my olive branch - what is the best things about the usa?

[luckydog71]

I think the same thing everytime I see a U.S. soldier interviewed on TV. Usually 19-21 years old, almost always a southern drawl, and sounds as dumb as a sock full of horse manure.

Dexi- I do understand why you view a US soldier with such distain. Drive around any US small town and you will see the Stars and Stripes everywhere. Drive around any Canadian town and you are lucky of you see any symbol of Canada.

Some people will look at these two scenarios and declare one is better than another. In fact they are different. I know many Canadians have difficulty understanding that, and obviously you are one of those Canadians.

American children are taught from a very early age what their heritage is. They are taught the constitution, what it means to them, and why they are better off than any other nation in the world because of their constitution.

You may have a problem with that. You may describe that person as sounding dumb as “a bag full of horse manure”.

I don’t.

Dexi – that soldier is the salt of the earth, well at least the salt of our country. He is what makes America great. He is what gives me the freedom to criticize my government. He is what protects me from the Muslim extremists that would like to come to my house and kill me. He is what allows me to live in freedom. Without him I would live in a country like Iraq.

So you may think of him as a bag of horse shit and that is your right. I think of him as my hero and I thank God every day that this soldier is a citizen of the United States of America.

 

[dittman]

I think the same thing everytime I see a U.S. soldier interviewed on TV. Usually 19-21 years old, almost always a southern drawl, and sounds as dumb as a sock full of horse manure.

you know dexi you dont have a fucking clue what you are talking about. typical hatefilled bs from a nonothing nobody. whos only glimmer of fame came from whining.

My son-in-law is one of those people that you spoke of but instead of 19-21 hes 28 from the sate of washing wounded doing what he though and still thinks was right oh by the way he does have a collage degree from the uofw. so really you and your hate mongers can piss off.

 

[georgebushmoron]

You may describe that person as sounding dumb as “a bag full of horse manure”.

But Dexi does have a point... and his point is that they are not that intelligent. It's a stupid point though, and shows his contempt for a soldier's honor. You wouldn't expect to find a bunch of Einsteins in the battlefield. Of course you send the Retards out front to die for your country first. And after they're dead or lost limbs, you get to talk about how special they are/were. It's a sad fact that most made that sacrifice for an increased chance at upward social mobility where otherwise their lives would not attain that of the more priviledged, like yours truly. America is the Land of Opportunity, but for some that opportunity has got to cost you your leg or your life rather than a bank loan.

I say send the Ivy League kids, and all the kids of Republicans and Democrats out to Iraq on the front lines. Let them earn their keep.

 

[dittman]

1. collage football

2. march madness

3. george w., karl rove, donald rumsfeld

4. the u.s constitution

5. the conservative movement

6. california women

7. florida women

8. texas women

9. not have to listen to gore or kerry as our presidents

10. knowing our culture and our history

11. not having the arrogance of alot of canadiens

12. not having the hate as alot of canadiens

13. living in a tolerant country(we even like liberals to a degree)

 

[luckydog71]

George, I am surprised at your response.

Our military is the smartest and brightest of any military ever.

You and I may have our political differences, but degrading the men and women who serve in the armed forces of the United States of America goes beyond our political differences.

Berate the commander in chief

Berate the high ranking generals

Berate the politicians who decided to send them to war.


But please I beg you…. Do not belittle the soldiers who are obeying orders.

We did that to our Vietnam vets. In our 200 year plus history this is the shame of the United States. We treated our Vietnam vets with such distain. To me Jane Fonda became the symbol of our evil. She did in public view what our own government did behind the scenes.

Jane Fonda is a traitor to the USA. But she is also a real reminder of what the rest of us are.

 

[luckydog71]

don't waste your breath, GBM is a lost cause and has gone back for seconds of the "USA is evil" kool-aid
HFS

Thanks HiFi. My biggest fear is the liberals and the DEMS will put down our soldiers. This has been their tactic for decades.

I can see the Libs wanting our brave soldiers to come back as the Vietnam vets did. Jane Fonda will be leading the cause and Teddy will be cheering her on.

Let there be no doubt. When my heroes return from Iraq, they will receive a hero’s welcome. Our next obligation is to ensure they get everything they are entitled to and more.

If I want to live in a country were the soldier is insignificant, I just need to move to Canada.

 

[georgebushmoron]

But please I beg you…. Do not belittle the soldiers who are obeying orders.

LD, you are an intelligent man, and I mean that from the bottom of my heart. Much more intelligent than most on this board. But do tell me... who was I really belittling? Was I belittling the man who made an unwise (perhaps stupid) decision by taking a chance at his life for upward social mobility, or was I belittling the politicians who cowardly enact war knowing full well their sons and daughters are not the ones to pay the price, and was I belittling the generals (who have ample intelligence) who use their brains to put the least valuable of our society out as cannon fodder?

God created all creatures, some more intelligent than others. It is no fault of theirs' what intelligence they were blessed with. None should receive condemnation except the intelligent ones who use their gift to bring misery to the less gifted.

 

[dexi]

Dexi- I do understand why you view a US soldier with such distain.

I don't actually. Your government, however, does. They say all the right things about what heroes they are, and send them into harm's way to protect the interests of the few.

Any person who risks their life to protect the lives of the many ARE heroes. Unfortunately, the U.S. soldier only THINKS they're doing that. Their intentions are indeed noble, and I wouldn't suggest otherwise.

Anyway, I was only trying to make a point. Someone made a ridiculous comment about how propoganda can be used to convince an "uneducated person to die for "King and Country", "God" or any other stupid reason."

I was merely pointing out the irony.

Care to supply a pie-chart showing the socio-economic makeup of the U.S. military? Pay special attention to the enlisted men and women (in other words, not the officers). How about one showing the years of post-secondary education. I bet the average Gap or Starbucks employee has spent more time roaming the hallowed halls of your esteemed educational institutions.

You speak of the greatness of your country, its constitution, the freedom of your people. Why is it that the poorest and least educated in your country are the ones who have to pay for your freedoms? The people with the most to lose are the ones unwilling to make the sacrifices.

And spare me the "hatemonger" bullshit. Anyone who disagrees with the GOP party line is a hatemonger. And liberals don't speak or argue, they "whine."
If the so-called "hatemonger" lefties were in the white house, your soldiers would be at home, where they should be. Or worst case, they'd be in Afghanistan, fighting a worthwhile fight, not protecting the interests of oil lobbyists.

A man you all know and love, Bill Clinton, once said "strength and wisdom are not mutually exclusive." I know that there have been times in your great country's history (and I mean that sincerely) where that was more than true, regardless of the leader. I don't believe this is one of those times.

 

[Kev]

Drive around any US small town and you will see the Stars and Stripes everywhere. Drive around any Canadian town and you are lucky of you see any symbol of Canada.

I also agree Canadians should be more patrotic in our homeland. However! I have found that Americans in America hold there heads up high. Take an American out of America (like Europe)and there heads aren't held so high. Americans know that American policy hurts other nations and many Americans 'i feel' are ashamed about it, but also helpless to do anything about it. That why in my reply to smackyo's original thread i felt his comments like...

most Americans are morons

hurtful. You can't hold every American accountable for US policy.

...but degrading the men and women who serve in the armed forces of the United States of America goes beyond our political differences.
Berate the commander in chief
Berate the high ranking generals
Berate the politicians who decided to send them to war.
But please I beg you…. Do not belittle the soldiers who are obeying orders.
We did that to our Vietnam vets. In our 200 year plus history this is the shame of the United States. We treated our Vietnam vets with such distain.

Amen with this reply lucky. The soldiers overseas from all nations are doing a great job. And what a shitty job they have. I for one was against the US invading Iraq, but i will never hold the soldiers accountable for being there.

 

[luckydog71]

... But do tell me... who was I really belittling? Was I belittling the man who made an unwise (perhaps stupid) decision by taking a chance at his life for upward social mobility, or was I belittling the politicians who cowardly enact war knowing full well their sons and daughters are not the ones to pay the price, and was I belittling the generals (who have ample intelligence) who use their brains to put the least valuable of our society out as cannon fodder?

God created all creatures, some more intelligent than others. It is no fault of theirs' what intelligence they were blessed with. None should receive condemnation except the intelligent ones who use their gift to bring misery to the less gifted.

Thanks George. We can debate policy all day long. But we both need to respect the vets.

Now let’s look at our current crop of vets.

The guy that fly’s that jet…….He is the best of the best that are capable of doing what they do.

The foot soldier that operates the very technical equipment he has at his disposal.

Our soldiers are the smartest in the world.

So now let’s look at the “cannon fodder”. First this is your choice of words not mine.

He / She is the guy who decide to enlist. They obviously looked at their opportunities in rural America and decided the military was their best shot at a career. They knew the risk and they went for it.

How is that different than the guy who decides to be a cop….or a fireman….

These guys put their life on the line every day. But we did not call them stupid. Why not? If we apply your logic no one should be a cop. Let the ghetto prey upon its self and let them kill each other.

Why would anyone in their right mind be a fireman? Let the building burn….if those inside are to stupid to leave a burning building…let them die….at least they will not pollute e the gene pool.

George….I am not a Vietnam vet……but I feel shame for the way we have treated them….you hit a sore spot and I reacted…..

 

[dexi]

To be clear:

I have a great deal of respect and love for the United States. It's one of the greatest countries on Earth.

The wisdom of your constitution and your bill of rights is boundless (I got some problems with some of the amendments, but let's not go there ) There are "moments" in your country's history which are truly awe inspiring. Achievements, sacrifices, lessons learned, great knowledge imparted.

And there are some which are truly shameful, as it must be with all nations. I believe and fear that we are currently living one of those "moments." A blip in history that will not be remembered well. Like the McCarthy hearings, or Vietnam, our children and grandchildren will shake their heads and ask "what were they thinking?"

Thus far in your history, you've learned from your mistakes. And if history relegates this current action in Iraq to the mistake column, I hope that you'll learn something from it.

 

[georgebushmoron]

George….I am not a Vietnam vet……but I feel shame for the way we have treated them….you hit a sore spot and I reacted…..

Vietnam Vets have been a downtrodden lot, disrespected, spat upon, even hated by the very people they served. While somewhat intelligent people who were against the war protested, they did not make themselves truly accountable for the responsibility they should have had when they voiced their opinions. And that responsibility was to the less intelligent masses who would then use the protests to unleash their hatred and contempt for those who simply were doing what they were told to do, and risking their lives to do it. And I hold the same criticism of those in power, who obviously are very intelligent, who utilise their brains to cause their followers tremendous iniquity and grief.

I don't for one hold soldiers responsible for acts of war, no matter how unjust the war. I don't hold responsible the Wehrmacht for the elimination of 20 million Russians and 6 million Jews. I don't mean this as an insult, but good soldiers are just sheep. Send them off a cliff, and they'll follow one after the other. Tell them they have to massacre a city, and they'll do their job if they are good soldiers. They will suffer all kinds of moral torture for the rest of their lives doing it, but they held themselves to account to the people they pledged to serve.

So I hit your Patriot button and you felt shame. That shame shows your true valor as a real American with a conscience. While we may not agree on the application of your conscience, nevertheless I was the bastard who took lengths to extract your response.

 

[mick_eight]

All the people who slam the men and women in uniforms of there countrys should try 6 months of boot camp and see what they are made of ,before they start knocking anyone that did..They may not be as educated as you ,but at least they have some balls and guts and don't quit when things get tough

 

[necko]

What I like about the USA

I love long neck Buds and NFL football except the Super bowl. I don't agree with the aaamerican gov't but then I don't have too which is another reason I like about USA, But every American Serviceman should be respected aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand those who give their life for their country Honoured>

 

[threepeat]

Soccer

In another sport most Americans don't care about, the U.S. has just risen to No. 6 in the FIFA world rankings of soccer nations, ahead of France, England, Germany, Spain, and Portugal, among others.

Why? Just cause they can.

 

[georgebushmoron]

In another sport most Americans don't care about, the U.S. has just risen to No. 6 in the FIFA world rankings of soccer nations

Soccer is the best sport in the world.

 

[BC visitor]

Title 9

This is another thing that is great about the US.

Title 9 allowed for equal opportunities for women's sports in public schools.

I think this has led to a generation of women that have more confidence in themselves and what they can do.

.... and confident women are sexy women!