I'm ashamed of Edmonton boys ...

[Annalise Lane]

Well Saraphina has gone home, changed her flight and left this morning. While Im sure some of you wouldn't see her just because she wasn't your type, so no big deal. Some had to cancel your visit because of life getting in the way of ' fun ' which is normal.

BUT .............................. There where a few that tried to get half prices deals. Others that shorted her in donation, and some even wanted this or that when it came to her rate. Oh and one which is a HUGE kicker .... got TONS of time and still shorter her.... what is an over night worth ? Fuckin bull shit.

Now before you all say this is none of my business - YOUR right it's not !! However, she is a friend of mine and so it is my business. She's not going to say anything because she is to much of a lady.

You all complain about indy's in Edmonton and how there aren't that many here, yet when the travelling ladies come - YOU boys treat them like this ?? YOU have to be kidding me.

If you want to pay 180 or half price go to an MP.

Lets put it in perpective.

Flight costs, hotel costs, food costs. Before any profit is made travelling ladies need to make these fees.

All I am asking for is a little respect for the ladies who come here to give you gentleman veriety.

I'm ashamed to call Edmonton home today.

 

[Sexy BBW]

Well Saraphina has gone home, changed her flight and left this morning. While Im sure some of you wouldn't see her just because she wasn't your type, so no big deal. Some had to cancel your visit because of life getting in the way of ' fun ' which is normal.

BUT .............................. There where a few that tried to get half prices deals. Others that shorted her in donation, and some even wanted this or that when it came to her rate. Oh and one which is a HUGE kicker .... got TONS of time and still shorter her.... what is an over night worth ? Fuckin bull shit.

Now before you all say this is none of my business - YOUR right it's not !! However, she is a friend of mine and so it is my business. She's not going to say anything because she is to much of a lady.

You all complain about indy's in Edmonton and how there aren't that many here, yet when the travelling ladies come - YOU boys treat them like this ?? YOU have to be kidding me.

If you want to pay 180 or half price go to an MP.

Lets put it in perpective.

Flight costs, hotel costs, food costs. Before any profit is made travelling ladies need to make these fees.

All I am asking for is a little respect for the ladies who come here to give you gentleman veriety.

I'm ashamed to call Edmonton home today.

That just makes me sick really, but karma is a bitch and will come to bite them in the ass when they least expect it. I hope you remember whom she dealt with, so that they wont be seen in the future

 

[Annalise Lane]

That just makes me sick really, but karma is a bitch and will come to bite them in the ass when they least expect it. I hope you remember whom she dealt with, so that they wont be seen in the future

Sorry Sexy that I'm not going to do, out the names ............ BUT it's changed how I view them.

 

[Sexy BBW]

Sorry Sexy that I'm not going to do, out the names ............ BUT it's changed how I view them.

I dont mean to out the names in public but so you and others dont get burned in the future

 

[Sexy BBW]

This is why getting the cash up front is so important, AB is the only place you pay ater the deed and this is what happens. I feel bad for AB girls.

I ask for donation upon arrival, (nicely ofcourse)

 

[Pleaser]

It is a shame!!

I just thought I would give my 2 cents. The independent market in Edmonton is horrible. I have been ripped off with incredibly poor service in the past as well as much higher rates then the massage parlours with less then a quarter of the servise and attention. I truly feel sorry for Sapphire if she did get ripped off which is not right on the the part of the guy.

For myself I will stick to the massage parlors as they always provide a good environment and an excellent assortment of ladies that provide top notch service.

My 2 cents are stick to massage parlors. Just my thoughts.

Pleaser

 

[Jerrick1317]

It's NOT a shame

Annalise suggested that we should "put it in perspective". Well, the perspective is, the sex industry in North America is under-developed and over-priced. Anywhere in sex-civilized countries - Germany or Holland being good examples, all prostituiton-related and sex-related business is legal, much more open, and offers much more variety.
Take the all-inclusive PartyTreff clubs - you pay one entry fee of ~$150-200, then all sex is at no extra cost - you can spend 12 hours there and have sex 20 times if you manage, at absolutely no additional cost. With food and drinks included. See this link if you want more info: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/printthread.php?t=1101&page=46&pp=15 .
Surely, there are high-priced providers in Germany, too, but at least there are budget-friendly options, without suffering on quality.
And as you may know, living costs in Germany are much higher than in Canada.
Because options for sex-for-money are so limited here, prices are being hiked at every opportunity. $300/hour in an MP is totally ridiculous, yet some people on that board admit to having paid that much, without even complaining!
Now, regarding the behaviour of Edmonton boys with respect to Annalise's friend - sex-for-money is no different from any other business, especially from the SP point of view. So for her to get upset because somebody wanted to bargain is inappropriate. Some people will pay more money, some will pay less. That's business. If she cries, let her go home.
Jerrick

 

[CARGO1]

This is why getting the cash up front is so important, AB is the only place you pay ater the deed and this is what happens. I feel bad for AB girls.

Where did you get that tidbit of information?, Sp's here(Calgary) request payment up front just like they do every where else I have pooned. It is just plain sloppy business to go into a strange town and provide a service with out payment up front, no matter what the business is. And further to my last comment, Most Sp's will request the cash in a subtle way and the once they recieve it they will discreetly leave the room to go count it.

Now I do not agree with what may have happened in Edmonton but to have it happen more then once would indicate to me that the someone did not take the nescessary steps to protect themselves.


Just my .02

Cargo

 

[Annalise Lane]

I want everyone to know and understand that Saraphina has not told me who anyone is. She has kept all names confidental.

Please dont pm me asking me who it was, I dont know nor do I care to.

 

[Annalise Lane]

Annalise suggested that we should "put it in perspective". Well, the perspective is, the sex industry in North America is under-developed and over-priced. Anywhere in sex-civilized countries - Germany or Holland being good examples, all prostituiton-related and sex-related business is legal, much more open, and offers much more variety.
Take the all-inclusive PartyTreff clubs - you pay one entry fee of ~$150-200, then all sex is at no extra cost - you can spend 12 hours there and have sex 20 times if you manage, at absolutely no additional cost. With food and drinks included. See this link if you want more info: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/printthread.php?t=1101&page=46&pp=15 .
Surely, there are high-priced providers in Germany, too, but at least there are budget-friendly options, without suffering on quality.
And as you may know, living costs in Germany are much higher than in Canada.
Because options for sex-for-money are so limited here, prices are being hiked at every opportunity. $300/hour in an MP is totally ridiculous, yet some people on that board admit to having paid that much, without even complaining!
Now, regarding the behaviour of Edmonton boys with respect to Annalise's friend - sex-for-money is no different from any other business, especially from the SP point of view. So for her to get upset because somebody wanted to bargain is inappropriate. Some people will pay more money, some will pay less. That's business. If she cries, let her go home.
Jerrick

I am not going to speak for Saraphina more then I already have, you will have direct your question to her. Although, she did mention in hide sight she should have communicated better in some of the situations.

But lets say I'm the one putting a rant out not her. She in no way asked me to do this, I only hope that she is not upset with me.

As for the Germany comments, might I suggest to you Sir, that you start your own club with this type of theme, sounds like a good idea.

 

[WickedWeasel]

Surely, there are high-priced providers in Germany, too, but at least there are budget-friendly options, without suffering on quality.
And as you may know, living costs in Germany are much higher than in Canada.

Unfortunately this comes down to simple supply-and-demand: when a girl can work a double-shift in this town and see 12 or 13 guys in a row, each willing to pay $200-$300 a pop, there's no incentive to offer lower priced services 'cuz the demand is so high. Edmonton's booming right now and there's apparently a short supply of quality providers since the good ones are constantly busy, thus the problem...

So for her to get upset because somebody wanted to bargain is inappropriate. Some people will pay more money, some will pay less. That's business. If she cries, let her go home.

Depends: normally with haggling you decide on a price before receiving your item/service, you don't agree to one price then change your mind afterwards. From what Annalise said, Saraphina "got shorted" implying guys didn't pay what had been agreed upon, in which case she's got a right to be angry.

 

[Jerrick1317]

Starting a PartyTreff Club in Alberta?

As for the Germany comments, might I suggest to you Sir, that you start your own club with this type of theme, sounds like a good idea.

Despite your irony, I agree - it would be a great idea. As you well know, however, you can not legally offer incall sex-for-money in Alberta. It has to be masked up with an MP label or something similar.
There are some swing clubs that offer parties with orgies similar to PartyTreff clubs, but - as in any swing club - there is no money exchanged and so the relationship is not a client-provider one. In other words, an average Joe needs to go in and "get lucky". While it can be fun, it does not appeal to an average client who would rather not be hoping for "getting lucky" but pay and get serviced.
I talked to a few friends who are MP's (Members of Parliament in this case in our government - and the idea of relaxing the sex laws is unfortunately as distant to them as letting us drive with reasonable speeds (i.e. no speed limits on expressways - like in Germany again . So... if you know of a feasible way to start a club like this here in Edmonton - I would be happy to work for it.
Jerrick

 

[Jerrick1317]

Agreed

Depends: normally with haggling you decide on a price before receiving your item/service, you don't agree to one price then change your mind afterwards. From what Annalise said, Saraphina "got shorted" implying guys didn't pay what had been agreed upon, in which case she's got a right to be angry.

Of course, like in any business transaction - I'm not in favour of cheating on once-agreed terms; that's totally counter-productive, will likely decrease the service quality, provoke reverse cheating by SP's on clients, etc.
I am not trying to make it all just business-like, we all enjoy the GFE and all that stuff - but we know well that 99% of SP's are in it for money.

 

[Teal]

50-50

What a shame she had to go through that. I was blessed when I went and had nothing but perfect gentlemen, and all treated me fairly and respectfully. I hope to return soon.
As for the price war being discussed. You are paying for our time. Period. If you go to work, work overtime or asked to work extra then are told 'so sad to bad you wont be paid' would it be just as fair? Someone paying for an allotted time, then trying to get away with more is insulting and dishonest, as it would be in any other business.
Fortunately, and I thank my lucky stars,. I have only had that problem a couple of times. But it sure teaches a lesson.
I also have always asked for donations up front. It is out of the way, forgotten and a good time had by all.
The rare times I allowed them to pay later, I got cheated or totally ripped off. It doesnt take long to learn, and ask first after that.

just my 2cents... thanks everyone..

Teal

 

[Annalise Lane]

What a shame she had to go through that. I was blessed when I went and had nothing but perfect gentlemen, and all treated me fairly and respectfully. I hope to return soon.
As for the price war being discussed. You are paying for our time. Period. If you go to work, work overtime or asked to work extra then are told 'so sad to bad you wont be paid' would it be just as fair? Someone paying for an allotted time, then trying to get away with more is insulting and dishonest, as it would be in any other business.
Fortunately, and I thank my lucky stars,. I have only had that problem a couple of times. But it sure teaches a lesson.
I also have always asked for donations up front. It is out of the way, forgotten and a good time had by all.
The rare times I allowed them to pay later, I got cheated or totally ripped off. It doesnt take long to learn, and ask first after that.

just my 2cents... thanks everyone..

Teal

I'm really glad to hear that Edmonton gentleman showed you a good time ... Calgary has always been good to travelling ladies so its' nice to know it goes both ways.

As for Saraphina having a hard time here, I think there was a few miscommunications and a few gentleman who thought they could sneak in a get a better rate for time served.

btw Teal I thought you where here this week ?

 

[Annalise Lane]

Of course, like in any business transaction - I'm not in favour of cheating on once-agreed terms; that's totally counter-productive, will likely decrease the service quality, provoke reverse cheating by SP's on clients, etc.
I am not trying to make it all just business-like, we all enjoy the GFE and all that stuff - but we know well that 99% of SP's are in it for money.

Well if you are not looking to make a lot of money but to cover your lease and over head it is very possible to get something like this going. Like with anything there is risk - sometimes you just gotta take the plunge.

GO Jerrick Go Jerrick ...

 

[Saraphina]

Well considering this thread has a lot to do with me...

I guess I should throw my 2 cents in.

First off I want to say Thank you Annalise for starting this thread. When I first saw it I was a bit uneasy. However I have recieved some appologies and this thread has clearly enlightened some gentlemen that behaviours like this aren't cool.

There were a few attempts by gents to get discounts, some bold, some sly. Which definately led to a huge level of frustration on my part.

As to the 1 circumstance that I was shorted it was a very unusual circumstance, with very unusual events leading up to the session. Although this particular gentleman knew my rates very well, there was no communication ad to how long the session was going to be or what the rates would be for that session. I let the gentleman take the lead in directing the session which turned into what I would call a short overnighter. All I can say was that I was shocked come morning at my renumeration for the evening. I extended my trust in this circumstance for a variety of reasons. I concider myself a fairly seasoned SP who generally does not take such risks with the donations. Due to certain factors, the risk seemed small. I can not share with you all the details of why I chose to take this risk, but it's my opinion that almost any other SP who was in my shoes that night, with the series of events, and the certain factors that would minimize the risk in your head, would have found themselves in a very similar position. After all was said and done, all I could do was kick myself. I have to take accountability for the fact there was no express discussion about the time or fee for that particular evening. Although I do not feel like I was renumerated appropriately for my time, I have no intent of getting up this gentleman's ass. I will accept the fee that was given, and write it off as a miscommunication.

Now I cannot say my tour was unsuccessful so I don't agree so much challenge to the prices in this thread. In fact, the tour as initially advertised turned out to be quite prosperous and I had further opportunities in the days to come. It was only out of becoming completely frustrated with what I was encountering and some other stressful events in my personal life, that I chose to come home. By last night I was completely emotional exhausted and had nothing good left to give to anyone who would see me in the days to come. And I was definately not up for more craziness. However if you gents who are hung up on prices in this thread want to start a business similar to what you have seen worldwide with similar prices, I wish you the best with your business endeavors.


I should actually take this opportunity to appologize to the fellas who were perfect gentlemen in their visits. Due to my frustration I was probably a bit cranky so I am very sorry for not being 100% .

 

[wannabe]

I'm not sure I agree......

There are many indys that come into this town and leave very happy, could there be reasons we are not aware of for her unsuccessful visit?

We are often told not to condem a whole mp because of one bad apple yet you condem a whole city!

You say it's none of your business and then say it is your business, hmmm.

I wonder how badly a guy would get beat if he spoke as you have and I wonder how badly I am going to get beat when I say I am offended that you have lumped us all together!!!

Sorry for her luck!

 

[Annalise Lane]

There are many indys that come into this town and leave very happy, could there be reasons we are not aware of for her unsuccessful visit?

We are often told not to condem a whole mp because of one bad apple yet you condem a whole city!

You say it's none of your business and then say it is your business, hmmm.

I wonder how badly a guy would get beat if he spoke as you have and I wonder how badly I am going to get beat when I say I am offended that you have lumped us all together!!!

Sorry for her luck!

Yes I lumped all of Edmonton gents into one pile of poop, maybe not an appropriate response.

Yes I said it was none of my business, but I went ahead anyway. Somewhere in my pea head I think I should speak up for the unspoken. If you have noticed over the time I've been here if I consider a lady one of my friends I will back her up. Is it right, maybe not, I know they have voices and I have been told in the past I shouldn't have done it.

Have I learned from being a Momma hen ... NOPE and I'm not planning to learn... I will speak up as I see fit and take the lumps from the gals who I do this for. But take the lumps from gents NOT a chance !!

Do I apologies for what I've said - NOT a chance. Have I over stepped - that is between Saraphina and I NO one else... I absolutely love her and will protect her - does she need protecting ... probably not ... but I am the Momma hen after all.

As Saraphina has said in her response to this thread, miscommunication happened, and yes that does happen. Did I lump all Edmonton gents, yes but as she pointed out not all where like this, so for that I apologize.

 

[Steve Ray]

I do not use escorts in Edmonton since they are too expensive. The city of champions has some of the best ladies in the world working at mp’s. So there is really no need to use girls coming from out of town.