has anyone seen CL Desiree?
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I am not against any security, and made that obvious. My posts were more to the fact of the actual security - as in how security is handled. Are these truly professionals or just big dudes. There is for the most part very limited “professional” security in terms of training and experience. Most security involves inexperienced individuals working for the most part as bodies. This is true in many security related fields outside of this profession. I suppose that’s why I appear somewhat of a skeptic.
Moi actually discusses some of the steps in client protection and I appreciate the openness. It is nice they do prescreening and initiate measures to identify possible threats.
The fact is, if fees are going to be passed on to clients for “professional” security I would hope that indeed the security is in fact professional security and not just a glorified cab driver.
Also for the record Moi I’m not familiar with the case you discussed but any act of violence is a tragedy.
Moi actually discusses some of the steps in client protection and I appreciate the openness. It is nice they do prescreening and initiate measures to identify possible threats.
The fact is, if fees are going to be passed on to clients for “professional” security I would hope that indeed the security is in fact professional security and not just a glorified cab driver.
Also for the record Moi I’m not familiar with the case you discussed but any act of violence is a tragedy.
Blackjack,
So what your saying is the next time you call an escort you would like the driver to provide a resume of security credentials so you don't feel like your getting ripped off for paying for some big guy to stand outside? LOL
So what your saying is the next time you call an escort you would like the driver to provide a resume of security credentials so you don't feel like your getting ripped off for paying for some big guy to stand outside? LOL
Misha,
Where did you draw that out from? I asked some basic questions about the security and the basis for the fee increases, and was provided with the response about professional security.
1. I never questioned the need for security but merely was curious as to the professional standards and the actual ability for any security to effectively deal with threat responses.
2. I didn’t ask for a resume, but at the same time outside of Moi, no one has actually mentioned what security protocols are established. Don’t give me this “hidden” bullshit, as most protocols can be generalized, without revealing the coveted “can’t reveal due to top secret clearance” response.
3. It is pretty recognized that the industry generally has used drivers with limited or if any training with respect to law, security, powers of arrest, of other threat response initiatives. However, if this campany is expanding on making better security, then good for them and their clients.
Again my reason for asking any of this is because if the higher fees were based on a need for greater professional security and that was the justification, then I was curious as to what sort of security was being provided or if in fact it was just a lame excuse.
Again, no one wants any violence to come to anyone, however that being said having less than professional services also can lead false comfort, or other problems.
Sorry for being a skeptic, because this industry is so full of honest people.
Where did you draw that out from? I asked some basic questions about the security and the basis for the fee increases, and was provided with the response about professional security.
1. I never questioned the need for security but merely was curious as to the professional standards and the actual ability for any security to effectively deal with threat responses.
2. I didn’t ask for a resume, but at the same time outside of Moi, no one has actually mentioned what security protocols are established. Don’t give me this “hidden” bullshit, as most protocols can be generalized, without revealing the coveted “can’t reveal due to top secret clearance” response.
3. It is pretty recognized that the industry generally has used drivers with limited or if any training with respect to law, security, powers of arrest, of other threat response initiatives. However, if this campany is expanding on making better security, then good for them and their clients.
Again my reason for asking any of this is because if the higher fees were based on a need for greater professional security and that was the justification, then I was curious as to what sort of security was being provided or if in fact it was just a lame excuse.
Again, no one wants any violence to come to anyone, however that being said having less than professional services also can lead false comfort, or other problems.
Sorry for being a skeptic, because this industry is so full of honest people.
First off, I thought your angle was that you feel these so-called "security" guys are ripping off the SP's..but in actuality you just don't want to be ripped off by a glorified cab driver as you'll have to carry the cost.
At the end of the day, the girls are entitled to do whatever it takes to feel safe, whether hiring a glorified cab driver or a "professional security driver". It's her choice to determine whether the driver is a fraud. If you don't want to pay for it, then don't use them simple as that.
And get real, imagine what REAL security (and we're not talking about former bouncers either) would cost? It's an hour of work but no professional is going to be sitting by phone and charge by the hour. There would need to be a retainer fee/contract involved. Even if they have a CSO or CPP designation, a vast majority working in full time security jobs already complain salary is the most pressing concern. Add in, business license, fees for designation, training and I assume it's alot more than the 100$ more you're paying per visit.
You sound somewhat intelligent but lack common sense. Maybe you're just looking to pick on someone?
Heck, I'm suprised you haven't heard about the incident a few months ago.
It only takes one time. Edmonton has gotten pretty shitty over the years with violence and crime and this isn't exactly a safe job.
At the end of the day, the girls are entitled to do whatever it takes to feel safe, whether hiring a glorified cab driver or a "professional security driver". It's her choice to determine whether the driver is a fraud. If you don't want to pay for it, then don't use them simple as that.
And get real, imagine what REAL security (and we're not talking about former bouncers either) would cost? It's an hour of work but no professional is going to be sitting by phone and charge by the hour. There would need to be a retainer fee/contract involved. Even if they have a CSO or CPP designation, a vast majority working in full time security jobs already complain salary is the most pressing concern. Add in, business license, fees for designation, training and I assume it's alot more than the 100$ more you're paying per visit.
You sound somewhat intelligent but lack common sense. Maybe you're just looking to pick on someone?
Heck, I'm suprised you haven't heard about the incident a few months ago.
It only takes one time. Edmonton has gotten pretty shitty over the years with violence and crime and this isn't exactly a safe job.
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that made me LOL
and yea...the drivers are given a chance. one was let go because he refused to go in and knock on the door after the girl didnt come out exactly on her time.
that company runs differently than most others in the fact of security etc. the owner is very hands on (NOT WHAT YOU ARE THINKING!!!) and active in the running of the agency. obviously not advertising in the Yellow Pages (it opened after this yr edition came out) they are doing it in various ways such as craigslist. the girls also advertise themselves so don't berate them for it!
That made me LOL
I can understand using the advertising thing but if you want to make your agency look just a smidgen above slimy, then simply shot some sophisticated photos. The whole camping chairs in the background make it look like cheesy and not the nice cheese that Julio's Taco stand uses.
The chairs on webcam are up to the girls and the professional glamour pictures you see are also their choice as well.
BTW, the owner of the marketing group supplying promotion and security, he is a great guy, IMHO........and he is not some guy named Vish.
Just to put that rumor to rest.
Hot Girls is 100% indpendent, all the gals are their own bosses.
And major drug free, or the owner doesn't have any involvement with them.
Marijuana is fine, but beyond that, not acceptable.
Sorry but I think security goes without saying. Yes true some people do have 'shady' drivers who they may in fact pay quite a bit to...or not...however even they themselves might not be aware that their driver is not qualified or is gonna take off to run an errand. None the less, these fees are being paid to the driver or agency regardless. I know that with some agencies if the 'call' doesn't go through, you may even have to pay the driver out of your own pocket...something to think about when u send a gal away without the driver fee at the very least. Not only that, some agencies have receptionist that have to be paid on top of that. Don't ask me why it works the way it does, but in the end, its you men that end up having to pay for all those expenses unfortunately. Sorry guys...
Jim hit the nail on the head.
First CL has had many issues associated with the honesty of many of the profiles. Additionally, the webcam/ chairs type of situation had many people wondering if this indeed was another scam. Coupled with the extra charges for beefed up security. I suppose that’s why asked about where the extra charges were going to.
For the record, you can say that the extra fees are going to any number of things – such as proper health care for the girls, daycare, who knows. In the end there is going to be no way to actually verify any of this, and you have to just trust the company and the girl.
I think if they initiated all these steps for security, the company should also take the necessary marketing steps so that they don’t appear to look like a scam. Again I’m not saying they are, but the way many of the ads are set up , it had many people wondering.
If someone wants to throw down extra cash to ensure that girls are protected, then that’s entirely up to them.
The problem with getting into any discussion about this is that you automatically become labeled as someone who does not care about the safety of the girls, because that becomes the easiest thing to rant on.
First CL has had many issues associated with the honesty of many of the profiles. Additionally, the webcam/ chairs type of situation had many people wondering if this indeed was another scam. Coupled with the extra charges for beefed up security. I suppose that’s why asked about where the extra charges were going to.
For the record, you can say that the extra fees are going to any number of things – such as proper health care for the girls, daycare, who knows. In the end there is going to be no way to actually verify any of this, and you have to just trust the company and the girl.
I think if they initiated all these steps for security, the company should also take the necessary marketing steps so that they don’t appear to look like a scam. Again I’m not saying they are, but the way many of the ads are set up , it had many people wondering.
If someone wants to throw down extra cash to ensure that girls are protected, then that’s entirely up to them.
The problem with getting into any discussion about this is that you automatically become labeled as someone who does not care about the safety of the girls, because that becomes the easiest thing to rant on.
I agree Jim, but sometimes, even we don't understand the fees we have to pay as girls, lol to some of these agencies, believe me, I wonder sometimes why they charge the fees they do too, but all in all its up to them, ladies can take it or leave it I suppose. But try not to get to upset with the ladies, in one way or another its both parties who often get taken advantage of by the system, but I will admit some girls do scam men, its works both ways unfortunately I suppose.
I really don't mind what they charge. Nobody is forcing me to call them up and hopefully nobody is forcing the girls to work. I'd rather the girls get a bigger cut where possible especially if they are working outside the normal MP hours.
