gives everyone else a bad name. I wonder why?

When most people think of Aboringinals the sterotypic thing they thing about is "drunk" , passed out on a bench..... Kind of like in this case.

Dosen't mean Aboringinals are all drunks, but past performances have set this sterotype for Aboringinals....

When any person talks about bad things a group of people do, or is not in popular culture(or within the accepted way to look at things), the first thing people pull up is that "racist" crap. Using the word racist, or implying that someone is racist; most people will back down.

Part of the Aboringinal culture is to "count coup" . Ref:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counting_coup

My interpretation is: How far can an Aboringinal push you.....

Now think about overall strategy, what do Aboringinals want.....
 
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