NDP Prostitution

[maude]

Jack Layton = Leadership = getting in bed with the Bloc (a party committed to the breakup of Canada) to gain power at any cost . . . interesting concept of leadership and looking out for our interest . . . power at any cost should be the NDP logo . . . quite simply a whore imo.

Bloc-NDP-Grit government a coalition for Canada: Layton

I am so sickened by the current events that are playing out in Ottawa, that I am ready to do something that I have never done in my life . . . make a monetary donation to a poltical party perhaps even more . . . actually work for a party . . .

Given the cost of elections, perhaps we need a change in philosophy . . . If the opposition brings down the government in a confidence vote that results in a general election, then the opposition parties pay for the cost of the election instead of the taxpayer . . . If they win, then the taxpayer pays . . . seems reasonable risk/return. Perhaps some kind of fiscal consequences tied to their actions would result in more responsible activity . . .

Bottom line - where is the accountability for our political leadership.

Geez - I'm pissed . . . thanks for letting my rant.

 

[CJ Tylers]

. . . power at any cost should be the CONSERVATIVE logo . . .

Edited to be more correct. Forming a coalition is not the terrible, irresponsible, power mongering that people make it out to be.. it is simply a democratic move.

That won't stop Harper from playing the abused victim, because it wins him sympathy from those who don't realize that the precedent was set many years ago... by a conservative party.

In fact, it is a very vital part of our government functionality... when one government is unable to operate properly, the GG must ask the opposition if they are able to form a government... if nnot, an election is called. If the opposition forms a majority party through a coalition, then they simply become the ruling party if the current government falls on a vote of confidence issue.

It is not only fair, but it is also represensational.... 65% of canadians voted for someone other that a Conservative ballot. If those 65% are now to be represented by a majority government...regardless of whom is the FIGUREHEAD... then how is that NOT a democratic action?

One last note, while not a coalition in the current defenition...the Conservative Party IS a coalition of right wingers... brought together in order to stop the fracturing of the center/right vote... had they not, the liberals or NDP would already be in power...and the conservatives would not have ever left the opposition seats.

Should you decry coalitions and look condescendingly upon the NDP/BLOC/LIBS... then first you should look very harshly upon the Conservatives. The back stabbing, power grabbing, and political assasination that went into the building of that coalition party still makes my head spin.

Poor Joe, he was a good guy.

To be quite honest, I think it is an oppositions party's DUTY to try to form a coalition to save the public from an election, should the government fall. The only thing I find a little crass is the publicity that they are giving the issue, and using it to "media browbeat" Harper into submission.

This sort of thing should be kept quiet, within the confines of the house of commons.

 

[Lesbian Hunter]

Jack Layton = Leadership = getting in bed with the Bloc (a party committed to the breakup of Canada) to gain power at any cost . . . interesting concept of leadership and looking out for our interest . . . power at any cost should be the NDP logo . . . quite simply a whore imo.

Bloc-NDP-Grit government a coalition for Canada: Layton

I am so sickened by the current events that are playing out in Ottawa, that I am ready to do something that I have never done in my life . . . make a monetary donation to a poltical party perhaps even more . . . actually work for a party . . .

Given the cost of elections, perhaps we need a change in philosophy . . . If the opposition brings down the government in a confidence vote that results in a general election, then the opposition parties pay for the cost of the election instead of the taxpayer . . . If they win, then the taxpayer pays . . . seems reasonable risk/return. Perhaps some kind of fiscal consequences tied to their actions would result in more responsible activity . . .

Bottom line - where is the accountability for our political leadership.

Geez - I'm pissed . . . thanks for letting my rant.

What are you pissed off at? Is it the fact that taxpayers subsidies political parties during elections? If so, it happens nearly everywhere in the world.

Give a read to Jeffrey Simpson's column in the Glode and Mail yesterday.

http://http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20081129.COSIMP29/TPStory/TPComment/?query=

 

[Bartdude]

And everything was just fine until the Conservatives turned off the public funding of political parties...

There is your real reason, MONEY, those other 3 are bankrupt, financially, ethically and morally bankrupt

Yup that's 2.00 a vote of our money those guys are after, that is all! Nobody else will fund them.

Hey genius - Harper pulled that off the table - as well as the ban on civil service union strikes - and the coalition's still on. In fact, a tentative deal's been finalized already.

What say you now?

What say you about a PM who's more concerned, and who devotes more energy towards, destroying his political opponents than doing his job?

Harper is playing political games - make no mistake, he mapped all of this out in advance, including the possibility of a LPC/NDP coalition.

Watch for a full reversal within a couple days.

 

[hunsperger]

So Bartdude, why the personal attack on me, am I not allowed an opinion? Slow, down, take a deep breath and relax, not like we can do anything about it, remember we are nothing but sheep in this country
Frankly he should have stuck to his guns and called a snap election, too bad he's as opportunistic as the rest of the bastards
Of course the coalition is still on, what else do they want, their debt loads eliminated too, they smell blood and want it all

You know the french did the right thing about 200 years ago, off the lot of them

yes indeed...

and a fine group of bastards they are...

all of them would sell their souls to the devil for money and power...

 

[jackcb]

It is not only fair, but it is also represensational.... 65% of canadians voted for someone other that a Conservative ballot. If those 65% are now to be represented by a majority government...regardless of whom is the FIGUREHEAD... then how is that NOT a democratic action?

Bullshit regarding representational seating. BC and Alberta alone have over a million more people than Quebec yet have 33% less seats in the house of commons. Its sick and disgusting that %10 of the popular vote canada wide awards 51 seats to the Bloc, whereas 17% of the popular vote and only 29 seats is awarded to the NDP.

 

[Shakerod]

This is the way the game is played in a Parliamentary system. The Cons gambled that their package full of nothing would pass, and the opposition called their bluff. That's the fragility of a minority government. As for Jack Layton dealing with the Bloc, in a minority government this is done all the time, including... for those who have memories of convenience the Cons dealing with the Bloc and the NDP to try and bring down Liberal Prime Minister Paul Martin. The REAL issue here is the Cons taping of a private caucus meeting, there are rules against that, and they should be charged.

 

[hunsperger]

This is the way the game is played in a Parliamentary system. The Cons gambled that their package full of nothing would pass, and the opposition called their bluff. That's the fragility of a minority government. As for Jack Layton dealing with the Bloc, in a minority government this is done all the time, including... for those who have memories of convenience the Cons dealing with the Bloc and the NDP to try and bring down Liberal Prime Minister Paul Martin. The REAL issue here is the Cons taping of a private caucus meeting, there are rules against that, and they should be charged.

hardly a sound defence of Layton and the NDP...

"it's done all the time"...

the REAL issue is, ALL of them, INCLUDING the NDP, are power and money hungry opportunistic bastards who can't see beyond the tips of their noses...

 

[hunsperger]

There is your real reason, MONEY, those other 3 are bankrupt, financially, ethically and morally bankrupt

and the Conservatives aren't...

give me a break...

the Conservatives are as pathetic as the rest of them...

 

[treveller]

In defence of the $1.85/ vote that taxpayers give to the parties, it is the only proportional part of the process, in contrast to the the way seats are won. Why should the Conservatives with 37% of the vote form the government and why doesn't the Green Party have any seats? Our present electoral system worked fine hundreds of years ago when there were only two parties. Now it is a huge problem and needs to be replaced.

As for the comment "power at any cost should be the NDP logo . . . quite simply a whore imo", we should avoid any analogies between politics and the sex trade. You risk unfairly insulting the sex trade and the honest people who work in it.

 

[rdt145]

Jack Layton now is a liberal

Why didn't you run as a liberal in the federal election. Those who voted for your NDP were not voting for Dion. This is false representation. The NDP party is finished and has been absorbed by the liberals.

 

[specialty69]

Dion

This guy has lost seats for his own Liberal Party in the last election, became a social outcast in his own Party, and now has the opportunity to become PM. What a joke??? This whole mess, along with the economic crisis will put Canada back. Watch our Canadian Loonie in the next few days.

 

[maude]

Yes . . .

Yes, agree a hot pussy is very useful . . . as opposed to a political dink!

As for the comment "power at any cost should be the NDP logo . . . quite simply a whore imo", we should avoid any analogies between politics and the sex trade. You risk unfairly insulting the sex trade and the honest people who work in it.

 

[maude]

Former C.A. member . . .

Jack Layton changes his political stripes whenever the opportunity suits his needs . . . so much for integrity, loyalty and leadership . . .

Why didn't you run as a liberal in the federal election. Those who voted for your NDP were not voting for Dion. This is false representation. The NDP party is finished and has been absorbed by the liberals.

 

[kafka555]

A Liberal/NDP coalition is good if you own shares in Ryder Truck.

With Taliban Jack in cabinet, they're gonna need a lot of trucks to shovel the money off of.

 

[Shakerod]

Jack Layton was never a Canadian Alliance member. His father was a Conservative, but Jack has always been a New Democrat. It sounds like a lot of sour grapes to me. Stephen Harper was trying to make the same deal with the Bloc, and the NDP when he was trying to bring down Paul Martin's minority government, that's because the foundation of a minority government is made of quicksand. THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS! DEAL WITH IT!

 

[MaxBoner]

Well, when I read the thread title I got a completely different idea...

 

[CJ Tylers]

^^ Precisely

As for the deal with votes garnered...I have problems with the current division of seats for both the senate and the house of commons... the west is most certainly under represented in both. Harpers numbers simply show that he gained more ridings in city areas, whereas the other parties more or less came from a more mixed support base.

That said, I was speaking about the popular vote...in which 65% of canadians voted for someone other than Harper. I NEVER said that they all voted for the NDP... you're mistaking a FIGUREHEAD (pretty boy, nothing much else) with what a COALITION party stands for (ie, not any one group... but ALL put together). THAT is what gathered 65% of the popular vote.

Something about unfair representation for the west... one of his founding issues.... long.... forgotten.

Unfortunately, we are still stuck in a electoral mode where a minority of the populace has the ability to hold power over the majority. Good luck getting ANY politician in power to change that... it's suicide to axe your best/biggest possible support bases.

Here's another thing... why should city votes count for more than rural votes? Per capita, the cities have more representation... really, shouldn't it be the same?

Either way, it's a moot point. As I've said before, a coalition is a perfectly reasonable and democratic methodology of protesting a minority governments rule.

Oh, by the way... Harpers initiative to cut the funding for parties was directly aimed at removing what little money the other parties are able to make use of to work off of.... campaign off of... parties that don't have the wealthy backers that the Conservatives do. Effectively, with that move, he would've been able to wipe out all opposition... parties would be bankrupted, campaigns could not be mounted... and all this from a position of financial superiority, the Conservatives would be pretty much unaffected (of course, the governing party gets a larger income as well). Kind of sounds like he's pushing for a one party system, eh? If that's something you'd like, well, we'll agree to disagree on that one.

Speaking of bankrupty, that was a pretty drastic change in the financial outlook from the finance minister. Perish the thought that all of their acclaimed financial acument relied on riding a wealthy market, rather than actual on sound financial planning. I know markets have tumbled, but a good planner can make money...or protect himself from losses... in any market.

I guess it's a little harder to be smug and condescending when you're colon is hanging around your ankles... mr flahetry.

 

[namssa]

Looks like the circus is coming to town.

Three ring circus I guess.....Liberals, NDP & the bloc.

Hey..........Abbott!!

The country is going to hell in a hand basket now!

 

[Sonny]

It's simple. Harper, with his ideological extremism and despotic inclinations, blew it.

Had he only been a reasonable fellow to the opposition while promoting the important elements of his platform, none this would have happened. Yes, there may have been some opposition howling about the lack of a stimulus plan (a truly amazingly stupid omission), but things would have never advanced as far as the possibility of a replacement coalition government.

I don't vote Conservative, but I accepted the fact they won the plurality of election votes and formed a minority government.

But Harper is such a dumb ass to have called the last election to begin with, breaking his own legislative promise, and wasting millions of taxpayer dollars... the opportunist buggar couldn't count the seats he needed to win, and he totally pissed off Quebec.

Then he completely alienates and infuriates the opposition through his crass partisanship, this when he has only a minority government! I guess he believed his party's character assasination of Dion advertisements, and now meglomaniac Stephen is paying the piper. Priceless!