Is the China stock and real estate markert going to fall?

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Any international investors out there involved or follow what is happening in China? The housing market and stock market is where the USA was back in the 90s roaring!! So if know anything about history anytime you see people borrowing money to flip houses and stock its time to short the market ( make money when assets fall).

Who has the guts to short China stocks if its possible?
 

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Any international investors out there involved or follow what is happening in China? The housing market and stock market is where the USA was back in the 90s roaring!! So if know anything about history anytime you see people borrowing money to flip houses and stock its time to short the market ( make money when assets fall).

Who has the guts to short China stocks if its possible?
While it is possible to short the American Housing market because many builders, holding companies and lenders are publicly traded, it's not possible to short the Chinese Housing Market. The Chinese Government grants concessions to companies for the land they need, the company doesn't really have title to the land.

China has big plans and is going to perform strongly for at least the next 10 years. Their biggest problem is a lack of energy resources. There is a huge market for alternative energy solutions for local projects.

The biggest thing against investing in China is that they have no respect for intellectual property. Once a company introduces something, it is copied without renumeration. This will hold China back a bit on high technology solutions.
 

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Market in China is vary political. What ever you learn from Economic 101 doesn't apply there.
I don't think the Chinese Gov't want to see riot and blood all over China before the game next year.
 

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How high is too high?

In term of market cap, it is not cheap at current level (4150 or so). The market cap/GDP ratio is more than 150% right now, far abv those of the developed countries. H'ever, price is always piled up by money. While smart money keeps flowing, the crazy game shall go on 2. We can only expect it shall collapse eventually, but evEEEEEEEEEEEEEEntually is not a short word.
 

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When it falls it will be just like how the Nasdaq crashed in 2000, you know its coming but how to time it and do it is the question.
 

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When America stops buying all the shit China makes , because they are tightening the purse strings at home and not buying , what do you think will happen to China companies and business?
not rocket science !!!
well...be careful what you wish for..if China goes down, Canada will come a crashing down since China is now the world's #1 buyer of all these commodities and natural resources.

Commodities bubble crashes..c'ya Canadian dollar at par...hello 1.25 to 1.30 exchange rate again
 

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well...be careful what you wish for..if China goes down, Canada will come a crashing down since China is now the world's #1 buyer of all these commodities and natural resources.

Commodities bubble crashes..c'ya Canadian dollar at par...hello 1.25 to 1.30 exchange rate again
Canada will have its ups and downs but keep in mind that we are a nation full of natural resources. The countries that have the natural resources will always have a bright future, even more so as the world's population increases. Canada overall has very little to be concerned about, and that goes for all nations that have the natural resources. It doesn't mean they won't have their bumps along the way, but their future is brighter than most.
 

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Exploitation of natural resources takes 3 things. (simplified version)

1. Capital Investment

2. Regulatory Approval

3. A market that can afford to pay after costs of Exploration, Extraction, Refining, Transportation, Repayment, Profit and Taxation establish the minimum price.

Let's take them in order:

Capital Investment
An investment in natural resource exploitation must always return enough to make the investment more attractive than simply leaving the money in the bank or in an alternative investment.

Regulatory Approval
It must be possible to exploit the resource. We know there is oil off the coast of BC, we aren't going to even be able to explore for it in the near future. The same goes for exploiting mineral resources.

We also have to recognize the effect of NAFTA. In BC, we have already been burned by our customers in the US deciding that they won't pay us for electricity that we had already delivered. NAFTA says that we must continue to deliver the same amount of electricity, despite the fact that they refused to pay for 300 Million dollars of it and have set prices that don't return enough profit to cover replacement of aging infrastructure.

If, we were to be stupid enough to sell water to them, they would apply the same rules to the water sales.

A market
The nearest market is not going to be able to afford many of the resources we know we have.

Many of the resources we have in BC don't even have a viable transportation system to allow the resource to be delivered to market. There is a worldwide credit crunch coming and lending to extract resources that can't be sold profitably is not going to be happening. Nevermind that the world has less money now than it did before the subprime crisis could no longer be ignored. I know that the money was imaginary, but the banks still have to write it off.

Then, we have the effect of US protectionism. If you think what happened to our Lumber Industry over the past 2 decades has been bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.



Canada will have its ups and downs but keep in mind that we are a nation full of natural resources. The countries that have the natural resources will always have a bright future, even more so as the world's population increases. Canada overall has very little to be concerned about, and that goes for all nations that have the natural resources. It doesn't mean they won't have their bumps along the way, but their future is brighter than most.
 
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