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I really want to semi retire and open a massage parlour for men .
i am 49 years old and i frequent massages maybe once a month …most of the time i try new girls. Sometimes half service sometimes full.
Anyone have any experience with this? Running or opening a parlour? Is it a nightmare dealing with girls showing up?
 
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I really want to semi retire and open a massage parlour for men .
i am 49 years old and i frequent massages maybe once a month …most of the time i try new girls. Sometimes half service sometimes full.
Anyone have any experience with this? Running or opening a parlour? Is it a nightmare dealing with girls showing up?
Probably not worth the potential criminal liability. Even then, recruitment and management would be difficult.

I'm sure many dudes have fantasized about running a massage parlour. For me its right up there with finding a SP who could direct bill my insurance 😂
 

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I think it would be a logistical nightmare. Not to say OP would do it, but since he is the owner he might want to partake of the goods and sample from his own employees which is whole can of worms.

If he can stay professional and keep himself away from the talent and be a good boss is a good start. But also keep in mind as a new shop, you don't have any sweat equity. Either you buy a shop from someone else and the ladies stay on, or you open a new place and have to build up your brand and talent rep. People forget about cost of advertising, upkeep and maintenance of washing machines and such, you will have to maintain showers or saunas or any amenities.

Also as a massage shop you might have to deal with civilians who try to book and negative reviews when the ladies don't do rmt level style massage. I don't think LE would be a big deal but it could be a factor.


If you don't have a madam or manager to sort of organize the scheduling and payroll and logistics it can be a real headache. I think the dream of owning a parlour is fun but in reality it probably takes the mystique and fun away from it.
 

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If you look online or streaming services you will find a movie called “Happy Endings?”.
It’s an accurate examination of the industry.
The truth is that most AMP’s (Asian Massage Parlours) are shelters for money laundering and human trafficking for gangs.
Think about it, in your social and professional circles do you know enough people, even if you’re a social butterfly of epic proportions to support a massage parlour staffing? Do
you have to chutzpah to ask your buddies sister if she wants to make a few extra dollars?
Why don’t most girls speak very good English at most AMPs? Because they are “owned” by triads. They are not residents or citizens. Canada Immigration has no idea they even exist. Notice how sometimes certain girls simply “disappear” occasionally? Notice how some migrate from spa to spa? The spas that are owned by different “groups”.
Biker gangs don’t want any part of massage parlours because they can’t supply enough girls that aren’t hooked on shit drugs. Notice how many Asian girls use fentanyl? None, for two reasons, one, it’s bad for business, two, it cuts the supply of girls.
So the questions you have to ask yourself are…
Am I prepared to besmirch my own reputation by essentially becoming a pimp?
Am I prepared to have a lawyer on retainer?
Am I prepared to start a movement? (White dudes running massage parlours.)
Am I prepared to stand up and do battle with a triad? If you don’t believe me just look around. How many massage parlours exist that are not what we call “legit” that aren’t Asian? I’ll tell ya how many, none.
So the real question you need to ask yourself is, will your conscience allow you to become a gangster and do you have the intestinal fortitude to do real gangster shit?
 

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I invested in one before. As an 'outsider' that is from the working staff, youre not going to be able to source employees well.

You're better off being a silent investor and let the pros take care of the daily management.

You might love cookies, but youre not a baker/pastry chef. And definitely dont know ow how to build a professional kitchen.
 
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If you have a couple regulars that you genuinely know quite well that work at MP’s you’d be better off asking them what they know about the biz
 

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
If you look online or streaming services you will find a movie called “Happy Endings?”.
It’s an accurate examination of the industry.
The truth is that most AMP’s (Asian Massage Parlours) are shelters for money laundering and human trafficking for gangs.
Think about it, in your social and professional circles do you know enough people, even if you’re a social butterfly of epic proportions to support a massage parlour staffing? Do
you have to chutzpah to ask your buddies sister if she wants to make a few extra dollars?
Why don’t most girls speak very good English at most AMPs? Because they are “owned” by triads. They are not residents or citizens. Canada Immigration has no idea they even exist. Notice how sometimes certain girls simply “disappear” occasionally? Notice how some migrate from spa to spa? The spas that are owned by different “groups”.
Biker gangs don’t want any part of massage parlours because they can’t supply enough girls that aren’t hooked on shit drugs. Notice how many Asian girls use fentanyl? None, for two reasons, one, it’s bad for business, two, it cuts the supply of girls.
So the questions you have to ask yourself are…
Am I prepared to besmirch my own reputation by essentially becoming a pimp?
Am I prepared to have a lawyer on retainer?
Am I prepared to start a movement? (White dudes running massage parlours.)
Am I prepared to stand up and do battle with a triad? If you don’t believe me just look around. How many massage parlours exist that are not what we call “legit” that aren’t Asian? I’ll tell ya how many, none.
So the real question you need to ask yourself is, will your conscience allow you to become a gangster and do you have the intestinal fortitude to do real gangster shit?
oh dear....this is not true about the AMP's....seriously...these women are not trafficking victims for the most part...people move spa to spa to make the new face money...it is a longstanding practice which increases income...not just women of Asian background do this....

It is always difficult to read this kind of thing... We are for the most part a community of majority women who are working of our own free will.... does trafficking happen? yes.... but not generally in retail location/ store front spaces.... you don't work to meet city regulations, invest your money and then risk it all on some illegal shit...especially not when there are people who will work for you willingly...

The process to open a shop is a bit complicated and I have been working on fixing it since 2006... fuck i am old....anyway....

If people have serious questions about this I am happy to discuss probably best via email or phone...

Of course the best place to open is within the city of vancouver but smaller urban centers can be open as well. There is something to be said for moving away from the concentrated center... less competition etc...
and in terms of "battles"? with the "triad"? yeah....not so much...it is not illegal. if anyone tries to threaten you are does anything, phone the police...simple

love susie
 

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“oh dear....this is not true about the AMP's....seriously...these women are not trafficking victims for the most part”

Oh dear, I cited a movie that is a documentary with experienced people and researched over 27 months.
Have you seen the movie?
You say “for the most part”, ok, let’s address the “least” part. What percentage is the least part? 1%? 2%? 5%? 10%? These are the lower possible percentage numbers. What is the number that is “acceptable”? For me, the number is ZERO. And even you admit that is not true. So don’t try to minimize it because that makes you a supporter of it, an ally to it and a denier. At that point you’re gaslighting yourself into calling yourself an advocate.

"They're actually run by people who are exploiting these women for a profit," said Heed.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/vancouver/ar...-wants-crackdown-on-illegal-massage-parlours/

Next, your reply is only your opinion. Yes there is some (biased) “facts”, but nothing that can be supported with actually cited research so at that point your reply is just words.
Pull your head out of the sand and show me some fact that support your opinion.
 

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“oh dear....this is not true about the AMP's....seriously...these women are not trafficking victims for the most part”

Oh dear, I cited a movie that is a documentary with experienced people and researched over 27 months.
Have you seen the movie?
You say “for the most part”, ok, let’s address the “least” part. What percentage is the least part? 1%? 2%? 5%? 10%? These are the lower possible percentage numbers. What is the number that is “acceptable”? For me, the number is ZERO. And even you admit that is not true. So don’t try to minimize it because that makes you a supporter of it, an ally to it and a denier. At that point you’re gaslighting yourself into calling yourself an advocate.

"They're actually run by people who are exploiting these women for a profit," said Heed.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/vancouver/ar...-wants-crackdown-on-illegal-massage-parlours/

Next, your reply is only your opinion. Yes there is some (biased) “facts”, but nothing that can be supported with actually cited research so at that point your reply is just words.
Pull your head out of the sand and show me some fact that support your opinion.
All I can say is, “wow.”
 
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All I can say is, “wow.”
Hmm, fascinating. However, I just can’t quite see how your post relates or adds anything meaningful to this thread which seems interesting. Especially since you weren’t mentioned. I supposed random ‘wow’ comments can keep the thread moving.
 
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I really want to semi retire and open a massage parlour for men .
i am 49 years old and i frequent massages maybe once a month …most of the time i try new girls. Sometimes half service sometimes full.
Anyone have any experience with this? Running or opening a parlour? Is it a nightmare dealing with girls showing up?
What hasn’t been mentioned is how much of a headache the constant arguing and bickering among the women can be. One "manager" told me this happens every single day.
 

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
“oh dear....this is not true about the AMP's....seriously...these women are not trafficking victims for the most part”

Oh dear, I cited a movie that is a documentary with experienced people and researched over 27 months.
Have you seen the movie?
You say “for the most part”, ok, let’s address the “least” part. What percentage is the least part? 1%? 2%? 5%? 10%? These are the lower possible percentage numbers. What is the number that is “acceptable”? For me, the number is ZERO. And even you admit that is not true. So don’t try to minimize it because that makes you a supporter of it, an ally to it and a denier. At that point you’re gaslighting yourself into calling yourself an advocate.

"They're actually run by people who are exploiting these women for a profit," said Heed.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/vancouver/ar...-wants-crackdown-on-illegal-massage-parlours/

Next, your reply is only your opinion. Yes there is some (biased) “facts”, but nothing that can be supported with actually cited research so at that point your reply is just words.
Pull your head out of the sand and show me some fact that support your opinion.
yeah...so i confronted Heed, the richmond RCMP and the CoR community safety committee about this and their action too close AMP's in Richmond ended...abruptly... it is now part of a human rights complaint...so go ahead and believe the hype...

All businesses run to make profit, should we close all businesses until everyone works for free and we no longer have to pay for goods?

adult consensual sex workers are not a reasonable casualty in the fight against human trafficking, full stop. Safe work spaces are critical to sex worker safety. retail locations with store fronts are the least liekly place to find a sex trafficking victim. Ou cannot obtain a license if you have a criminal history, all of the businesses targeted by this action were licensed...

I am not gaslighting nor am I a denier - you however could use a little time understanding these issues are not as simple as you seem to think.

In terms of employee drama - this happens in almost every work place...it is not exclusive to AMP's


susie
 

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@susi you have a natural gift of politician speak, haha.

I'm old now, so hear me out. To me it sounds like you’re not just oversimplifying the issue, you’re denying the structural reality of how Asian massage parlors operate, both here in Metro Vancouver and around the world.

Globally, Asian‑run massage businesses are the dominant model, especially when they’re tied to migrant networks, organized crime, and gambling or drug debts. That’s why we don’t see “non‑Asian” sex parlors popping up in the same way in this city: the business model, the clientele, and the power structures are ethnically and culturally specific.

You talk about “drama is everywhere” like it’s the same in every workplace, but kitty‑cat drama especially in a male‑dominated, gang‑linked, Asian‑run AMP is not the same as generic office politics. In these spaces, “drama” often means women pressured to work and pay off gambling, and drug debts. They are closely monitored, confined by immigration fears, or controlled by men (and women) with criminal ties.

Ask most managers in the typically office, especially a woman who they would rather manage: a man or a woman? With few exceptions, they will always say the male. Rolling that into a one‑liner about “every job has drama” is gaslighting, not nuance.

Interestingly, you frame yourself as an advocate, but you’re cherry‑picking the idealized image of licensed, “safe” shops and acting like criticism of Asian‑run AMPs is automatically anti‑sex‑worker or ignorant.

The evidence is clear and the reality is that with few exceptions, these parlors are built on debt‑driven, racialized exploitation, not some neutral, normalized form of work. You’re not defending sex workers, you’re defending a system that lets Asian‑run massage parlors use consent and regulation as a shield while women are trapped, controlled, and commodified.

If you want to be an actual ally, I would start by acknowledging the global pattern of how these parlors function and why they dominate the market in places like Metro Vancouver, Asia, and elsewhere. Until then, as I see it, you’re not challenging power, you’re just protecting the people who profit from it.
 

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“yeah...so i confronted Heed, the richmond RCMP and the CoR community safety committee about this and their action too close AMP's in Richmond ended...abruptly... it is now part of a human rights complaint...so go ahead and believe the hype...”

You can say that all day long until the cows come home. Honestly, I’m calling bullshit.
Cite the Human Rights case, the plaintiffs, the complainants and the cause of the case.
Hype? No, a legitimate documentarian, subject to libel suits said everything I related and would easily debunk most of your words.


“All businesses run to make profit, should we close all businesses until everyone works for free and we no longer have to pay for goods?”

When the nature of the business is exploitive? Fuck to the yes we should close businesses if people are being exploited. That you can’t differentiate between “regular” business and the sex trade says that maybe your understanding of the big picture is skewed.

adult consensual sex workers are not a reasonable casualty in the fight against human trafficking, full stop. Safe work spaces are critical to sex worker safety. retail locations with store fronts are the least liekly place to find a sex trafficking victim. Ou cannot obtain a license if you have a criminal history, all of the businesses targeted by this action were licensed...

Until human trafficking is stopped, then yes criminalize all of it. I’d happily go back to jerking off daily if it meant that it would bankrupt participation in illegal activities. A cock block boycott of sorts, because it is directly related to sex work fuck yes there may be some casualties. That’s a talk for another day, we do need safe spaces, for sex work, for providers AND supporters.

“retail locations with store fronts are the least liekly place to find a sex trafficking victim.”

BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT!!!
PROVE IT!!! You’re out of touch on this one, for sure, put your money where your mouth is or move on sister because you’re just dropping little opinion bombs here like they count or matter. Fact and truth are the real commodity here, otherwise what is the point?


I am not gaslighting nor am I a denier - you however could use a little time understanding these issues are not as simple as you seem to think.

Your poorly spelled previous paragraph was exactly that, GASLIGHTING!

In terms of employee drama - this happens in almost every work place...it is not exclusive to AMP's

You said something correct. 👍
 
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This thread is closed. As for the flame war clearly in progress, I would take the information of Susi, a long time industry worker, advocate and contributor over that of a client who seems to like trolling and flaming more than contributing useful information. Entering the business as an MP owner is both expensive and complicated and not for the faint of heart.
 
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