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lenny

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I don't know if you realized this but that links to an article written by another one of those quacks/abolitionists.

I don't know the guy's personal beliefs or accomplishments in this world. The quotes from him and others in my post were a comment upon the extent of human trafficking in and through Canada, which claims to be quite extensive, and especially the related subject of the extent of human sex trafficking.

I knew a street sex worker in the DTES who claimed she was previously force fed drugs by a black pimp to make her an addict under his control. He also threatened to harm her mother should she ever try to escape. Fortunately she is now both pimp and drug free since several years ago and living a normal happy life in another province.

As for the Sally Ann, i have benefited from their offerings of free food {Harbour Light}, clothing and shelter when i was destitute. I can't recall ever supporting them financially and i'm sure even their top brass don't agree 100% with everything they stand for, do and believe. If one is looking for flaws, they can be found in any charity one could donate to.
 

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I don't know the guy's personal beliefs or accomplishments in this world. The quotes from him and others in my post were a comment upon the extent of human trafficking in and through Canada, which claims to be quite extensive, and especially the related subject of the extent of human sex trafficking.
I realized you probably weren't aware and That's why I brought it your attention. I think it's important to be aware of someone's agenda and it should always raise a red flag as to their motivations and bias when reading something.



As for the Sally Ann, i have benefited from their offerings of free food {Harbour Light}, clothing and shelter when i was destitute. I can't recall ever supporting them financially and i'm sure even their top brass don't agree 100% with everything they stand for, do and believe. If one is looking for flaws, they can be found in any charity one could donate to.
Whether or not some individuals agree 100% doesn't matter. What matters is what the organization itself is actually doing. It also matters what the person they choose as a representative and main spokesperson says or believes and I've posted some of this above.


Btw - SA is also responsible for running the "John's school" programs in Canada.



I'm adding a few links I've just come across to the ones I posted above. For anyone interested in the information:


http://www.swaay.org/action/google.html

http://www.thenation.com/article/crusade-against-sex-trafficking

http://www.thenation.com/article/beyond-rescue

http://bitchmagazine.org/article/trade-secrets
 

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The boycott must be working, as of this weekend,donations are down 50% with less than a week to go.
I imagine you are joking about the reason.

There are a lot of news reports about Christmas charity and food bank donations falling short throughout North America.

I expect it is because far more people are struggling themselves this year, which combined with a greater need for many families on the brink of collapse, does not paint a pretty picture.

People should not have to depend on charity for shelter and for food to feed their kids -- there is another thread where people keep saying this is a prosperous country. I guess it is for some.
 

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I imagine you are joking about the reason.

There are a lot of news reports about Christmas charity and food bank donations falling short throughout North America.

I expect it is because far more people are struggling themselves this year, which combined with a greater need for many families on the brink of collapse, does not paint a pretty picture.

People should not have to depend on charity for shelter and for food to feed their kids -- there is another thread where people keep saying this is a prosperous country. I guess it is for some.
:thumb:, tell him what he's won Don Pardoe :D Yeah i'd have to agree with your assumption HQ. I think every ones feeling the squeeze now. So many working poor now, really sad to see in a country with such an abundance of natural resources....
However i did see i nice story on the news where a mom caught her son wasting his school lunch, so she made him take $50 out of his account & make sandwiches for the less fortunate.
 

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:thumb:, tell him what he's won Don Pardoe :D Yeah i'd have to agree with your assumption HQ. I think every ones feeling the squeeze now. So many working poor now, really sad to see in a country with such an abundance of natural resources....
However i did see i nice story on the news where a mom caught her son wasting his school lunch, so she made him take $50 out of his account & make sandwiches for the less fortunate.
CBC has a story....a BMO study says Canadians are spending or going to spend 7% more this xmas, over last year.

But yeah, I don't think you can attribute the 50% less this charity has received is due to their moral stance.
 

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Whether or not some individuals agree 100% doesn't matter. What matters is what the organization itself is actually doing.
When it comes to what charitable organization to support, i'd want to consider both what they are doing and what they believe. But, like i said, none is going to be 100% flawless. The more you dig into any of them the more dirt you are going to uncover. But feel free to keep digging. Someone might be interested in info to help them decide on what will be the charity of their choice. Personally i wouldn't support any that are pro abortion/infanticide/murder.


Btw - SA is also responsible for running the "John's school" programs in Canada.
Are they still running? Perhaps the school is a better option than going to court, prison or having a criminal record.
 

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are you pro-life? you don't support abortion even in cases of incest and rape...? i believe the international charter of human rights states that a woman's body is her own to control even over a fetus having the right to use her body to grow in.....what about in cases where a woman's life is at risk if she carries to term.....

infanticide.....? oh dear lenny....

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lenny

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you don't support abortion even in cases of incest and rape...?
I don't and i think the lord agrees with me. Two wrongs don't make a right.
And adding a second wrong to the first, which is even worse, doesn't
correct the first wrong.

i believe the international charter of human rights states that a woman's body is her own to control even over a fetus having the right to use her body to grow in.....

Considering that the baby infant inside her is also a woman 50% of the time,
it is evident they should have equal rights to life and neither should have the
right to murder the other.

what about in cases where a woman's life is at risk if she carries to term.....
If my life is at "risk", does that give me the right to murder someone else.

Thou shalt not murder. End of discussion.
 

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Thou shalt not murder. End of discussion.
lenny, just to be clear on the tenets of your obviously strongly held faith - where does it stand on people murdering themselves by their choices in life? :confused:
 

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Is he just trolling, trying to start shit or is he actually seriously giving this as arguments? :confused:

He's trolling, right?



Personally i wouldn't support any that are pro abortion/infanticide/murder.

Whatever Lenny, I prefer those who support a woman's right to make decisions that concern her own body. You seem to think you're entitled to call the shots here. Let me clarify this for you and hopefully clear up any misunderstandings here: No one's asking you to support anything, no one needs your support or your approval either.


Besides, you participate in infanticide/murder most likely at least once a day: The animals that are killed because you think they taste good - they're actually fully formed, breathing on their own, definitely alive, aware and undeniably sentient. There's no doubt they feel everything that's inflicted upon them during their short, miserable life and because they also have complex cognitive capacities and the same instinctual will to live, they don't willingly volunteer to have their throat slit (hopefully after being stunned properly but that's hit and miss really) and get to experience the intense stress and fear while they are led to be slaughtered.


That sounds a hell of of a lot more gruesome and a lot closer to murder to me. Yet that doesn't stop you from supporting they're violent and premature death for no reason other than finding their flesh tasty. No one has abortion for their personal pleasure. The animals you eat are basically infants. At most, juveniles. No one intentionally gets pregnant to have an abortion because they think it's tasty. (I'm not trying to offend all meat eaters - just those hypocritical enough to make bs comments about "infanticide" and "murder". I'm very sorry but I'm not letting that pass without pointing out how ridiculous it is.)


Don't give me that shit about some big moral objection to womens' right to decide - a position you'll conveniently never have to be in. Don't give me that kind of inflammatory BULL, while your morals about the sacredness of life is obviously limited to those situations that don't entail any discomfort or sacrifice for you personally.





I don't and i think the lord agrees with me. Two wrongs don't make a right.
And adding a second wrong to the first, which is even worse, doesn't
correct the first wrong.

Considering that the baby infant inside her is also a woman 50% of the time,
it is evident they should have equal rights to life and neither should have the
right to murder the other.

If my life is at "risk", does that give me the right to murder someone else.

Thou shalt not murder. End of discussion.

End of discussion? Who's discussion? The one you're having with yourself (and your imaginary bearded buddy up in the clouds?) maybe. But I wasn't aware your opinion was actually relevant in "the" actual discussion on women's choices. It's one of those discussion where its understood that unless you have the mandatory uterus, you don't get to decide when the discussion starts or ends. You're an observer and you get your chance to give your opinion if you want - you don't get to call the shots or "end the discussion".


"Thou shalt not kill", you say? (it doesn't say murder, it says kills. Isn't that pretty basic? But anyway..)


So...what of the other 9 commandments? I wasn't aware you could just pick and choose whichever ones to follow and ignore those that weren't convenient? Is your bearded man in the clouds cool with that? Cause I was under the impression that "Thou shalt not fornicate" was pretty non negotiable within that crowd? Actually, I'm pretty sure there are lots of loopholes to get around the killing commandment (I mean if there are loopholes to justify war and genocide in the name of religion/god for example...) but fornication seems to be pretty solid and straightfoward (well, not counting the tried and true "pedophile priest" option but not everyone's cut out for that so that's not usually a good option), I always figured it would be harder to bypass. How did you manage?


Or did the bearded dude in the clouds personally give you his blessing to go right ahead and exploit others' poverty, bad situations or addictions and not even worry about that one silly commandment? Pfffft. 1st, bearded man in the cloud talking to you through Outdated storybook after countless translations, interpretations from its original purpose of maintaining order amongst populations of illiterate. Sorry to say this but seriously!


2nd, I can understand a bunch of uncivilized, unhygienic and illiterate people 2000 years ago buying the fairytales but in 2011? Please. Sorry if that's offensive to some. It's not my business what you believe but don't come and tell me all that bs about infanticide/murder in reference to abortion. (I mean, if I believed in Santa Claus I'd keep that to myself, maybe a few friends - but I wouldn't bring that up to argue a point and expect others to go along) Since conveniently that is not ever going to be something you personally are faced with, who the hell are you to tell any woman what she can and cannot do? But the most absurd of it all is you're actually trying to justify it by bringing up some imaginary bearded man up in the clouds who's apparently told someone 2000 years ago? All this while you simply ignore everything else he said because it's kind of a bummer for you, You or your imaginary buddy in the clouds don't get to tell women they can't make a decision about their own bodies.


I think you were born 2000 years too late, Lenny. It's 2011 and honestly, you can keep that kind of bullshit to yourself from now on. I don't want to hear it, you don't get a vote on this so keep that crap to yourself ESPECIALLY when it has nothing to do with the OT and you're obviously just trying to start shit.




Are they still running? Perhaps the school is a better option than going to court, prison or having a criminal record.

Well, maybe but if the SA and others have their way, that wont be an option at all. Court, prison and criminal record is what you can look forward to. I'm sure they'll pray for you though.




Anyway, I had to get that out. I'm done, Troll.
 

luvsdaty

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Besides, you participate in infanticide/murder most likely at least once a day: The animals that are killed because you think they taste good - they're actually fully formed, breathing on their own, definitely alive, aware and undeniably sentient. There's no doubt they feel everything that's inflicted upon them during their short, miserable life and because they also have complex cognitive capacities and the same instinctual will to live, they don't willingly volunteer to have their throat slit (hopefully after being stunned properly but that's hit and miss really) and get to experience the intense stress and fear while they are led to be slaughtered.


That sounds a hell of of a lot more gruesome and a lot closer to murder to me. Yet that doesn't stop you from supporting they're violent and premature death for no reason other than finding their flesh tasty. No one has abortion for their personal pleasure. The animals you eat are basically infants. At most, juveniles. No one intentionally gets pregnant to have an abortion because they think it's tasty. (I'm not trying to offend all meat eaters - just those hypocritical enough to make bs comments about "infanticide" and "murder". I'm very sorry but I'm not letting that pass without pointing out how ridiculous it is.)




Your rant about meat eaters sounds just as juvinile as his religious dogma.I don't believe in organized religion, but there are several billion that do.So i think you have to respect a persons decision to follow any perticular religion(just as much as we need to respect a woman's right to choose)
I personally don't try to convince people to eat meat or hunt & fish(all of which i do) So i would like it if others(religious people, vegans)don't try & force there beliefs on me.
 

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Your rant about meat eaters sounds just as juvinile as his religious dogma.I don't believe in organized religion, but there are several billion that do.So i think you have to respect a persons decision to follow any perticular religion(just as much as we need to respect a woman's right to choose)
I personally don't try to convince people to eat meat or hunt & fish(all of which i do) So i would like it if others(religious people, vegans)don't try & force there beliefs on me.

Can you read?
(Cause you can't spell. It's juvenile, particular and their beliefs. - You're welcome.)


miss*bijou said:
(I'm not trying to offend all meat eaters - just those hypocritical enough to make bs comments about "infanticide" and "murder". I'm very sorry but I'm not letting that pass without pointing out how ridiculous it is.)
miss*bijou said:
Sorry if that's offensive to some. It's not my business what you believe but don't come and tell me all that bs about infanticide/murder in reference to abortion.

miss*bijou said:
who the hell are you to tell any woman what she can and cannot do?


I didn't bring up his religious non-sense, he did. He brought up abortion when it was totally off topic and he brought up religion too. He's blatantly hypocritical and it's not disrespectful to say so - it's call reality and honesty. I'm not sure where in my post you read anything about trying to convince you or anyone else for that matter to become vegan or vegetarian. Because I didn't. I was bringing it up to show how hypocritical it was.

I don't see how doing this means I was trying to convince or force my beliefs on anyone. Go read it again, you're way off. If the truth bothers you, that's not my problem. I don't care if you eat meat or not but I don't have any desire to pretend for your benefit. If it bothers your conscience to hear it without any sugar coating or feelgood euphemisms, that's for you to sort out.
 

lenny

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After recieving some private feedback, i will have no further comments on this topic [abortion].
It may be a bit too hot to handle & has, in any case, certainly already been discussed ad nauseum
in numerous online forums. I agree that my remarks have been too "forceful" and, as i cannot
guarantee that won't continue re this subject, i will bid you adieu.


Can you read?

"He brought up abortion when it was totally off topic"
The OP brings up the subject at least 3 times. Also post 22 comments upon it at length.
 
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