MPs and FKK Clubs–Principles,Safe Sex,Etc

[Jerrick1317]

Another thread discusses restrictions and safe sex in our MPs versus FKK clubs in Germany. I have some background on this, would like to share it in a more general context.
In the way of intro - societies in Germany (and Holland, Czech, etc) realize that Sex Providers (SPs) truly benefit the community. We all know that, right . The difference is that in those countries, sex-related professions are treated – politically and socially – as fully equal to other service professionals (e.g. car mechanics), and so enjoy full benefits - medi-care, vacation, pensions, tax deductions, etc. SP’s social status is on par with their contributions – such as attracting business to communities, and making the society sexually-satisfied, which leads to a low rate of sex-related crime. Of course, prostitution and all sex-related business activities are legal and open – which benefits both the SP’s and the clients, because enjoyable services are provided safely and economically. I guess we still have work to do to achieve that in our society, too, but that’s another topic.
In Germany, FKK and PartyTreff are the most popular clubs that offer sex-for-fee. In FKK, you pay an entry fee, then an additional fee for every sex act, which takes place in a private room. In PartyTreff, you pay an all-inclusive entry fee, then you are free to have sex as many times as you want with any and all of the SP’s in-house (usually 3 to 6), and/or with other guests. However, there are no private rooms in PartyTreff clubs, and all guests can watch one another at all times. I personally like PartyTreff a lot more, because you can enjoy a six-hour all-inclusive party for appr. CAD 250-300.
Now, some comments on restrictions and safe sex practices. In FKK and PartyTreff, SPs and guests usually engage in oral sex without protection, and vaginal/anal intercourse always with protection. Their risk assessment is based on the relatively low incidence of STD’s in Germany. Also, the risk of getting the really bad one - HIV - through oral sex is low (unless there are cuts or sores, etc). The risks of other STDs (e.g. gonorrhea, chlamydia) are certainly much higher, but these are not deadly – treatable with antibiotics – and so considered as “work hazards” (they are probably getting a tax break on this, no kidding). Anyway, most of us know this stuff - if not better learn. I personally prefer to give up some pleasures and not worry about my test results a few weeks/months later; but, as Tiffany here wisely observed - each of us has to decide how much risk he or she takes. …
Jerrick

 

[burnman]

Like I said, I feel totally comfortable doing DFK, DATY, BBBJ and CIM with a SP. I don't believe that the occurance of STDs is any greater in Canada than in Europe. The risk of catching some of the STDs you mentioned is very, very, very low thru oral sex and kissing. And like in Europe, anything above that is covered always.

For me, DATY is a bare minimum for me to stay with a SP. I've been to FKK clubs as well and as far as I'm concerned being allowed to partake in the subject activities make the experience totally awsome.

Today I walked out on two SP because they would not allow me DATY. It's a shame, because they were really nice girls, the company of which I would have enjoyed very much. I'm not the kink of guy who needs to visit MPs or blow up. I enjoy the company of fine women and if I they can't provide me with the service I want, I leave. It's their choice and mine too.

 

[Ghetto Child]

But what did you miss

I have stayed with SP that do not offer DATY but have had a really great time. I think it would have been such a loss if did not spend the time with her.

I love DATY a lot. A whole lot. But i have been with some pretty hot SP's without getting DATY and still enjoyed the service.

 

[Tiffany]

Ofcourse I need to respond to this!!!

I'm not here to knock you or your personal choices, so I may post mine as well.

As you say that the risks of catching something through DATY, BBBJ or CIM are very low, I beg to differ. Being a woman and knowing anatomy, especially my own, there are many things that can ruin our bodies for life.

To start you can get an infection through any sexual contact. They are spread through bodily fluids. Yes saliva can also spread infection although very low.

The first minor infection is vaginitis. To you men this may be minor but it can be very serious for us. The most common forms are yeast, trichomoniasis, and bacterial vaginosis (BV). Females usually show the symptoms, but males can have it as well with absolutely no symptoms. These infections are easily overlooked as the symptoms are not always noticable. Leaving these untreated can lead to cervical cancer and endometriosis. As a young woman I may still need these organs to have children.

Another one is HPV or Human Papillomavirus which also may cause genital warts. Some types of HPV can lead to cancers in both males and females, like anal cancer, cancer of the penis and vagina. Even though condoms can reduce your risk, it can still be passed from skin to skin contact. To my knowledge more than 50% of the population carries this virus and has no idea.

How about Chlamydia and Gonorrhea???

Up to 50% of males and 80% of females have no symptoms!!
The most common place for infection is the urethra in males and the cervix in females. In both sexes the eyes, throat and the rectum can be infected.

Maybe we should look at Syphilis. Very scary. I have been warned by my doctor that this infection is becoming more and more common each day. There is so much to say about this you'll probably overlook it. So I suggest reading about it. This one you may never get rid of, and it can be mistaken for other illnesses.

Crabs or scabies anyone??

You don't even need to have sex to get them!!

I could go on and on for days, but this is a very brief look at the most popular ones.

So really how safe do you feel knowing all this?? Think of this, how many sexual partners do we have in life?? How many partners do us sp's have?? I think you get my point. The odds are very scary.

What else is scary is that I have seen green cum. Yes very green. And the smell is often alarming. My first thought is they have an infection of some sort. This is actually quite common to see. So if your spunk smells like funk and is green, you need to check yourself.

 

[Jerrick1317]

Tiffany's point and other ways to pleasure

Hi,
I think we get your point, Tiffany. The STD risks are real for any unprotected sex, including oral. Obviously, both the clients and SPs should be responsible enough not to get into any sex when they know they are infected. Like the guy with green cum - he should be visiting the STD clinic instead of MPs. Even if 100% compliance is unrealistic, you are right promoting safe sex.
So what can we do to keep DATYing happily? Well, lets consider female condoms. Basically, they provide the same level of protection as the classic male ones. I offered them to two SPs in Edmonton. Initially, none of them was enthusiastic, I think because of lack of experience with them. One agreed though, and then admitted she thoroughly enjoyed the session.
I wonder if you have any experience with them, and would you allow a client to perform DATY with a female condom?
Jerrick
P.S. I hope that despite all those risks, you are still finding some fun with your job?

 

[leesalewis]

Hpv

Another new one I did some research on is HPV.... Unfortunatly... its able to transfer to other sexual partners even if you are wearing a condom... so really sex isnt safe anymore even when you are trying to be safe.

I dont believe in BBBJ's or anything unsafe. DATY well like I said, its up to the girl to assess the risk before allowing that....

But HPV is basically warts. On a man, you can usually tell cause they will have a red markings all over, which is the start of warts, or they will have warts visible on there penis or around the area, with woman its harder to know if they have it as HPV can sit on there cervix, inside the woman. So either inside or outside.... it can be transfered with or without a condom...

There are many scary things out there.....
Thats for sure...
Me personally I do not do BBBJ or BBFS or anything that provides not using a condom as I prefer to be as safe as I possibly can, but being in this business, I know I am taking a risk personally, cause not everything can be safe. Even if you are trying your hardest.

ALYSON

 

[Tiffany]

Hpv is a bacterial infection which throws our our natural good bacterias out of sync with our bodies. You do not always get warts. Only with certain strings of the infection. Most cases it is of minor concern, but left untreated it can become serious. Yes it is true that most people do have it. Just very few actually know about it. You know those wonderful little pamphlets they have in any doctors office? Start reading them, it's amazing what you learn!!

I hope my comments don't make me sound like a prude, but it worries me about the lack of knowledge most have when it comes to this "hobby" or job. Because this is my job I have taken the time to learn about all the risks and try to keep myself and my clients as safe as possible. It doesn't mean I don't enjoy myself because I definately do, I just found alternative ways to make the most of my experiences.

Tiff

 

[GiGi]

Hpv is a bacterial infection which throws our our natural good bacterias out of sync with our bodies.

Just thought I'd throw in my two cents here - actually HPV is Human Papilloma Virus, and is not a bacterial infection. Just covered these topics in class a few weeks ago . . .

You might be referring to BV (bacterial vaginosis), which is a bacterial infection caused by a proliferation of "good" bacteria (such as Lactobacilli).

 

[Masterful]

No Daty, No Dice

I once walked out of three MPs in a row when daty wasn't available. Luckily for us daty and dfk are now on the menu of an increasing number of SPs in E-town, thanks to competition and PERB.

I understand the the risks but what the heck, I stand a greater chance of dying in a road accident than doing oral on an SP. That hasn't stopped me from drivin and it ain't gonna stop me from datying.

 

[Ghetto Child]

No real test for guys

The big problem I have found is that there is no real test in the works for guys to see if they have HPV. Every site I have seen so far has medical test for women. If they really want to stop the spread the medical community needs to get off their asses and get working on a proper test for the male half of the population.

 

[Tiffany]

Sorry GiGi

You are correct. I have been referring to many STD's here. I stated it correctly in my first post.

Either way, doing things without proper protection is setting yourself up to possibly catch something you'd rather not have, and maybe never get rid of.

Funny thing about the DATY, the majority of the guys that inquire about this seem to have bad oral hygiene!! I'm not saying all of you, but it's kinda funny when some guy comes up to you and smiles with bad breath and black teeth.

I know that doesn't really belong here but I had to mention it.

My point is that if we offer DATY, BBBJ, and CIM to every guy, say an average of 5 guys per shift, 4 shifts per week. That equals 20 a week, 4 weeks a month. 80 guys a month, 12 months a year, that equals 960.

With those calculations, it puts us all at risk.

 

[lwron]

For a person boasting to be so learned in her field of work, at least for the hazards, you should know that they are not called STD's anymore, they are STI's.

 

[burnman]

I kind of wish that SP had some way of posting their restictions and extra services. I agree with Masterful, what the hell. I usually walk out when DATY is not on the menu. I'd certainly like a girl that offered DFK and BBBJ with CIM and if I found her, there would be lots of repeats.

 

[dipitydoo]

What else is scary is that I have seen green cum. Yes very green. And the smell is often alarming. My first thought is they have an infection of some sort. This is actually quite common to see. So if your spunk smells like funk and is green, you need to check yourself.

OMFG!! naaaasty, GREEN cum I feel for you Tiffany. It still amazes me what you SPs can do as far as tolerating many unsightly and unpleasant clients and even be able to put on a show and not let the repulsion show through.

Having said that, every SP has the right to choose how much she can offer, including BBBJ as long as it's between consenting adults.

 

[Tiffany]

As green cum is nasty, who are we to judge?? If you don't feel the need to protect yourself and others...

Who knows maybe he likes green!!!

As for the STI response, I was going to state that, but then, being educated and all, only some are infections while some are still diseases. If you can't cure it, it's a diease. If the word infection makes you feel safer go with that. Still it's all the same.

 

[Masterful]

The hunt for Daty

I find that sps who offer daty are more fun and open minded. I don't expect bbbj and quite often dfk happens but I will not stay for a session if daty isn't on the menu.

If you're clean and have the personality about half the sps you ask will agree to daty. And that's in E-town.