Ritual play?

[Miss Kittie]

Hi - just curious if anyone has tried this type of play. I am an eclectic spiritualist and I use the teachings I have while in session from time to time (if I sense someone may be interested in it - I mention that I do this kind of session).

In theory - and this is entirely my own thoughts - I believe that ritual work can be influenced by BDSM and vice versa. To me, power and control - especially in the context of Women - is very strong while doing ritual work. Why not harness that power and direct it?

I have had some experience in this avenue and want some feed back as to what others may think about it.

Typically I open my ritual in the same way a 'Witch' does - Drawing Down the Moon and asking for the Standing Stones to be present for protection. For those that do not know - this is a very old tradition steeped in female power and energy - it’s all cyclical in nature and follows a very old path. In essence it is something that, to me, cannot be put into words. The end result is usually the same - a very powerful experience for both the Top and the bottom.

I tend to use candle wax as I build energy to for the circle and then Draw Down the Moon and (if my bottom/sub/slave is male I use extreme sensations to build him up then instruct him to Draw Down the Sun - male energy). Intense! It is somewhat like sacrifice in a way – again, hard to explain.

Ok - I feel as if I've said too much (or maybe not enough?) - so...

If anyone has anything to add to this or suggestions or questions, please do - all I ask is that you have respect - we have mentioned several times in many threads - "To each their own"

Be well!

 

[CODe333]

How weird that you bring this up as it's one of the things I've been thinking about - a lot. I was an adept in a black magic society (many there were or had been satanists and witches). A few were also into fetish, though that played no role in the groups rituals. The power of kink combined with spiritual or magikal ritual could be a profound, transformative vehicle. My own interest in the feminine divine and the feminine daemonic (please note the spelling!) is part of the reason I am attracted to BDSM (privately I'm something of a devotee to dark feminine energy and transgressive action). It's not my intention to mix the BDSM and ritual except possibly as a special arrangement with a group of like minded people (very strange things can take place in these settings - as you likely know - especially if there's a person present having transrational capabilities). This stuff is Jung on acid! (And nothing like what Hollywood or religious folks say about it).

BTW, have you ever read any of these titles:

"Philosophy in the Dungeon: The Magic of Sex and Spirit" by Jack Rinella

"Dark Moon Rising: Pagan BDSM & the Ordeal Path"
by Raven Kaldera

"Demos of the flesh: the complete guide to left hand path sex magic" by Nikolas and Zeena Schreck

Sorry if I jumped on your thread but it is so timely to me. Would love to hear more. People are gonna think I'm a complete loon, but from experience I can say that this stuff is powerful and wonderful for those willing to do the work.

But maybe this is way off from what you're talking about. If so feel free to redirect the thread away from my rant.

CODe333

 

[papillion]

Ritual Play

I've done religious role play in BDSM sessions, they're SO DELICIOUSLY FUN!; never have used wiccan rituals but that sounds hot

 

[Small pleasures]

Hmm..

Hello Ms Kittie,

i knew a Dominant who would like to dress as either a nun or priest (Her nun outfit fooled me until i realized She had latex on underneath) and hear my confession. She would do the whole catholic confessional and communion thing. And i am not even catholic or religious myself but She was, i guess. Then W/we would launch into repenting for my sins.

just my .02

van '92

Van, I have a feeling this is NOT what Miss Kittie meant, but I like it. A lot. I've always been turned on by nuns and priests. Did you see Miss Jasmine's pic in the nun outfit?
Sometimes I ask clients if they've done anything to be punished for. If they're tight lipped I ask if they've run a red light or had impure thoughts. Everybody's guilty of something *grin*.

 

[Miss Kittie]

thank you for the replies

I hope that people will continue to post with their thoughts/feelings/or experiences on this matter as it is very close to my heart.

CODe333 - You hit the nail right on the head with what I was getting at and appreciate your feedback on this matter.

Again - Women are life givers, we carry much power and it wasn't until patriachy that the world changed for the worst.

In the old days Women were respected, honored and LISTENED to. Women gave the orders and all was well.

My intensions are very clear - I am a feminist, Dominant and powerful Woman with a very sweet and nurturing side, aswell and I will use my power to start the change that is very badly needed to heal our world.

Much like white blood cells come to a wound to heal broken fleash - so too is the power of Women - we need to band together for this be effective.

This is the power that is present in such rituals - a Woman's inate power. I feel that BDSM can be a great tool for that power to manifest, as well.

As for vancouver1992 comment - that just plain sounds fun and hot!

I am a Witch - and I intend to use it! hehehehe

oh and papillion - yes it IS hot - very HOT! The energy can be somewhat explained as fire - burning, hot, intense energy that can both harm and heal.

Keep the posts coming and...

ever mind the rule of 3 - what you send out comes back to thee...

P.S. Yes Miss T we all have wicked sides

 

[CODe333]

I apologize in advance that this posting is likely too long, a little too much on the serious side. I find this thread on ritual play so very interesting but it also makes me reflective.

I too am a witch of sorts (of a satanic, dark-path, left-hand path, variety - also very enamoured of the northern tradition, especially of the norse and anglo-saxon variety – love rune work!). I get some flack from friends and family whose views are informed largely by modernist, academic and scientific perspectives. I value rational and scientific discourse but have always felt in additional a strong commitment to pre-rational and trans-rational aspects of consciousness and reality too. For this reason I have studied witchcraft, esoteric traditions and left-hand path approaches to spirituality. I especially love to study relevant, ancient texts in the original languages when possible. I have read fairly widely in the history, philosophy and practice of these things. I am NOT a scholar or specialist by any means. Nor am I in the scene to promote these views. I suspect Miss Kittie that you and I would agree on some matters and disagree significantly on others. I have expressed my positive view of feminism elsewhere in the Feminist thread in the Lounge, so I won’t expand on that here.

I think when it comes to history and anthropology it is wisest to hold ideology at arms length and let the evidence speak for itself as much as possible. I suspect you would agree. I don’t think we should privilege any one view or view any particular epoch or approach as ideal. Human beings and human societies have all seemingly evidenced pathologies regardless of how patriarchal or matriarchal they were or weren’t. Human sacrifice, for example, was as common among matriarchal societies as it was among patriarchal societies. In fact it was during the earth-mother period that human sacrifice developed (i.e. it pre-dates civilization, agriculture, and patriarchy). I do realize, too, that these points are often hotly debated among scholars and devotees alike. That said, the “testosterone factor” has played a much larger role in the hands-on department in areas like violence, dominance and oppression. Sad but true, I fear. I think we would both agree that for most of recorded history women have been little more than chattel. (The prehistoric evidence is much more challenging to assess but the picture emerging doesn’t seem to present a very flattering picture of humanity either). During the last 10,000 years of history rape, slavery and abuse were often the norm. Women’s spirituality was frequently oppressed and almost universally ignored and devalued. That the aspirations, achievements and greatness of half of humanity has been so thoroughly disregarded should, IMHO, be a cause of deep sadness and contrition for all, especially men. I, of course, can only take responsibility for what I’ve done, but I can also refuse to justify past abuses and make the choice to hear other voices, especially those of women. Balance absolutely requires that we hear the authentic voice of women (which, I’m sure, is as varied, interesting, and as prone to error as that of men). I’d love to hear the views of others on this point (though it may side track this thread for a while).

I hope it comes as no surprise (and as no offence) that my own practice is keenly focused on the feminine divine and the feminine daemonic. Just as surely as I have had to come to terms with my own genetic propensities and pathologies, I have also had to acknowledge that the font of the feminine in my own person is too small for me to gain anything like an adequate understanding of the larger issues surrounding the expression and reality of the feminine in the world. For that I need to actually learn from women. I can only offer the occasional service of my own unrepentant maleness in return for this great gift of the Goddess. I hope one day to offer genuine fealty to the dark goddess in a manner truly befitting her stature as the creator and destroyer of life. Naturally no one female can fully reflect this feminine reality any more than any one man can reflect the male aspect of the larger reality. Ultimately both aspects (male and female) are transcended in the Absolute, or so it seems to me. How can we really know?

Okay, that’s the serious bit. As to the topic at hand (namely ritual and play) I have to say that the current resurgence of feminine energy on planet earth is a joy for me to behold. I truly believe it is the single most vital trend of our time. Maybe it’s just me. Still, I believe that it is essential to our survival. I don’t mind taking a ribbing for saying this because I truly believe it. What is enacted in a scene or in the ritual chamber is only a tiny part of that grand emergence but it’s so nice to have a venue for male and female energies to mingle in a mutually pleasurable way. Possibly testosterone can be significantly tamed by this (or, rather balanced out). It’s certainly much more fun and productive now that it’s happening. There’s healing and joy here that cannot come about any other way, IMHO. Personally I find women’s fantasies (especially the dark stuff) so much more interesting than anything I can dream up. It’s a revelation. That this stream of consciousness is available for play and ritual is a truly wonderful development. Some caution is at times in order, however, because the forces invoked can have a real if unpredictable effect.

My remarks are of course from the perspective of one lone hetero male. I’d love for others to speak to this issue.

 

[cuteeboy]

My Interest is Peaking

I have not been involved in a session like this but you have certaining got my interest. I am looking forward to hearing more and possibly trying a session some day.

cuteeboy

 

[sinfulsydnee]

You've captured my attention as well

I too am very interested in this area - incorporating ritual into play does sound like something that I would love...I tend to become rather spiritual in play as it is...how would a novice go about getting started....I am sourcing the books CODe333 mentioned in his post already, however I am not the most patient person in the world...instant gratification is not what I'm looking for either though...so...hmm...suggestions?

 

[CODe333]

I too am very interested in this area - incorporating ritual into play does sound like something that I would love...I tend to become rather spiritual in play as it is...how would a novice go about getting started....I am sourcing the books CODe333 mentioned in his post already, however I am not the most patient person in the world...instant gratification is not what I'm looking for either though...so...hmm...suggestions?

The books I mentioned are only suggestions and may be a little heavy for designing play. They are good reading for informing yourself about the possibilities that exist for integrating various types of sexual practice (e.g. BDSM) with pagan spiritual practice. Not everyone's cup of tea I suspect. Unfortunately the three books I mention are also very difficult to obtain.

I too will be interested to hear from others how they've proceded in utilizing ritual in play. I'm sure too there must be some lighter more playful titles on this subject. Here's hopin' someone responds!

Miss Kitty, any ideas?

CODe333

 

[Miss Kittie]

Just got back from holidays...

Good to see this thread gained some speed and others have interest.

It sometimes seems as though we are the only ones with the thoughts in our heads about any given subject and, in a way that is correct.

It is when we can band together to give suggestions, comments and help that things can make a little more sense. We can sometimes forget that we are human - just like every other human, too - with strengths and weaknesses.

If we are to come together instead of fight and bicker - that’s a perfect world and I strive for perfection.

If anyone loves Startrek I would consider myself very much like the Borg - haha... what a costume that would be for play (getting side tracked - but there’s a point there somewhere).

I adore people’s imaginations, fetishes, dreams and fantasies - I WANT and NEED to hear of them to cultivate my own and give it and there’s life.

Once it is out there in the 'real' world it gets its own kind of life.

However - I am a very holistic person and no one way is right for anyone...

In terms of books to read and such - I have none, except to mention

"The Chalice and the Blade" - by Riane Eisler

for history - this book does not get much into BDSM and play, but rather gives a bit of a history lesson.

Also to mention - I am eclectic in my spirituality - what works for me is usually a melding of many things, all with symbolism that corresponds to my personal being and I believe that we each have our own. Typically I follow Celtic and BC coastal First Nations beliefs - both pertaining to the old ways or the cycles.

I too, am very much in tune with runic script and I also follow numbers (however I am dyslexic - which is funny considering - but math cannot lie, rather it is in human error that we can get the 'wrong' mathematical answers).

Please feel free to keep adding and if you have questions, post them here for others and myself to answer (always remember that everyone has their own points to make) or go right ahead and PM me or email me. I am a helper...

mistress_kittie@hotmail.com

Ask questions - who knows what answers you can gain. Be well!

 

[Miss Kittie]

Just HAD to ask...

I see many people have looked at this post - but a handful have responded...

What's going on here - are you shy/curious/no idea what to add?



Don't be shy - curious is good - and again, there's nothing wrong with asking questions.

Be well!