Looking for BBBJ and Rimming

[Valium]

Meiko,
Do you have any formal medical training or education? You speak of risks, without identifying them? What specific infections do you believe can be communicated through BBBJ and their respective transmission rates?
Whilst I can appreciate your personal opinion and perspective on these acts, I would strongly suggest you instead engage in pragmatic dialogue using imperical data.

There is no need to have any medical training to be aware of the risks. It is common knowledge than unprotected sex (either FS or bbbj) has greater inherent risks that protected sex. If you doubt this then you are an idiot. The exact percentages or transmission rates are irrelevant, all you need to know is that the risks increase with unprotected sex. If you want "emperical data" then you can search for it yourself but I'm sure you already know what you will find.

Personally if someone else wants to engage in unprotected sex with an SP then I don't really care. It is their choice, and as long as they realize the risks then why should anyone else condemn them for it. Everyone has different comfort levels when it comes to risk taking but that doesn't mean they are stupid for wanting to try skydiving or rock climbing or any other risky activities that people do on a daily basis.

Meiko you are certainly entitled to your own opinion and personally I agree with you, but I don't agree with the way you presented your opinion here. And calling someone stupid for doing something you wouldn't do is implying that you are better than them. They are just not as conservative as you, and are willing to take more risks.

I think we should all listen to expo joe:

I think we should leave this issue as a private one and "to each their own". Pooners and providers alike can choose to do what they want with who they want and under terms and conditions agreeable to each other....

 

[smackyo]

i have an idea, why don't we just never have sex ever. then there is no risk of anything.

 

[Dulcinea]

The risks for bbbj are similar to daty, meiko, do you allow daty and if you do, do you charge more for it? Do you kiss? All an exchange of body fluids, btw.

I find it interesting that many of the girls who allow clients to eat them out, and offer that extra sight unseen, won't touch that same clients bare cock with a 10 foot pole.

Then there are the clients who are so opposed to a girl offering bbbj that they strike her off their to do list, meanwhile, they have tasted every pussy from here to eternity.

Just a bit hypocritical?

This all reminds me of the massage parlours, the greater the risk (activity), the bigger the tip. Traditionally, escorts use a flat rate system and don't usually charge more for extras, while in the MP's, the services increase directly proportional to tip requested.

 

[Dulcinea]

mad at you?

don't you hate that when that happens?

oh well

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

i'm quite sure you are sweetheart, and honestly in my opinion you sound like a very nice girl and little cutie to boot. but making other peoples bussiness YOUR bussiness will not change peoples minds. like i said i really doubt with all your facts and figures about disease and what not you are going to discourage anyone from doing this(bbbj).

can you get diseases from this practice? yes you can. however aids is almost unheard of. i know a lot of guys that have a got a lot of blow jobs from many different women(myself included) and the worst one of them got was gonerrea.

you don't have to be everyones gaudian angel. just think despite your anti bbbj crusade 1000's of people in this city alone are going to get an un covered blow job tonight and i'm pretty sure all 1000 of them will not get aids if any of them do.

to call someone stupid cause they did a sexual act you don't agree with for 220 bucks which you seem to think is a small amount, seems pretty self absorbed. not everyone can afford to live like a princess or has the looks you do so men will take care of you so you never have to worry about anything, all you have to do is have sex with them. trust me the world is much crueler to the many people you think of as stupid.

yeah its risky but it's 220 bucks for one hours worth of work. some people in the most dangerous professions in the world don't even make that per hour. i doubt a truck driver in iraq makes that for one hours worth of work. if i could get a job where i make 220 an hour and there was a slight risk to my health or life, you better believe i would do it.

While I don't want to stir the BBBJ pot here, I do want to side note that it isn't just an HIV/AIDS issue, the risks are minimal for that particular infection however there are plenty of other STI's that people need to familiarize themselves with regarding contraction through BBBJ. Male and female.

Sex is not just about HIV/AIDS.

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

The risks for bbbj are similar to daty, meiko, do you allow daty and if you do, do you charge more for it? Do you kiss? All an exchange of body fluids, btw.

I find it interesting that many of the girls who allow clients to eat them out, and offer that extra sight unseen, won't touch that same clients bare cock with a 10 foot pole.

Then there are the clients who are so opposed to a girl offering bbbj that they strike her off their to do list, meanwhile, they have tasted every pussy from here to eternity.

Just a bit hypocritical?

This all reminds me of the massage parlours, the greater the risk (activity), the bigger the tip. Traditionally, escorts use a flat rate system and don't usually charge more for extras, while in the MP's, the services increase directly proportional to tip requested.

The risks are not the same. Please check your PM box.

 

[expo joe]

As noted by smackyo:

yeah its risky but it's 220 bucks for one hours worth of work. some people in the most dangerous professions in the world don't even make that per hour. i doubt a truck driver in iraq makes that for one hours worth of work. if i could get a job where i make 220 an hour and there was a slight risk to my health or life, you better believe i would do it.

Interestingly, at least to myself, I recently spoke to a friend with a relative in the US who just got hired by Haliburton to go to Iraq to drive/ manage truck drivers/ logistics for $200/ hr. So.... I guess smackyo is dead on in his analogy. With all the kidnappings, suicide bombers, mines and rebel terrorists, I guess the health risks are higher in Iraq and thats without any sexual contact

Be Happy! Cheers, Expo

 

[georgebushmoron]

Everyone agrees that issue has been beaten to death, so let's stop arguing about the relative risks, who's at risks, who's right, who's wrong, silly comparisons to car accidents, etc. There are not going to be any significant (if any) conversions to the other side of the debate because no one is particularly interested in listening to the other side.

What I find astounding is the level of acrimony presented by pooners against Meiko (or other SPs) who express their opinions on the safety of such activities. It's as though the pooners' very right to access to such activities is being endangered by one woman's opinion. Just because she would rather not be doing this, and just because she would rather other girls not be pressured into providing such services, is not going to impact the decision of other SPs. There will always be those who will provide those services for love of money, for drugs, for lack of self worth, for lack of self control, for lust, etc. There is no need get angry at Meiko and other SPs who have the right to express their own opinion about their discomfort level about the real health risks to them. It's ridiculous to see how emotional you guys are getting at the mere thought that your access to bbbjs is threatened. Don't you have more important things to get upset about?

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

Everyone agrees that issue has been beaten to death, so let's stop arguing about the relative risks, who's at risks, who's right, who's wrong, silly comparisons to car accidents, etc. There are not going to be any significant (if any) conversions to the other side of the debate because no one is particularly interested in listening to the other side.

What I find astounding is the level of acrimony presented by pooners against Meiko (or other SPs) who express their opinions on the safety of such activities. It's as though the pooners' very right to access to such activities is being endangered by one woman's opinion. Just because she would rather not be doing this, and just because she would rather other girls not be pressured into providing such services, is not going to impact the decision of other SPs. There will always be those who will provide those services for love of money, for drugs, for lack of self worth, for lack of self control, for lust, etc. There is no need get angry at Meiko and other SPs who have the right to express their own opinion about their discomfort level about the real health risks to them. It's ridiculous to see how emotional you guys are getting at the mere thought that your access to bbbjs is threatened. Don't you have more important things to get upset about?

Thank you, GBM.

After realizing that Meiko is retired, her opinions are and should not be considered any different from what most of the members on this board have done before her, expressed their opinions. Also, with her not being in this business and with no chance of returning, she voiced her opinions without an opportunity of committing business suicide.

Now, after what I've said, I don't believe the SPs offering such risky activities "stupid" but rather misinformed and misguided. I'm gonna go out on the limb here and say that saliva kills most infections. If one can DFK with little or no risk of contraction then in theory it would kill the gonorreah, chlamydia and other STIs that can be contracted through skin to skin contact with no physical symptoms from the carrier, but unfortunately that is not the case at all. No one knows why one activity is any more safer than the other as far as saliva is concerned. The human body will remain a mystery in that respect. Also, more money has nothing to do with preventing the contraction or exposure of an STI.

Before any one can dispute the link I've provided in so many threads keep in mind that the chart was created by health care professionals in the sexual field in San Francisco, yes SF. Now the health care pros in this particular field are going to be no different than the health care pros here or anywhere in the world. Physiologically, we're all built the same, divided only by a chromosome, how we get a disease or infection in one place is not different in another country. Sex is done the same way, regardless of orientation, everywhere since the dawn of time. No one has room to argue otherwise.

http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/sfcityclinic/stdbasics/stdchart.asp

 

[FuZzYknUckLeS]

...how we get a disease or infection in one place is not different in another country. Sex is done the same way, regardless of orientation, everywhere since the dawn of time.

Didn't HIV start from some dude fuckin' a monkey in Africa?

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

Didn't HIV start from some dude fuckin' a monkey in Africa?

I don't fuckin' know, everyone has a story last I checked it and this is in no means to be taken seriously but with all the crap surrounding "Patient Zero" and the racial, sexual, and social stereotypes that erupted from it was a Black gay African hairdresser. What the fuck!!!

 

[expo joe]

After realizing that Meiko is retired, her opinions are and should not be considered any different from what most of the members on this board have done before her, expressed their opinions. Also, with her not being in this business and with no chance of returning, she voiced her opinions without an opportunity of committing business suicide.

Meiko is NOT retired, see her own quote. She is definitely not in an objective position to be judging....

For time being I like the arrangement of seeing a very few regulars only for my and their best interest.

We all understand the risks and issues associated with unprotected sex of any kind. Preaching self righteous attitude is not going to change anyone. Behaviour is set. I firmly believe that "If you cannot stand the heat, get out of the kitchen" or do not start pointing fingers and come across abrasively by calling other SP's in the industry stupid. Are you really in the position to be judging others? This is why some perberts have reacted in an equally abrasive fashion. Basically, we're all in the same boat... just some of us are buying and some of us are selling sex. No one is better and certainly no one should be judgemental.

One other point on GBM's point:

There will always be those who will provide those services for love of money, for drugs, for lack of self worth, for lack of self control, for lust, etc.

The physchological/behavioural merits of this statement can apply equally to anyone who offers sex for money or buys sex, not just SP's who offer riskier services.

Having added this $0.02, Merry Christmas

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

I have a reputation for being a good escort and still get tons of messages from my former clients who want me to work again. For time being I like the arrangement of seeing a very few regulars only for my and their best interest.

This means she is not advertising for any more business. The few clients she has kept are already well versed on her services and expectations on her sessions. There is no chance for her to lose any business and/or potential clients so my stating that she has retired applies.

 

[NORMNORM]

I don't fuckin' know, everyone has a story last I checked it and this is in no means to be taken seriously but with all the crap surrounding "Patient Zero" and the racial, sexual, and social stereotypes that erupted from it was a Black gay African hairdresser. What the fuck!!!

LOL......You kill me Stephanie.....Now that's a reply!!...LOL

Norm

 

[expo joe]

This means she is not advertising for any more business. The few clients she has kept are already well versed on her services and expectations on her sessions. There is no chance for her to lose any business and/or potential clients so my stating that she has retired applies.

CLM, you have a very interesting definition of RETIRED. In this case, I know of a fair number of "RETIRED" escorts who only see regulars. Maybe next time, I'll ask them to do it for FREE as defined under your terms. Thinking about it and seeing that I only visit my regular "RETIRED" escorts, that makes me retired from pooning as well. One more point, that means I should take a self righteous stance and judge other SP's and pooners for offering/ partaking in "Risky" services/ behaviour.

FYI, for most uninformed perberts like me out in perbert land, I think RETIRED means not selling sex for $$$$ anymore in the case of a SP and not buying sex in the case of a pooner or ex-pooner.

 

[smackyo]

As noted by smackyo:

Interestingly, at least to myself, I recently spoke to a friend with a relative in the US who just got hired by Haliburton to go to Iraq to drive/ manage truck drivers/ logistics for $200/ hr. So.... I guess smackyo is dead on in his analogy. With all the kidnappings, suicide bombers, mines and rebel terrorists, I guess the health risks are higher in Iraq and thats without any sexual contact

Be Happy! Cheers, Expo

lol, now doesn't that just put everything into perspective ladies????? what a mind fuck that is.

 

[FuZzYknUckLeS]

Is this an escort review board or a walk-in clinic?

Why yes! It's all that!
And so much more!

...and less...

 

[shak]

Also, with her not being in this business and with no chance of returning, she voiced her opinions without an opportunity of committing business suicide.

Now, after what I've said, I don't believe the SPs offering such risky activities "stupid" but rather misinformed and misguided.

CLM, I agree with you this time.

I firmly believe that "If you cannot stand the heat, get out of the kitchen" or do not start pointing fingers and come across abrasively by calling other SP's in the industry stupid. Are you really in the position to be judging others? This is why some perberts have reacted in an equally abrasive fashion. Basically, we're all in the same boat... just some of us are buying and some of us are selling sex. No one is better and certainly no one should be judgemental.

Expo Joe, I agree with you on this one. Especially, she is semi-retired, whats the point of coming back and calling other SPs stupid.....

I think there is a little bit of misunderstanding here, people are not trying to say that BBBJ is safe and its something that pooner shouldnt worry about(at least i am not saying this is the case).However; it is VERY disrespectful for one SP to call another one for providing a service for so little money. Just imagine how that lady would feel if she reads this board? Just imagine how one SP would feel if I tell her right in the face "you must be pretty stupid to be a escort for so little money!!" ?

As far as the retired issue, I think if she still providing service for $$$ then she is still an escort.... but thats just me, you dont have to agree with me

 

[shak]

Shak, just because I didn't want to tell you how much money I make...you don't have to knock me down this low.

If you want to play dirty...I have nothing to lose, go a head...I still have the copy from our chat...please give me a break here.

I am not interested in however much you make, thats your hard earned money. I am perfectly comfortable with my financial status. I was exploring the idea of hiring a mistress and you happened to be talking about how you are semi-retired. You were saying that few prominent gentlemen in victoria pays for your condo,car, and a saving account. The rule is that you can not see anyone else. Therefore;I was curious about how much you are paid and how many times you see them in a month. I did not harrass you or said anything threatening. I was not the only one in the chatroom at the time, so if i am lying its not hard to rat me out. Feel free to post the chat history since I dont have anything to hide.

I am not trying to knock you down low, if you re-read my posts, you can see that I never make any personal attack on you. I simply pointed out that it is not fair to call other SPs stupid because they provide service you dont. If you are offended by that, I apologize. However; I do believe that respect is one of the fundemental principle on PERB. For instance, CLM and I were involved in countless heated debate about BBBJ. Eventhough she is totally against the idea of BBBJ, if I remember correctly she never call other SP who provide BBBJ stupid. You may argue that CLM is not able to speak freely because she is still in the business. However; if you take sometime and look into her previous posts, it is not difficult to see that she takes her stance firmly even in heated debates. The argument of BBBJ always comes down to personal tolerance level and choices. I give her respect for that.

I am not playing dirty, everything is on the table. In addition, I am not trying to change your opinion on BBBJ. Obviously, you have nothing to lose nor do i have anything to gain. Nevertheless, I dont think we will ever comes to an agreement anyway. You feel that SPs who provide BBBJ for little money($220) are stupid. I feel that it is not fair to call other SP stupid because they provide services you are not comfortable providing, especially this is an escort review board and given that you work in the business. Lets just leave it at this, if you still think that I am knocking you down or playing dirty, I have nothing else to say. Let the reader be their own judge.

 

[farbinger]

the last word

I think Meiko should heed the words of Oscar Wilde: "Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much."