Okay, I'll take the shit

[Ghostwheel1969]

Here's the post from terf, and I'm fucking pissed!

Quote:

All right boys and girls, I have read all the replies to my Nadia, Nadia, Nadia post, (up to about 7:30 p.m.) and sense that there are a number of doubters about the truth or facts that I have posted, and I, as well as all of you, know how annoying it is to be told something hard to believe and then left hanging there, doubting, doubting, doubting, and none of us need that shit again.

Well, I have decided to take you through it step by step, to back up my story. When I'm done, you'll know exactly as much as I know, and I have no fear of doing anything illegal or underhanded, because I'm only stating the facts.

I don't know if this will get me into trouble with the VPD, (they do have my full name, e-mail address and phone number), and for all I know, may even read this.) But as long as I'm not accusing anybody of doing anything criminal, or fabricate malicious, personal attacks or threads, I know I'll be o.k.. Oh well, if shit happens to me, so be it.

So here is my step by step explanation of what I did and how I got my information.

On Friday, Feb 2nd., I received the following attached e-mail from VPD - My original e-mail to them is below their reply. I erased my name and phone # from both e-mails.

Dear Mr.

Thank you for taking the time to write on this matter.

I have this morning forwarded your email to our Sexual Offence Squad and advised them that I've told you this is the action I've taken. The main telephone number for that department, should you wish to contact them directly, is 604-717- 2634

Best regards,

Beth McArthur
Public Affairs
Vancouver Police Department
604-717-2680

Below is my original e-mail to VPD.


I am sorry to take a few minutes of your very valuable time - and I'm not even sure that I am addressing this to the right VPD department.
I am trying to differentiate between a couple of alleged brutal sex crimes or a clever scam.

The following is condensed information that has been posted on 2 popular internet sites.


According to one lady, an escort, single mother with young child, the following terrible rape and robbery happened to her, which she described in much more detail than I will.


She claims that in the first week of January this year, she had a pre-arranged "date" with a new client. The client produced a gun and threatened and raped her 4 times during a 2 hour period, then robbed her of $4,000 cash.

She went to VGH at which time VPD interviewed and also went to her home for some DNA samples.


Less than a week later, according to her, a different client did the following. He held her at gun point for 5 hours, raped her repeatedly, burnt her with a cigarette on many parts of her body, pistol whipped, beat her, pored hot wax on her and this time she was robbed of over $6,000. According to her, VPD investigated again and arrested 3 alleged suspects, who are being held without bail.


Now, on those same 2 internet sites, there are lots of suggestions for financial donations for this lady who claims to be destitute, not even enough money for groceries for her and her child, no rent money or funds for car payments. She even posted her PayPal account to send money to.


If these terrible acts actually happened to this lady, I would be willing to make a cash donation for this poor victim, but if these acts did not occur - I suspect it to be a clever scam.


I know I haven't supplied any names or exact dates because she didn't divulge those, but I suspect that the sexual crimes unit would remember an unusual case such as this a short time ago. Without asking for any details regarding these alleged crimes, is it possible to confirm or deny that you have a record or file and are working on this, 3 suspects are in custody, or is this all news to you.


I sincerely hope that I didn't open up a "can of worms" here. I would just like to know if the money being collected is going to a proper cause.


Thank you very much for your time.


Best Regard.0


On Wed. Feb. 3rd.. I had not heard from them, so I phoned the "Sex Offence" line. A detective Gena (a female)answered, and after a bit stumbling and tongue tied nervousness, I talked about an e-mail that I had sent about a couple of horrific alledged rapes. She already knew about the e-mail, and apparently they were doing some internal investigation or reseach (not sure which word she used), and she asked if she could have my phone number, she already had my name from my e-mail. I gave her my number and she said that one of her superiors would contact me in the next day or two. She was VERY polite. I'll tell you guys, after that call my ass started to pucker up, wondering what shit I got myself into.

The next day I did receive a call from Seargent Arith, also a female. Again, very polite, and said that she phoning regarding my e-mail to them. She informed me that the VPD Sex Offence Squad had no info on this, no file, no record, no knowledge. She asked for the name of the individual, which I told her I didn't know. (I know "Nadia", but I don't know if that's her real name). I asked as many questions as I could think of - all to do with the alledged crime. Ms. Arith - don't even know if that is her first or last name, not that it matters 'cause I don't think there are many Arith in that dept., sort of picked up that I would put the received info on the internet and said the following to me - to the best of my recollection: "Be VERY careful what you post, because just because we at VPD don't have anything on this, that doesn't mean it didn't happen somewhere in the lower mainland". They have nothing on it, but she suggest to contact maybe North or West Van police, or Burnaby of New West. She said I could be liable for posting wrong info. (Needless to say - I didn't contact any of the other L.E.), But she also didn't instruct me not to post her info.

Nadia, if you read this, no sense contacting me by PM for info as I suggest in my original post, no matter how hard you or anybody else wants to squeeze me for more info, I don't have any. What you see is what you get.

Now, if I happen to wind up in the old jail house over this, I hope one of the lovely ladies on this board could come and visit me - I'm sure they have an area for congenial visits. Oh shit - but I won't have any cash on me.

That's all I have folks - and I must admit that this hasn't been the easiest thing I have ever done.
__________________
Pooners are like snow to SPs - they never know how many inches they're going to get, or how long it will last.

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Now here's my response on terf:

Now I'm fucking pissed! Here's the scoop.

I donated a not meagre sum of money to Nadia's benefit. Seems I was wrong practically. I still feel right, morally. Still, a scam, if it is, is a scam.

I'm calling Beth McArthur tomorrow to verify the information. The number for Sexual Offense that Fullhouse supplied is correct: http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/poli...icecontact.htm . If I find out that contact was made, I'm going to have to figure out what to do.

I don't give a shit about the money lost. At this point, I don't even give a shit about whether or not Nadia, if she scammed some of us, gets what she deserves. What I care about is the reputation of those in the sp community that came to her defense, and got shafted by their wholy humanitarian actions.

What I urge is that, if you want retribution, please consider this: there were intermediaries involved in this scam that were not part of it, but were manipulated themselves. I don't want to involve them in such an investigation. They're not to blame, but are even more victimized than we are!

If you donated to Nadia, and this turns out to be a huge con (as it appears to be) think before you act. Think about the people who were only following their compassion and angst instead of their heads initially. That's not a crime. Fraud is a crime... and I'm sure I can find a way to prosecute fraud that won't harm those that were only doing what they thought was right.
Repeat point: if you donated, be careful of the innocent people involved. If Nadia is the culprit (shit, pretty much obvious, but I'll not accuse without absolute proof), then she should pay. Not those that tried to help.

Don't make them suffer for being caring, kind human beings.

To all those that donated, or helped, or commisserated... I'm sorry that this looks like it's true. I'll keep you all appraised of the situation. I'm posting this on perb too. Ban me there, fuck it. I've already met my ATF, and she's more than a gem. She's a humanitarian, an angel, and a great lay!

I'll make my findings known.

Oh, and by the way... if she did scam... she'll fucking goddam well pay!

Fucking cheers!
Ghostwheel

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To all on here, sp's and hobbyists alike, who donated, remember that there are other people who could be ass-grassed by an investigation. I'm going to play it cagy with the police, and try and make sure that innocent, compassionate people aren't put at risk. If they would be, I'll clam up and Nadia can go to hell in her own way. I'd rather that than some lovely people be hurt by their well-meaning actions.

If anyone has any info to pass on that might help me in the future with this, I'll let you know when it's necessary, and you can PM me. I'll keep everyone informed as to what transpires. I'm really most concerned about keeping the innocents out of it. The money is shit. But if Nadia really did rip us off, she's going down!

BTW, I email her just now, asking for a rebutal on this post.

BCMod, I'm sorry to bring this up again, but I wanted people to know some important info, that might have affected them. Ban me if you want, or blow this post off... It seems this is too important to ignore at this point, and too many facts are coming clear. I want to set things right, not for the monetary value that was victimized, but for reputations, personal integrity, and moral value.

No cheers this time.
Ghostwheel

 

[BcMod]

There is no reason to ban you or to delete this.

As I mentioned in my Perbatory post, I take no sides in this issue; there is nothing wrong with well thought out, concise and polite doubt. It is the childish and attacking behaviours that warrant bannings.

Though I wish you had put this post in one of the threads that I did leave unlocked on the topic. I may end up merging the threads.

 

[LittleAsianGuy]

I suspect the donations are anywhere between 3-10k and if this is a conn from Nadia.....is this really worth being investigated by the police and possible jail time?

 

[Ghostwheel1969]

Wow

There is no reason to ban you or to delete this.

As I mentioned in my Perbatory post, I take no sides in this issue; there is nothing wrong with well thought out, concise and polite doubt. It is the childish and attacking behaviours that warrant bannings.

Though I wish you had put this post in one of the threads that I did leave unlocked on the topic. I may end up merging the threads.

There were unlocked threads on this topic? Wish I had looked again!

I think this is important. Thanks for your help on this. Either way it turns out, it'll be more than practical experience for everyone... it'll be a moral lesson.

I know it's been for me. It's shown what true compassion is, and it's draw-backs. But mostly, if it turns to shit, I can at least thank Nadia for showing me who's worthy on this board, and truely generous, and who are just skanks.

At least we can take something positive from that.

Cheers to that!
Ghostwheel

 

[BS Detector]

I do not know exactly what happened to Nadia but I have it on very good authority, as well as what we have read here from ladies such as Isabelle and a couple of guys, she definitely has been attacked or beat or in a car accident. What ever the reason, there apears to be NO doubt that she is hurt, badly hurt. Rather than yelling 'scam', maybe we should think she has a good reason for telling it the way she does. Not saying it is right (again assuming for a moment it is not true) but PERHAPS what happened is embarrassing and she does not want to say but has to explain it somehow. Yes, it may have been a stretch but think of this: You go to see some lady from a dating site and got mugged at her place by some thugs hiding in her closet. You are badly hurt and got robbed. Are you going to tell your co-workers, "I went to some lady's place who advertised in the adult section of the paper and got jumped by a couple of guys hiding in her closet" or are you going to make up a less embarrassing story? It does not lessen your pain.

Anyway, my point is, clearly she was hurt. Isn't that what should matter most? Are the details really any of our business? That does not make it a scam as she truly was hurt. If she is scamming, fine, expose her but UNTIL then, maybe people sholud show some compassion (or say nothing).

 

[Ghostwheel1969]

I suspect the donations are anywhere between 3-10k and if this is a conn from Nadia.....is this really worth being investigated by the police and possible jail time?

Wasn't even near that. One donation. It's the thought that counts (on the scammers end).

And like I said, fuck the money. I don't give a shit, except as it's literally a case of fraud.

It's the reputations of the people that put their time, effort, veracity and emotion into it, and had it thrown back in their face. I'm talking about Isabelle, if you didn't guess. I haven't said it on here, but she's suffering because of this, I know, and my heart goes out to her. She's the one who put her moxy into Nadia's cause, and it's heart-wrenching to see it.

We're behind you, babe. Izzy, you're going to be an icon for your efforts! Lots of love!

Ghostwheel

 

[Verb]

I think in the future to insure the donation is to the right cause, any posting to paypal must be approved by the MODS. I am sure the mods will have no problem reviewing the info and validating the police file number.

 

[Ghostwheel1969]

I do not know exactly what happened to Nadia but I have it on very good authority, as well as what we have read here from ladies such as Isabelle and a couple of guys, she definitely has been attacked or beat or in a car accident. What ever the reeason, there apears to be NO doubt that she is hurt, badly hurt. Rather tan yelling 'scam', maybe we should think she has a good reason for telling it the way she does. Not saying it is right (again assuming for a moment it is not true) but perhaps what happened is embarassing and she dows not want to say but has to explain it somehow. Yes, it may have been a stretch but thnk of this:You go to see some lady from a dating site and got mugged at her place by some thugs hiding in her closet. You are badly hurt and got robbed. Are you going to tell your co-workers, "I went to some lady's place who advertised in the adult section of the paper and got jumped by a cople of guys hiding in her closet" or are you going to make up a less embarrassing story? It does not lessen your pain.

Anyway, my point is, clearly she was hurt. Isn't that what should matter most? Are the details really any of our business? That does not make it a scam as she truly was hurt. If she is scamming, fine, expose her but UNTIL then, maybe people sholud show some compassion (or say nothing).

My original post on the other board on this:

I've met Isabelle, and if this does indeed turn out to be an untrue situation (I'm holding out for proof) I can't believe she was anything but a victim of it as well.

I'm waiting for a rebutal from anyone with some evidence as to this being true, but my take on it: if the story isn't true, but Isabelle did see Nadia's condition (I can't believe she didn't) and believed that Nadia couldn't work because of it (come on... Isabelle is one smart lady), and the injuries resulted from her profession, then Nadia really did need help financially to cover her convalescence. If it turns out that the story was "expanded" and the details were embellished, the situation is still she's out her usual income.

I for one, then, won't feel bad at all about having helped her out financially, but I will be disappointed and saddened at the duplicity. But that's just me.

If she was in a car accident, or mugged, or such... different story. Then I'll have to shrug and say, "Whoops." Or maybe something stronger.

Like I said, I'm sitting on the fence, having a stake in this.

But I'm not sitting on the fence on Isabelle. Either way it turns out, I know she's only stated facts, truths and events that she's experienced. I hope it turns out differently, but she's a compassionate, intelligent woman, and I'm truely sorry if she's even more of a victim than the rest of us.

Cheers,
Ghostwheel

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Should clear up my point. But I'm afraid this stuff is just too indicitive of a scam.

Believe me, I'm most sorry about it.

Cheers,
Ghostwheel

 

[BS Detector]

Isabelle !!!

However it turns out, I know I am going to see Isabelle again and spoil her rotten lol. I believe she liked my massage and don't think she'd have trouble with a three hour appointment

She is a good lady and deserves a great deal of kindness handed to her, again, regardless of how this turns out.

 

[Ghostwheel1969]

Okay kids, after thinking about it....

Here's what I need, when I'm going to the cops:

1. If anyone, individually or as a group, has donated more than $1000 to this, please PM me.

2. If anyone has even more information, but has not been forthcoming with that info, please PM me.

I don't have time for this shit, and to tell the truth, the donation isn't worth it, but I think it's important for the reputation of all SP's not only on here, but in the lower mainland, especially those who'se rep's might suffer from their support of this alleged con artist. Notice I said alleged: I still support the fact that if Nadia suffered these afflictions in the pursuit of her profession, all is forgiven! I just have major questions about it now.

Oh, and by the way: I offered to dedicate and rename a song on my new CD to her. That's how affected I was by this.

If anyone has any of the above info, and feels free to PM me, please do so. I'll respect any qualifications or limits you put on confidentiality. I just want to see this through, and put it to bed. One way or the other.

Thanks, guys and gals.
Ghostwheel

 

[BS Detector]

There are some lines you just don't cross and bringing a child into it is just something you just do not do.

No argument at all Tuula but she really was hurt bad enough that she was unable to work and that would impact a child of a single mother.

Also not denying that truth is the best policy but PERHAPS there is a valid reason for her needing to not tell the truth/details of HOW she got that badly hurt. Again, I do not consider it a scam if she really was hurt that bad. I would consider it a scam if she was not hurt, able to work but chose to use a story like this as 'work replacement'.

I would feel choked however if I helped someone and found out she was some junkie that got beat up by another junkie for example, but that is just because of my personal feelings on drugs and the fact I'd rather help a rape victim than a druggie. I feel, to call it a scam, it would have to have the intent (to scam). Even in my example above, the simple act of getting beat by a druggie bf but yelling rape, is wrong but not a scam. If however she felt that yelling rape wuld garner more donations (from people like me), then suddenly it IS a scam. I guess that is the analytical (just 'anal' to some) side of me coming out.

 

[Verb]

No argument at all Tuula but she really was hurt bad enough that she was unable to work and that would impact a child of a single mother.

Also not denying that truth is the best policy but PERHAPS there is a valid reason for her needing to not tell the truth/details of HOW she got that badly hurt. Again, I do not consider it a scam if she really was hurt that bad. I would consider it a scam if she was not hurt, able to work but chose to use a story like this as 'work replacement'.

I would feel choked however if I helped someone and found out she was some junkie that got beat up by another junkie for example, but that is just because of my personal feelings on drugs and the fact I'd rather help a rape victim than a druggie. I feel, to call it a scam, it would have to have the intent (to scam). Even in my example above, the simple act of getting beat by a druggie bf but yelling rape, is wrong but not a scam. If however she felt that yelling rape wuld garner more donations (from people like me), then suddenly it IS a scam. I guess that is the analytical (just 'anal' to some) side of me coming out.

Hey BS Detector...

It's great that your kinda stickin up for her but the truth is that no one is 100 perfect sure what is going on here. I think we all need to sit back and wait till we see some hard facts and someone mature enough to validate her police file number. I agree she could be truely hurt but what if she brought this on to herself? What if she got into a barfight? So many possiblities. But I think everyone should wait till the truth comes out.

 

[Ghostwheel1969]

A good point, but I don't think it applies on this board

Thank gods!

Now I know why I live on here, and not terf!

Still, it's a good point: if you're anxious about Nadia and the veracity of things, please contact the VPD if you've donated money to her, and only then.

Unfortunately, donations of emotion, time, and effort don't apply. Just contacting them to verify if things are true are a time-waster.

I knew that, but didn't think to post it. Was put right by someone else.

Cheers,
Ghostwheel

 

[braveheart604]

Would you quit being a White Knight for one second and think about the situation.

IF she really had gotten hurt in another way and needed help why could she not have just stated so or at the very least messaged her sisterhood of other sps?

So many people including myself felt so bad for her and i still do because as a human being i would care if another human being got hurt and needed help but that is no excuse for commiting FRAUD.

Do you have any idea how dangerous this could be for poor isabelle? Just like there are people out there who didnt believe nadia, there will also be ppl who dont believe Isabelle. Whose to ensure her safety?

Not everyone is a rational person on this board and this might also give the freaks who hate women and are dying to hurt them a reason to justify their cause.

White Knights went extinct along time ago perhaps you should retire your armour as well

BH

 

[BS Detector]

Hey BS Detector...

It's great that your kinda stickin up for her but the truth is that no one is 100 perfect sure what is going on here. I think we all need to sit back and wait till we see some hard facts


should wait till the truth comes out.

Totally agree. I am not even sticking up for her, just saying that she MAY have a valid reason for not telling the actual details of how she got hurt. Based on numerous 'witnesses', it IS a hard fact she was bady hurt.

 

[braveheart604]

Thank gods!

Now I know why I live on here, and not terf!

Still, it's a good point: if you're anxious about Nadia and the veracity of things, please contact the VPD if you've donated money to her, and only then.

Unfortunately, donations of emotion, time, and effort don't apply. Just contacting them to verify if things are true are a time-waster.

I knew that, but didn't think to post it. Was put right by someone else.

Cheers,
Ghostwheel

Yeah do that and tell them that your a member of such an esteemed board as this one and everything will work out.


Whats with the violent tendencies towards this lady though for real. she didnt hold a gun to your head and make you donate.

Secondly threatening someone like that isnt wise especially when shes public enemy number one right now. Avoid legal troubles people

 

[BS Detector]

Would you quit being a White Knight for one second and think about the situation.


White Knights went extinct along time ago perhaps you should retire your armour as well

BH

Can you not disagree with someone without name calling? And if you read my post again (or even once) before you start name calling, you SHOULD see my use of words to the effect of IF, PERHAPS (also in caps so hard to miss if one actually reads, but thanks for your input

 

[Robertdice]

Here's the post from terb, and I'm fucking pissed!

Quote:

I want to set things right, not for the monetary value that was victimized, but for reputations, personal integrity, and moral value.

What? Moral value on a hooker board, you have got to be kidding. If you haven’t already figured it out I hate to be the one to break it to you but on these internet boards not much is true to begin with. Always take everything with a grain of salt. The biggest scams are some of the advertisers who give crappy service, have their bad reviews removed and a few shill reviews posted so that they keep conning people. I will leave it at that for now but really one should open their eyes to some of the crap that goes on here and never gets spoken about. By the way I take no sides in this tragedy, whether Nadia is telling the truth or not I have no idea and no opinion.

 

[braveheart604]

What? Moral value on a hooker board, you have got to be kidding. If you haven’t already figured it out I hate to be the one to break it to you but on these internet boards not much is true to begin with. Always take everything with a grain of salt. The biggest scams are some of the advertisers who give crappy service, have their bad reviews removed and a few shill reviews posted so that they keep conning people. I will leave it at that for now but really one should open their eyes to some of the crap that goes on here and never gets spoken about. By the way I take no sides in this tragedy, whether Nadia is telling the truth or not I have no idea and no opinion.

agreed and agreed

 

[Ghostwheel1969]

Yeah do that and tell them that your a member of such an esteemed board as this one and everything will work out.


Whats with the violent tendencies towards this lady though for real. she didnt hold a gun to your head and make you donate.

Secondly threatening someone like that isnt wise especially when shes public enemy number one right now. Avoid legal troubles people

I will, in fact, threaten her, and it's with fraud, if she's guilty of it.

I've said, in every post, that it's alleged. Suspected. I hope it's not true. But if it is, I'll push to prosecute. The charge will be for the monies involved, but the reality is, it's for the reputations, friendships, and trusts that were violated.

That's why I asked for any info on $1000+ donations. That's a fraudulent offence. That's an inditable one. But money only matters when you don't have it. We on here mostly do, otherwise, we wouldn't be pursuing this hobby. It's the quantifiable reputations that matter. That's what's important.

Ghostwheel