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Uh nope.....I dont feel "oppressed" about that.....what I feel "oppressed" about is the Political Correctness that has swarmed Western Society over the last few decades and it is utterly disgusting in what it has lead to with regards to Society in general as well as the POS Snowflake generation.
Much like the guy you quoted to disbarrage me you missed the POINT of what I was saying.Back in say 1978 words like "fag" etc were not meant as identifiers of people so they could be subjected to scorn and the like....it was a "catch all" type of thing.....just like running down a guy's mother for the sake of it even though it was not true.
People's collective skins have gotten far to thin and all thanks to Political Correctness.....which is a Liberal Doctrine.
Damn glad I dont have kids in the Lieberal brain washing education system that exists these days.
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What you decry as political correctness is simply society becoming more polite and respectful of each other, and accepting our differences rather than vilifying someone for being different. It isn't a bad thing to have people stop acting in a boorish manner.
Political correctness is a progressive philosophy, and the opposite of being progressive is to be regressive. Some are proud to be regressive. That's ok too. You be you.
Political correctness is a progressive philosophy, and the opposite of being progressive is to be regressive. Some are proud to be regressive. That's ok too. You be you.
another thing I don't get,
as a coffee shop owner,
is it racism if you ask a person in your coffee shop to leave, when they haven't bought anything
many signs I have read, washrooms are for customers only.
it costs me money, to keep the doors, open,
do I not have the right to ask people to leave when there not spending any money,,,
I don't think im a racist, but I don't get it,
can some one explain it to me.
as a coffee shop owner,
is it racism if you ask a person in your coffee shop to leave, when they haven't bought anything
many signs I have read, washrooms are for customers only.
it costs me money, to keep the doors, open,
do I not have the right to ask people to leave when there not spending any money,,,
I don't think im a racist, but I don't get it,
can some one explain it to me.
As a teen in the mid 70s I said a lot of mean and hateful things- not the least of which was 'fag'.
Moving into adulthood it became quite clear this was not acceptable.
Most of us grow up and get the bigger picture.
Some are forever stuck in the past.
Moving into adulthood it became quite clear this was not acceptable.
Most of us grow up and get the bigger picture.
Some are forever stuck in the past.
Ok, I had intended to leave this thread alone but this one I can answer, because it's really straight forward:
If you're talking about the Starbucks incident, the reason it was perceived as racist is that it was a double standard. People constantly loiter in a coffee shop, on laptops or whatever. They're usually left alone. These two guys were not there long, just waiting for their friend to show up and said so, and yet were told to leave. When they stuck around because they thought this was unreasonable treatment, the police were called. They were not unruly and the friend they were waiting for even showed up but the police/Starbucks didn't back down. It's objectively an unreasonable response.
It's a simple truth that in many places in the US, black people are assumed suspicious and the police are called. There are numerous examples in the last month: police called on black tenants of an AirBnB because the neighbour thought they "looked suspicious" (but couldn't explain how), police called on a black property inspector evaluating a house for sale, police called on a bunch of black people using a public barbecue, police called by a neighbour on a black guy moving into his apartment (with a claim he was robbing it).
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Maybe it has more to do with the world being more educated on the damage these words can do. Just because you weren't offended by the word doesn't mean the majority of others weren't. Society evolves and learns over time right ?
There is a long history of things that people thought were "ok" only to realize over time they weren't.
The person on the receiving end is the one whose feelings matter.
They might even laugh it off in the playground, but cry all night at home.
Lots of adults carry baggage from childhood all their lives. It can ruin them.
people that loiter at coffee shops,
usually at least buy one coffee don't they, im sure they would, and do.
if I was the owner of a coffee shop, some guy using my free wifi, he would at least have to buy a coffee,
or he would get the boot, I wouldn't give a shit who he is,
it costs money to simply turn the lights on,
usually at least buy one coffee don't they, im sure they would, and do.
if I was the owner of a coffee shop, some guy using my free wifi, he would at least have to buy a coffee,
or he would get the boot, I wouldn't give a shit who he is,
it costs money to simply turn the lights on,
Not necessarily, no. There was a place near where I lived a few years ago that was always packed with students. Plenty of laptops in sight, some without a cup in sight, or three people where only one is a customer. Or one person who bought a coffee two hours ago and is now reading a newspaper next to an empty cup. And yes, I felt bad for the owner (and annoyed there was nowhere for paying customers to sit) and while you might treat the customers equally, the people in question did not. Hence racial bias. It's not a hard concept.
By the way, in your hypothetical coffee shop, if you said to some customers, "are you going to buy anything?" and they said "I'm meeting my friend here for coffee. He'll be here in a few minutes," what would you do?
I have many times met someone at a café or restaurant and arrived a few minutes early and just sat there waiting for my other party to arrive before eating/drinking because the intent was to do so together. I consider it rude to start before the other person. I've even asked to use the washroom while I wait. No one has ever hassled me. I'm shocked you don't see how weird it is that the police were called on these guys.
you know the word
tribalism keeps coming up,
what the fuck are we, in the jungles of Africa, or running across the plains in Canada hundreds of thousands of years ago,
it is because these people say yes were all equal but, im black and im a women or im gay, or im native and gay and a women
you can't say were all equal, but im native and gay or a black women
a few university professor's have chimed in on this and it leads to tribalism, us against them,
its a step backwards. we are all equal end of story, not were all equal but im native,
it leads to an us against them mentality, it leads to tribes, groups.
you know most people are pretty good, but there is always some fucking ass hole right, there just is.
and if he is part of your tribe, he is part of your tribe, so were going to defend him, were going to stick with him,
even if he is a fucking ass hole, he is one of us, so we defend him,
even if he is fucking wrong were going to stick by him,
I have seen that,
im mixing with a group of dark skin people all happy and getting on, right,
some ass hole comes in and singles me out, because im the only white guy in the group,.
and none of the other dark skin people have the fucking guts to carry on like before,
this one prick changes the whole dynamics of the group.
I have seen that time and time again,
to be non racists you have to be totally colour blind, religious and sexual orientation blind to it all
we are all equal end of discussion period.
tribalism keeps coming up,
what the fuck are we, in the jungles of Africa, or running across the plains in Canada hundreds of thousands of years ago,
it is because these people say yes were all equal but, im black and im a women or im gay, or im native and gay and a women
you can't say were all equal, but im native and gay or a black women
a few university professor's have chimed in on this and it leads to tribalism, us against them,
its a step backwards. we are all equal end of story, not were all equal but im native,
it leads to an us against them mentality, it leads to tribes, groups.
you know most people are pretty good, but there is always some fucking ass hole right, there just is.
and if he is part of your tribe, he is part of your tribe, so were going to defend him, were going to stick with him,
even if he is a fucking ass hole, he is one of us, so we defend him,
even if he is fucking wrong were going to stick by him,
I have seen that,
im mixing with a group of dark skin people all happy and getting on, right,
some ass hole comes in and singles me out, because im the only white guy in the group,.
and none of the other dark skin people have the fucking guts to carry on like before,
this one prick changes the whole dynamics of the group.
I have seen that time and time again,
to be non racists you have to be totally colour blind, religious and sexual orientation blind to it all
we are all equal end of discussion period.
I don't see the issue at all
maybe its where I go for coffee,
there is security all over the place,
there is a large percentage of homeless people that just hang out in the downtown area,
and the malls and every big store is crawling with security
the homeless are mostly white,
and I assure you they are told to move on. there are signs all over washrooms for customers only, time limits on how long you can sit.
yes a guy in a suit, is not looked on the same, as someone that looks rough
but wasn\t there a coffee shop in van that banned cell phones and lab tops at least on the weekends.
it is the owners right,
I pay for lights I pay for staff, I pay for wifi,
im sure if some guy, slipped on the floor he would get a lawyer and sue my ass.
even if he bought any thing or not.
fuck that money is money,
you can't have two cups of coffee if your waiting for someone.
maybe its where I go for coffee,
there is security all over the place,
there is a large percentage of homeless people that just hang out in the downtown area,
and the malls and every big store is crawling with security
the homeless are mostly white,
and I assure you they are told to move on. there are signs all over washrooms for customers only, time limits on how long you can sit.
yes a guy in a suit, is not looked on the same, as someone that looks rough
but wasn\t there a coffee shop in van that banned cell phones and lab tops at least on the weekends.
it is the owners right,
I pay for lights I pay for staff, I pay for wifi,
im sure if some guy, slipped on the floor he would get a lawyer and sue my ass.
even if he bought any thing or not.
fuck that money is money,
you can't have two cups of coffee if your waiting for someone.
I'm going to try this one last time because you seem to be missing my point:
You may treat everyone equal. The coffee shop you may frequent may treat everyone equal. They didn't. That was the problem.
If they kick out all the loiterers: ok. If they kick none of them out: ok. If they kick out only the black loiterers: not ok.
Is this clear enough yet?
I would say there is some evidence that trump is a racist. Likes to denigrate Mexicans and Central Americans in the name of border security.
well im not aware of the whole circumstance,
are you,
like how long were they there, etc, etc
and is that true, whites its ok if you hang around, blacks not.
but yes, on the face of your argument, a white guy and a black guy, one can sit and not buy anything the other can not, its racism...
but still there is more to the story,
like I said I will go and buy a coffee downtown today im white, I will sit down check my phone no one will hassle me,
im a white homeless bum, security has eyes on.
we are both white.
yet if it was a black guy the security guys were watching they would scream racial profiling
im not saying the coffee shop is right or wrong, well I am kind of but I want to know more,
a couple weeks ago, in the sun, an article.
over the last week three black people got on face book, crying and protesting and making all kinds of allegations about a routine traffic stop,
that the police abused them racial profiled them and in one case claimed sexual abuse,
one person was a pastor, the head or a member of the local naacp, all good people
the police released tapes of the body cams the cops were wearing it was all bull shit. it was all bull shit. the cops were as polite and respectful as could be,
I had a disagreement with a black female customer at work, oh a couple of months ago,
the first thing she does is take out her phone and starts recording the incident, and trying to escalate it.
and I am not making this shit up.
hbo there is a documentary on a police stop in Austin Texas,, the first thing that comes out of the ladies month
is, are the cameras on
a lady in Red Deer was recorded in a restaurant going off on some racial rant, she was drunk,
she insists that is not the whole story she was baited and taunted.
you don't think they do that on purpose,
so they can get some poor white guy making a fool of him self on the six o'clock news.
unfortunately there are enough white guys around they don't have to bait, and some of us are stupid enough to take the bait.
but you don't think that happens in todays climate.
what about that m.p. Chavis something or other who keeps on getting into it with max,
you don't think she is trying to push his buttons, with all this white entitlement crap
I don't know anything about her but I would bet she is as black and as entitled as they come.
all im saying is there is more to the story,
don't believe everything you read in the newspaper.
and we live in an age were we have to tip toe around everyone.
are you,
like how long were they there, etc, etc
and is that true, whites its ok if you hang around, blacks not.
but yes, on the face of your argument, a white guy and a black guy, one can sit and not buy anything the other can not, its racism...
but still there is more to the story,
like I said I will go and buy a coffee downtown today im white, I will sit down check my phone no one will hassle me,
im a white homeless bum, security has eyes on.
we are both white.
yet if it was a black guy the security guys were watching they would scream racial profiling
im not saying the coffee shop is right or wrong, well I am kind of but I want to know more,
a couple weeks ago, in the sun, an article.
over the last week three black people got on face book, crying and protesting and making all kinds of allegations about a routine traffic stop,
that the police abused them racial profiled them and in one case claimed sexual abuse,
one person was a pastor, the head or a member of the local naacp, all good people
the police released tapes of the body cams the cops were wearing it was all bull shit. it was all bull shit. the cops were as polite and respectful as could be,
I had a disagreement with a black female customer at work, oh a couple of months ago,
the first thing she does is take out her phone and starts recording the incident, and trying to escalate it.
and I am not making this shit up.
hbo there is a documentary on a police stop in Austin Texas,, the first thing that comes out of the ladies month
is, are the cameras on
a lady in Red Deer was recorded in a restaurant going off on some racial rant, she was drunk,
she insists that is not the whole story she was baited and taunted.
you don't think they do that on purpose,
so they can get some poor white guy making a fool of him self on the six o'clock news.
unfortunately there are enough white guys around they don't have to bait, and some of us are stupid enough to take the bait.
but you don't think that happens in todays climate.
what about that m.p. Chavis something or other who keeps on getting into it with max,
you don't think she is trying to push his buttons, with all this white entitlement crap
I don't know anything about her but I would bet she is as black and as entitled as they come.
all im saying is there is more to the story,
don't believe everything you read in the newspaper.
and we live in an age were we have to tip toe around everyone.
Well, sevenofnine, based on your reply I've provided information you didn't have, so it's reasonable to conclude I've already read deeper into the story than you appear to have. Yet, having read less, you're paradoxically believing you understand it better and are still sure there's more to the story than I know that would exhonerate the coffee shop. That by its very definition is a preconceived bias. Just think about that for a second.
Yes I have considered the possibility the victims were inflating the story. I kept looking for more info until I was satisfied that wasn't the case, conscious of the potential for bias in reporting. (Third parties turned on a camera by the way. Not the victims. But turning on a camera by a "victim" can also be a defensive move when they're afraid racism will come into play, not that it already had.)
As I've written before, just because I accept the world is round and not flat doesn't mean I'm a sheep who doesn't contemplate the alternatives. I did and, on balance of evidence, just reached the "accepted" conclusion anyway.
Do I believe a minority would never bait a majority? Of course baiting happens, sometimes. Do I believe that this means racism is grossly exaggerated? Also no. On a basic level you have to concede if it didn't exist, the baiting would hardly be so successful.
Yes I have considered the possibility the victims were inflating the story. I kept looking for more info until I was satisfied that wasn't the case, conscious of the potential for bias in reporting. (Third parties turned on a camera by the way. Not the victims. But turning on a camera by a "victim" can also be a defensive move when they're afraid racism will come into play, not that it already had.)
As I've written before, just because I accept the world is round and not flat doesn't mean I'm a sheep who doesn't contemplate the alternatives. I did and, on balance of evidence, just reached the "accepted" conclusion anyway.
Do I believe a minority would never bait a majority? Of course baiting happens, sometimes. Do I believe that this means racism is grossly exaggerated? Also no. On a basic level you have to concede if it didn't exist, the baiting would hardly be so successful.
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Nope- that's the whole story.
She was a drunken, unruly, aggressive and downright racist cunt.
There is no "other side"
