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Mr.Boggo

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Kind of hard to pronounce that proposed name. I guess they got it first though, so I have no problem with them changing the name, but will anyone actually call it the new name or will it still just be known as Stanley Park...than again, to the victors go the spoils.
 

Ray

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We were just discussing this on Canada Day at a BBQ.

Doesn't changing a name simply because it's English racist in itself?

The present inhabitants have no idea what the previous occupants called things.
 

Thatotherguy

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There are 3 things wrong with that idea.

First, it's absolutely idiotic to start changing the names of all places back to the earliest name we know of for them. Virtually every place name on the planet would change, and the new (old) names would mean absolutely nothing to the majority of the people living there, as well as causing needless confusion.

Second, the name Xwayxway never referred to the whole area - it referred to a village where Lumberman's Arch is now. Guess what, the village isn't there anymore. An argument could be made for calling that small area where the village once was Xwayxway, but there's no logical reason to rename the entire park that. By the same logic, perhaps we should rename the Fraser Canyon Boston Bar after the now-vanished town that once occupied a tiny portion of it.

Third, the first nations never dedicated the area 'to the use and enjoyment of peoples of all colours, creeds, and customs, for all time,' it was Lord Stanley who did that.
 
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Honestly it's time to move on from all this silliness. There comes a time when people have to stop living in the past and move forward.
 

Holly Taylor

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There comes a time when people have to stop living in the past and move forward.
Recognizing past wrongs and establishing reconciliatory practices is moving forward...
 
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steverino

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I tought Evening Guy changed his handle to Niteowl in deference to his native heritage.
 

Holly Taylor

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It is my understanding that name changes of this sort are fairly common when trying to address remaining issues of colonialism impacting indigenous groups. Many parts of South Africa have been renamed in order to recognize the history and culture of the people whose land was taken over.

It is also common practice to apologize for past wrongs, even in cases where people are long dead, or when very few remain who were actually impacted. I can think of a few examples:

-The British government apologized in 2010 for the "home children" program which lasted from 1869 to 1939.

-The Canadian government apologized to Chinese people who were forced to pay the head tax from 1885 to 1923.

What is so interesting about the situation with Canada's indigenous peoples is that these events are not from "long ago." Several residential schools were still operating in the 1970s. I know someone who went to a residential school. This is not "the past" in the way that the 1600s is the past. There are events in the recent past which are still affecting the lives and opportunities for Canada's indigenous peoples today.

Recognizing the wrongs that have been done to these people (some of them very recently, and some of them ongoing) is essential in moving forward and building stronger, healthier relationships with them.
 
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Recognizing past wrongs and establishing reconciliatory practices is moving forward...
We all recognize there were many, many wrongs...there is no question about that. Not just with the treatment of The First Nations people either. What about the Japanese here during the war? All I am saying is, giving Billions of Dollars and changing names of places isn't the answer for something that happened how long ago? Where does it start and where does it end?

Stanley Park is known around the world as a tourist destination, that brings in a lot of money to this province. Knowing what's going on in the world right now economically, does it really make sense to do it?

Ayways, I respect your opinion :)
 

Mr.Boggo

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All I am saying is, giving Billions of Dollars and changing names of places isn't the answer for something that happened how long ago? Where does it start and where does it end?
It's funny, when some of us have a bad session, we rant and rave and hold a grudge, vowing to never see this SP again. Imagine how pissed off we'd be if this SP tried to murder us too.

I'm not Native, so I can't understand what it's like. I do know that if one day, I'm doing my thing and someone comes around and kills my family, takes my shit and beats me down, I wouldn't forget it, I'd also tell future generations, here's what went down, so be weary.

I don't think any of us would realistically say, whatever, it's in the past, forget that they tried to kill all of us off. I'm sure many Japanese haven't forgotten about the camps, I'm sure many Chinese haven't forgotten what the Japanese did to Nanking, and I'm sure many Jews haven't forgotten about what they went through.

Not that I think giving money is really a solution. I've been to Rankin Inlet and some other reserves just for work, and it's like third world conditions at many of these places. Instead of giving them a pile of money and saying here you go, I'd rather they took that money and built something for the kids futures...but that's just me, I'm kind of a lefty nut.

Although, like I said previously, to the victors go the spoils.
 

manni

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ditch it.
hard to pronounce and a spelling stumper.
this political correctness, first nation ass kissing, must simply stop!
 
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I'm not Native, so I can't understand what it's like. I do know that if one day, I'm doing my thing and someone comes around and kills my family, takes my shit and beats me down, I wouldn't forget it, I'd also tell future generations, here's what went down, so be weary.

I don't think any of us would realistically say, whatever, it's in the past, forget that they tried to kill all of us off. I'm sure many Japanese haven't forgotten about the camps, I'm sure many Chinese haven't forgotten what the Japanese did to Nanking, and I'm sure many Jews haven't forgotten about what they went through.
I never said anything about forgetting what happened. I just said changing well know names (world wide), throwing money and more land at people doesn't solve any problems. You said that yourself.
 

sonoman

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Recognizing past wrongs and establishing reconciliatory practices is moving forward...
Exactly. Some people are just too ignorant to get that.


It is my understanding that name changes of this sort are fairly common when trying to address remaining issues of colonialism impacting indigenous groups. Many parts of South Africa have been renamed in order to recognize the history and culture of the people whose land was taken over.

It is also common practice to apologize for past wrongs, even in cases where people are long dead, or when very few remain who were actually impacted.

Recognizing the wrongs that have been done to these people (some of them very recently, and some of them ongoing) is essential in moving forward and building stronger, healthier relationships with them.
You are correct. Well said. (I can tell you're a student. ;) )


I'm not Native, so I can't understand what it's like. I do know that if one day, I'm doing my thing and someone comes around and kills my family, takes my shit and beats me down, I wouldn't forget it, I'd also tell future generations, here's what went down, so be weary.
Exactly; that's why this is important.


ditch it.
this political correctness, first nation ass kissing, must simply stop!
Just plain ignorant. Spoken like true white folk...
 
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