Pooner's rights!

[Jethro Bodine]

Chicas' comments in the Krissy thread inspired me to start this thread.

We have more than our share of wonderful ladies in this city. Why if I didn't have an accountant who watched my spending worse than a wife would, I'd probably be bankrupt by now .

Anyway, it is very frustrating to read negative posts and reviews written when the session should not have even happened or the pooner let the SP get away with some kind of nonsense like ending the session early.

Its time we guys started to stand up for ourselves and demand better by walking away when the lady isn't what she said, demanding the full time, expecting the SP to deliver the services promised, etc.
And it they don't, telling them you're going to write a very poor review and post it on every board you can find.

There are lots of great ladies out there and the competition for your dollar is probably at an all time high. Nowadays any SW with a room and a cell phone thinks they're and INDY worth $200/hr .

Its about time we pooners grew a pair and started to demand what we are paying for and force the poor providers to either shape up or ship out.

 

[pjrd]

Chicas must have had fun trying to get back in the mood after that confrontation lol. Good for him it's the principal that's important and I agree. Some of us from out of town plan a whole day around seeing a provider and to be cut off short is extremely dissapointing. That's why I'll never call an agency again or someone that's not well reviewed.

 

[Avery]

Unfortunately, a lot of pooners are reluctant to post negative reviews because they fear attacks by the ladies themselves or by white knights. It makes no sense to me. As long as the reviewers don't resort to name-calling and just report what happened, they've got nothing to fear.

 

[Pillowtalk]

Unfortunately, a lot of pooners are reluctant to post negative reviews because they fear attacks by the ladies themselves or by white knights. It makes no sense to me. As long as the reviewers don't resort to name-calling and just report what happened, they've got nothing to fear.

Just the simple facts would work.

I don't see the need to "threaten" a bad review. If an sp is completely out of touch with the biz, she will suffer the consequences soon enough. Just excuse yourself, not what you expected, or whatever, and leave the situation. There also isn't any real need for a rally to "stand up" for your rights, etc. (especially when you are already on a review board lol, there are lots of tips for avoiding real problems, and lots of visiting and local reputable sps in your area. The trick is to not get lured in by the idea of a too good to be true one, stick to your common sense, research and easy to avoid pitfalls.

At all costs, avoid confrontations. They don't help and they won't work, imo.

 

[rubintugger]

As devils advovate, I'd have to say there is some justification in concern about retaliation. The "ladies" have our phone numbers at the very least, and could make a stink if they feel "victimized", which a lot of the short termers, or bad providers seem to feel. I had a scary moment when an SP took comments the wrong way, and threatened to "out" me... I really don't want to visit that again.

So really, a bad recommendation isn't needed if you stick to the well recommended SP's. There are enough well respected SP's in the business to take care of our needs, and the occasional new one that pops up, well, someone will generally TOFTT and report if they are worth seeing, and until that happens, well, I just won't bother.

 

[bigben]

I agree that it's best just to walk. Thanks to boards such as this, we can generally tell the good from the bad providers. The issue I have with threatening to give bad reviews is that (all things being equal) there will be a few bad clients who will try to take advantage of a provider with this - for example by threatening a bad review if the SP refuses to provide a discount or to offer extra services. Have to look at things from both points of view.

 

[ladyluck]

I agree that it's best just to walk. Thanks to boards such as this, we can generally tell the good from the bad providers. The issue I have with threatening to give bad reviews is that (all things being equal) there will be a few bad clients who will try to take advantage of a provider with this - for example by threatening a bad review if the SP refuses to provide a discount or to offer extra services. Have to look at things from both points of view.

I agree. I don't think threatening to write a bad review is going to get you any better service. Do you think she's going to turn around and then try to make up for thing's. Not likely. She may not know your a reputable member. You could be another looking for a discount or a freebie. We've all read bad review's from time to time, and the lack of luster SP's don't go away. Not everyone reads the board's. So that being said they still have client's.

Plus who knows what wack job you just saw that does have your # and want's to make you miserable cause you just made her day like that.
Like it has been said before someone's hot and fantastic time is another's ugly, rather have my nut's in a vice grip time.

 

[chicas]

I like your thought process HotAC. "Good" and " bad" reviews , we need them both.
However as I have said before , a recommendation board( as opposed to a review board) is just advertiseing and honestly not all that honest. It is a good hidding place for an SP that gives poor service.
Pillowtalk and Lucklady there is something to what you say but I don't agree totally. First I don't believe in a threat. Some ladies know that I will likely write a review, most of the time good, sometimes not and other times I just try to ad a little humor.
If I am recieveing poor service , I believe I should simple mention " I write reviews. This leaves it up to the lady to decide if she wants to be known by the service she is giveing me;
and ofcourse YMMV (everyone knows that) I've only ever said this a couple of times. Did it work, well in the Toronto case it did a little. But what I really hope is that it makes a lady stop and think about the service she is provideing. This game isn't , money, 1 pop of lifeless sex and goodbye.
Sometime I will share my experience with one of those wackos(guess what , advertises on EC). But on a whole my experience have been very positive. For example: The year before I was in TO , made an pappoitment with an Asia lady that advertise on CL. One of the most pleasureable experiences I have ever had.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Just to clarify, the review is not a threat nor is it intended to try and blackmail an SP into something she is uncomfortable with.
As Chicas, points out, it is merely a mechanism we can use to warn others of substandard service, Bait and Switch, fake pics, etc. By mentioning it we are giving the lady a chance to remedy the situation to avoid a poor review just like you might with anyone else providing a service (Yes, I've actually written reviews on plumbers, carpenters, painters, mechanics, etc. on various comsumer boards that exist).

 

[rubintugger]

Details of why a visit was negative aren't really all that necessary. Details of a positive one are. Its weird, cause I was fighting the other board about this, and have come around to the other point of view, after seeing how it works. Threads with "Sorry, due to the rules of the board, I cannot submit my review" sends off red flags all over the place...

Just the fact that someone would not repeat with an SP tells the tale. Granted, not all sp's click with all pooners, and there is the case of YMMV. But generally, we're looking for a thumbs up or a thumbs down here.

On the other hand, a thumbs up might be for a reason someone else is not interested in, or disapproves of. BB services (BJ or god forbid, FS) might be a must have for one, and a must avoid for another. So getting a feel for the visit and why someone likled an SP goes a long way into the decision to see someone. So yes, positive reviews are good.

But we really should just leave it at "Been there, done that, won't repeat" if you had a negative experience. If you want to send the SP an email or PM to help her education in the business and give her some constructive criticism, fantastic. But flaying them alive in public, not too many deserve that.

 

[Pillowtalk]

But we really should just leave it at "Been there, done that, won't repeat" if you had a negative experience. If you want to send the SP an email or PM to help her education in the business and give her some constructive criticism, fantastic. But flaying them alive in public, not too many deserve that.

That's true. Plus, in the case described by chicas, we have an agency promising services which the sp may or may not be aware of. She is an employee, and they definitely have rules, which is why she was ready to leave at 90 minutes. Failing to do that could cost her a job or result in a fine, neither of which chica bothered to find out. Plus, his revenge on the agency rules was taken out on the sp in a way that frankly was pretty disgusting, the way he described it. I cannot imagine being her, in a vulnerable position between employer and client, forced to endure such a humiliating display of power, control and anger.

 

[ZoeZee]

I think the key is communication between client and sp. I always kinda joke that it's the "unsexy" portion of the visit but I outright ask what they are specifically looking for so I can time things (ie one shot or two etc). Also, I've had people who just want to do the deed and that's it, I tell them they can stay longer, have a massage or whatever but they are good to go. And it's not because they didn't like me (they are regulars) it's just that they have stuff to do or their needs are fulfilled.

There is a thread about me that said I am too chatty and that the pooner didn't get their allotted time. What I think really lacked there was communication, as in, they just wanted to get down and dirty (which I have no problem with) but some people really want/like the conversation/chit chat before hand. It's my job to try to figure that out through body language etc, but, it's not always that easy. A given though is that of course all clients want the goodies, but also, some want that intimacy too.

If somebody had said to me during the session that they just want to get down to business, I wouldn't take offense and would make sure that they got what they wanted, and as many times as they could. But, if the person sits there, sort of looking nervous, I usually chat them up a bit more to try to ease their nerves.

I've heard some people say they are too nervous to say something or even intimidated but really, REALLY, you don't have to be! I always say: an SP & client is one of the most honest relationships you can have. You both know why you are there, you can say what you want as far as services and it should be cut and dry. (this is not taking into account people who try to rip people off, but I don't think there are many people like that)

that's just my two cents....

oh, and I think any threat of any kind (bad review, blackmail or whatever) should never be spoken about between the sp and client. That's just drama waiting to happen. "bad" reviews can also be good in a way.... unless they are rude. It gives SPs insight how to improve their services. I know from the one "bad" (I don't even really think of it as bad) review I had really made me re-evaluate my services and I think I'm better now

 

[chicas]

OK enough of this. Time to defend myself.
I never raised my vice to the SP. Never used vulgarity, never use racial or anyother kind of slur.
Just like any buisness , when I saw that the service personwas not going to address the shortage, I asked to speak to her supervisor. It took some talking, (and I never used vulgarity or raised my voice to him either) and when he saw that as a consumer I was not going to be walked over, he ammended this guidline to her. If you want to sit back and let unethical buisness people take advantage of you well, you can.
If you would rather standup for proper buisness principle, I say you are doing a service not only to consumers but to the many that are giving proper service.

If we had "drivers" manageing the sales clerks at your grocerie store they would be told to open your jug of milk pour out 25% for the store , return it, and charge you the full amount.

Have you ever seen that ad on TV where it shows and actor, as a banker, pocketing all the Easter eggs as a kid runs around collecting them. " Its called an egg management fee" the banker tells us. A voice over tells us ' It just plain wrong'

 

[gunit 2403]

good for you chicas!

 

[LadyMidnight]

This is an interesting topic and one i've always wondered about. Both sides are right. Pooners should get what there paying for, and service providers should provide that service while still remaining in a safe environment. The key to this is communication. I always ask what the pooner is looking for, with that knowledge i can tell if i can provide him with it.
I believe more men should walk away if they aren't getting the service there paying for. I've heard way too many times of horrible service from previous service providers from clients that see me. It lowers the standard of a good session. If i'm getting over charged on my cellphone bill, telus knows there getting a phone call when i see the bill. I would expect nothing less from clients.

just my 2 cents though....

 

[chicas]

Absolutely LadyM. I did write a whole review on this encounter on another board ( you can bet it wasn't on the C....board). When I say a whole review I should say my reviews tend not to be short , so it was a little more than I planned to get into here,but the question can be fairly asked. "What did the client ask for?"
This is what I asked for: I would like a 2 hour appointment. Is that possible? I would like greek service. Is that possible? The reply to both of these questions was yes.
In addition I also asked . Are you independent. To which the answer was also yes. My time of day and location was agreed upon and the fee was agreed. I believe I was talking with the lady who was going to see me. The way I do this on CL. is I search the phone number and see if it comes up with more than 1 name.Also the person taking the appointment never said anything like , she, or there will be , or her driver will. The person I spoke with sounded
asian and I believe it was the person I say. ( some ladies sound asian and have a great command of the English language, some ladies sound asian and don't)
Dueing the first half hour , the time we talk , have a drink( alcohol or juice, in this case itwas juice) and usually share some fruit or other refreshments ; things did not seem quite normal so I asked again " are you independent ?" To which her reply was yes.
It just didn't feel right and oweing to the possibility of culturally different versions of the word ' Independent' , I re-phase the question. " You don't work for anyone else" She said "no". Now I'm wondering if I confused her with the possible double negative, so I said " do you work with an agency?" She replied "yes"
Now I know. If I was in Winnipeg there would be no doubt, I would have nibbled once on one of those spectacular nipples( by this time her bra was off), asked for my money back , all but $50.00 , and then asked her to leave. But this was Toronto and I have heard the agencies are more reputable there. So thought I should give her the benifit of the doubt and give this a try.
This is only the third time I have ever knowingly used an agency. Winnipeg or Toronto, I don't know if I'll ever try it again. But again that is part of my trusting nature ; I might.
If you can suggest any other questions that I can ask before setting the appointment that would assure we are on the same page, I'd be glad to hear them.
Until then I think my best recourse is an honest review.

 

[poonmiester]

In my 20 years of pooning I have come accross all kind of SP,...
Especially when the Newspapers or the Buy&Sell were basically the only medium for ads..... you had to follow your gut instinct and go for it without knowing what it will be like....
I have had some sessions with some SP back thenm,.. that now thinking about it,.. I could have picked up some girls in different bars that would have been 10 times better looking than what they were...
But as a newbie to the hobby,... I would just put my head down and proceed,.. kicking myself from the start that I was totally stupid.... thinking why should I pay for a woman like this when the one at home looks so much better... mmmmm
But I suppose those were the risk you had to gamble with..
I have joined a few review boards so that I could get info on the certain girls that peeked my interest....
Of course there is always the differences of what a pooner will look for in a SP,.. and therefore makes it very difficult to judge one's experience against your own....
But then as the years went by,.. I became more and more picky,.. relying on some reviews to not even book,.. especially when there is a certain age advertised and a certain shape.. and the reviewer posted that nothing really matched..... mmmm saves aggrevation for everyone.....
Now... if I show up at the door,.. and the Sp is not what I was expecting,.. See Ya,.. I am out of there.....
Especially in Surrey or even langley...... it's terrible business practice,.. but I don't think they are registered at the BBB......

All I can say.... I prefer reading a review whether it is good or bad from a poster, to know and understand how he feels about the session..... and then if the shape and age of the girl suits me,.. then I will give her a try,.. and many times I have made some of these girls my ATF and yet on the board their reviews were more negative than positive... but the chemistry between us was there.... and there were times where I had to agree with the previous pooner and his review,....
I have learned to appreciate the honest and real reviews on this board and others as well.... I have done my share when it is time,.. share the good ones as well as the bad ones....
On the other hand the Shilling that is going on is a pain in the rear,....so I welcome any review,.. giving both parties thier fair share in the story,.. no one has more rights than the other.... if the SP does not want to provide a standard service accross the board,.. then her rates should reflect the difference.... as far as I know... these meetings are beneficial to both parties,.. and one should not lose because of his looks or her looks....
But that being said,... there is a need for many of us to TOFTT,... and many times.... it will be a miss....

Happy pooning.......

PM'r.....

 

[Mchatte]

This is an interesting topic and one i've always wondered about. Both sides are right. Pooners should get what there paying for, and service providers should provide that service while still remaining in a safe environment. The key to this is communication. I always ask what the pooner is looking for, with that knowledge i can tell if i can provide him with it.
I believe more men should walk away if they aren't getting the service there paying for. I've heard way too many times of horrible service from previous service providers from clients that see me. It lowers the standard of a good session. If i'm getting over charged on my cellphone bill, telus knows there getting a phone call when i see the bill. I would expect nothing less from clients.

just my 2 cents though....

You were always such a classy (not to mention extremely sexy) lady and I expected such a great answer from you. (Too patronizing perhaps? ) Tried to PM you but couldn't. Don't make them like you anymore (at least haven't found 'em) Liz.

M